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It's in this thread somewhere I think shortly after one of IF's two seasons, but it was said that Finn was usually given 15-60 minutes heads up and choreography practice for the action scenes. No matter what you wished was different in production, let's just remember they thought they could cover up lack of planning with rampant jumpcuts that don't match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nilq69M5u7s&t=46s
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I mean the fact magic karate man couldn't karate was a massive flaw, sure, but he was also an unlikable and incompetent moron. And that's straight up down to the writing. And other characters constantly dunk on him for it, so it's not even like it's unintentional. They literally made "We trained him wrong as a joke" their lead character.
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Oct 25, 2020 08:52
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I was pumped for iron fist cause I thought it was gonna be like a 70s kung fu thing. Instead around my place whenever anyone mentions Iron fist you have to say the full name: Danny rand, the iron fist, defender of kun lun. What a wasted premise.
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Oct 25, 2020 15:58
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I was super excited for the potential of Iron Fist until it was confirmed Scott Buck was the showrunner. After that the bar for my expectations went six feet under, so I was honestly pleasantly surprised by how much of Iron Fist did end up working. Shame it was none of the story around Danny himself.
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Oct 26, 2020 01:44
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He had his moments, and was improving in S2, but the bottom line is that Finn Jones was woefully miscast as Danny. I won't cap him too much on the martial arts stuff since that was clearly a failure on the production side to train him up but he's too aloof and too pretty to sell the "wandering philosopher / wisecracking man of the street" aspect of the character. He's supposed to be someone who can hang with Luke Cage, and, uhhh ... no.
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Oct 26, 2020 09:03
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Laterite posted:He had his moments, and was improving in S2, but the bottom line is that Finn Jones was woefully miscast as Danny. I liked him fine as Danny, most of my issues with the character was just the writing itself. But him not being a martial artist and the production expecting him to pull off all the fight choreo with p much no training and no rehearsal time really hosed it all over lmao
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Oct 26, 2020 09:19
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I dunno he was pretty bad at acting too. Like high school levels in places.
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Oct 26, 2020 13:33
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reminder they passed over scott adkins for the iron fist role
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Oct 26, 2020 14:36
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I was pumped for iron fist cause I thought it was gonna be like a 70s kung fu thing. Instead around my place whenever anyone mentions Iron fist you have to say the full name: Danny rand, the iron fist, defender of kun lun. I just referred to it as "Floor Punch" because that's how every conflict was eventually resolved
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Oct 26, 2020 17:38
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When the first season came out I kept track of every time he used the fist. I don't think he ever used it on a person till Luke Cage, and even there it was pretty useless in a fight.
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Oct 26, 2020 19:09
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As Nero Danced posted:When the first season came out I kept track of every time he used the fist. I don't think he ever used it on a person till Luke Cage, and even there it was pretty useless in a fight. I like that there's a text file on your computer labeled number of fistings
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Oct 26, 2020 19:25
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zer0spunk posted:I like that there's a text file on your computer labeled number of fistings Thanksgiving 2019: 4
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Oct 26, 2020 20:31
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Things Danny has used his magic powers on in the comic: Curing cancer, calming an angry mob, killing a train Things Danny used his magic powers on in the tv show: lol hand glow
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Oct 27, 2020 02:52
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Hey he healed someone once and he was surprised he did it. Truly the savior of k’un-lun.
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Oct 27, 2020 03:07
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Iron Fist ended on a cliffhanger that was more interesting than the full 2 seasons combined and then got cancelled lol.
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Oct 27, 2020 06:20
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There were two seasons of Iron Fist?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:There were two seasons of Iron Fist? Yeah, two seasons, like how you have two hands. Had a much better final boss compared to the first too.
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Oct 27, 2020 07:08
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Like that will always, always be the most baffling choice for me: Why in the name of unholy rear end did they think it was a compelling choice to make their lead character a petulant moron that doesn't even know how their own magic powers work?
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Mulva posted:Like that will always, always be the most baffling choice for me: Why in the name of unholy rear end did they think it was a compelling choice to make their lead character a petulant moron that doesn't even know how their own magic powers work? Because they were ashamed of making it full-on wuxia wire-fu. It was a martial arts show that didnt want to be a martial arts show.
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Oct 27, 2020 14:58
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They didn’t have the money or time for that. I don’t think that first season they noticed he was a dumb whiney baby but leaned into for defenders and the second season because what else were they gonna do?
