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STAC Goat posted:Love or hate the Arrowverse, I think it perfectly captures the idea of "doing comic book stuff on the small screen." Nah...you;re thinking of The Incredible Hulk TV show.
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Pound for pound, the Arrowverse shows have been more fun than the Netflix ones.
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May 23, 2018 01:41
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Delayed gratification isn't for some people. Even when told there is a payoff, they just don't have the attention span anymore. "gratification" and "payoff" are definitely stretching it.
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May 23, 2018 05:28
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah, the people who made
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LesterGroans posted:"gratification" and "payoff" are definitely stretching it. All goon posting is hyperbole.
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May 24, 2018 06:38
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Arist posted:nah counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAMbcFe4EqQ I actually love this dumb show. Maybe I'd like JJ more if it was this stupid!
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Currently watching Defenders after struggling through the last few episodes of lovely Iron Fist. The Hand are such a lovely group of villains. Electra supposedly being the ultimate weapon but just getting the poo poo kicked out of her repeatedly is silly. It's made worse by the fact that Iron Fist is also the ultimate weapon and he also gets the poo poo kicked out of him regularly because he only uses his superpower to punch open doors and poo poo. Why would they want him on their side? He loving sucks. Luke could just brutally murder all of the lovely karate villains so it's silly to expect people to care about a group heroes who seem to be putting themselves and their "quest" in jeopardy by not just using the invincible, ultra strong guy against people who are using swords/their bare hands.
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May 30, 2018 10:24
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Defenders is so much better if you skip every scene without a defender in it. The hand are so tedious.
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May 30, 2018 14:34
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If Gotham doesn't have a shout out to this next season, it'll be an utter waste of the opportunity.
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BSS is reporting confirmation that Jigsaw will be in Punisher season 2 in case anyone doubted it.
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May 30, 2018 23:00
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Crew jackets strongly suggest Bullseye is the primary villain in DD3, too. Since they're doing Born Again, guessing Fisk sends Bullseye on a murder spree after Murdock comes back.
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Timby posted:Crew jackets strongly suggest Bullseye is the primary villain in DD3, too. Since they're doing Born Again, guessing Fisk sends Bullseye on a murder spree after Murdock comes back. Cythereal posted:BSS is reporting confirmation that Jigsaw will be in Punisher season 2 in case anyone doubted it. Awesome on both counts. DDs1 and 2 and Punisher are all the absolute poo poo. With Born Again we can work in Nuke from JJ and maybe even Luke also. I am psyched.
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BiggerBoat posted:Awesome on both counts. DDs1 and 2 and Punisher are all the absolute poo poo. With Born Again we can work in Nuke from JJ and maybe even Luke also. I am psyched. You should catch up on Jessica Jones.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:You should catch up on Jessica Jones. gently caress that, nobody should watch JJ season 2. Nuke's dead okay? There, we've spared you the pain of that slog.
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JJS2 was bad, but I'm still in favor of making the Defenders her, Kingpin, Punisher and sure, whatever, Luke Cage, he's OK. That would make for a way more fun series.
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I'm sad the Nuke storyline didn't go anywhere cool.
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May 31, 2018 07:40
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I never heard of Nuke before JJ, so *shrug*.
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Awwh. I really liked the second season of Jessica Jones. I remember the thread reaction being initially negative, but I'd hoped that people would have warmed up to it over time. Apparently not?
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It just felt too slow and dull to me without a charismatic villain.
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Eh, I liked JJ S2. It had a lot of good character development, and I'd watch Callum Keith Rennie read a phone book.CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:It's good from the beginning. The trick is paying attention, even when it's boring for the first dozen or so episodes, because it's setting something up for later that will have a payoff. You won't know it if you weren't playing attention. The showrunners are very good at comic book show, things flow better when you don't have weird monthlong breaks.
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BiggerBoat posted:Awesome on both counts. DDs1 and 2 and Punisher are all the absolute poo poo. With Born Again we can work in Nuke from JJ and maybe even Luke also. I am psyched. My biggest beefs with Punisher: - Way too much focus on the military stuff for a 2nd time in the row. That was always a background thing with the character before now. I rather have spent more time getting to know scumbags, then watching them get destroyed. - Also too much conspiracy stuff. That was also never Castle's bag, even when doing black ops in the comics I've seen (namely the good ones, i.e. Max ones). - He lets people go. Frankly that should have been the end of Turk and Russo should have not been spared, but somehow arrested before he could be killed. That said it had a lot of awesome to make up for it and Goddamn did Bernthal nail the part to make me really want a round two. Sucks about JJ Season 2 sounding terrible though. That was on my next to watch list. HIJK posted:I'm not a great person but at least I don't try to defend effing Agents of Shield This is a very wrong opinion. It gets better specifically when it crosses over with Winter Soldier and remains better afterward. Serf posted:as soon as "turn, turn, turn" hits, agents of shield becomes good poo poo and just doesn't stop This Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 09:43 on May 31, 2018 |
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JJ S2 had its moments, but it should've been half as long and the end was mindboggingly stupid.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Delayed gratification isn't for some people. Even when told there is a payoff, they just don't have the attention span anymore. That wasn't the problem with the early AoS episodes. It was these audience reactions: "Why are they shooting that tech into the sun? That's stupid and unrealistic. Someone would want that." "Why are there redundant characters? Ward is a bland as cardboard copy of May." "Now Ward is so loving stupid to ignore orders and walk up to an alien with mind control? And now he's got a love triangle with Skye?" <-- Where I almost left the show Then "Turn, Turn, Turn" hits and every single complaint where characters and events looked stupid weren't what they seemed at all. The tech was being horded by Hydra. Ward turns out to be a loving obsessive psychopath. Fitz gets brain damage. Even Ward's dumb plan to just walk up a mind control alien makes sense when you think back and realize he was trying to ally her with Hydra and that he was literally using May for cover, there was no love triangle. Basically it's not that it looked like it was slow/boring and more having some big problems that turned out to almost universally be tricks and not problems at all. The damage was done at that point, though, and that's why so many people won't give it another shot. Almost every dumb thing in season 1 gets an awesome payoff that makes the dumb thing worth it to people who stick with it.. but nobody is going to do