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Oct 27, 2020 16:46
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Yeah IF reeked of the people in charge being deeply ashamed of what they were brought on to make and doing their level best to make it more personally palatable to themselves
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Oct 27, 2020 16:49
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They had plenty of money to make a kung fu movie. Maybe not a full on Wuxia extravaganza, but it's not that pricey to hire people who can do kung fu and then film them pretend fighting.
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Oct 27, 2020 16:56
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Scott Buck.jpg at least when he ruined Dexter it was comedy gold
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Oct 27, 2020 16:58
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Also I have no idea why I was meant to care about a bunch of rich kids complaining that their inherited company was being taken away from them.
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Oct 27, 2020 17:01
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I also loved the moment he said he punched a dragon and they never show us he did.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:They had plenty of money to make a kung fu movie. Maybe not a full on Wuxia extravaganza, but it's not that pricey to hire people who can do kung fu and then film them pretend fighting. You don't hire Scott Buck if you've got plenty of money or time. The only two things he's got going for him is that he delivers on schedule and on budget.
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Half serious question: could Scott Buck have done better or worse with the final season (or 2) of Game of Thrones? Honestly I can't decide.
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Invalid Validation posted:I also loved the moment he said he punched a dragon and they never show us he did. Yeah some flashbacks to his trial(trials?) that he did to become iron fist could have been super cool
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Oct 28, 2020 22:27
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As Nero Danced posted:Half serious question: could Scott Buck have done better or worse with the final season (or 2) of Game of Thrones? Honestly I can't decide. when drogon flies off with dany's body, it turns out she didn't die and she becomes a lumberjack
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would literally be a more enjoyable & fulfilling ending
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Scott Buck sucks, we could've had Terry Bogard as Iron Fist instead
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Norwegian Rudo posted:You don't hire Scott Buck if you've got plenty of money or time. The only two things he's got going for him is that he delivers on schedule and on budget. You are seriously overestimating how expensive karate guys and stuntmen are. The laughable CG in the show probably cost more than the entire stunt cast of the average 80s action movie.
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Lurdiak posted:You are seriously overestimating how expensive karate guys and stuntmen are. The laughable CG in the show probably cost more than the entire stunt cast of the average 80s action movie. In terms of fights I would say the limiting factor is for sure time. I know in things like Jackie Chan movies back in the 80's they would spend months on a single fight.
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Norwegian Rudo posted:In terms of fights I would say the limiting factor is for sure time. I know in things like Jackie Chan movies back in the 80's they would spend months on a single fight. Jackie Chan's whole thing was being a near-Chaplin level perfectionist so that's maybe not the best example, but yeah, time is the big problem when you're shooting fight scenes. And also it's very clear that, at least in season 1, nobody on the show had any experience filming or editing action sequences, because even the scenes where the performers clearly know how to kick and punch properly, it's not filmed in an exciting way and it's edited in a way that makes it hard to follow. Finn Jones may suck but he doesn't suck so bad that stepping aside while a trained martial artist kicks the air next to him should look that lovely and boring.
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Lurdiak posted:You are seriously overestimating how expensive karate guys and stuntmen are. The laughable CG in the show probably cost more than the entire stunt cast of the average 80s action movie. Everything I've heard about Iron Fist indicates that it was a disaster before Scott Buck came on board. They went through a bunch of showrunners and leads (does anyone remember when Ryan Phillipe was cast?), was briefly being retooled as a film, then went back to TV. I suspect the thing was ultimately made more out of contractual obligation. Hence Scott Buck.
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I mean you can make low-grade fight choreography work. Arrow did it all the time. They got so much mileage out of tense music and waving your bow around to block projectiles.
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It is sort of wild to think that a single season of any of the new Disney+ Marvel shows costs roughly the same as the original five shows across sixty episodes deal with Netflix.
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https://thedisinsider.com/2021/01/10/krysten-ritter-rumored-to-reprise-as-jessica-jones-in-she-hulk/ Rumors that Ritter might be back in she hulk. Near as I can tell disinsider is a reasonable rumor site, so hopefully that's true. Be nice to see more of the Netflix actors coming back in the new series
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SardonicTyrant posted:I mean you can make low-grade fight choreography work. Arrow did it all the time. They got so much mileage out of tense music and waving your bow around to block projectiles. Not everyone is Stephen Amell, and especially not Finn Jones, although I generally like Jones and have nothing against him. Pretend I posted one of the many salmon ladder gifs here
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Doctor Nutt posted:Not everyone is Stephen Amell, and especially not Finn Jones, although I generally like Jones and have nothing against him. Jones has been pretty good this season on Dickinson.
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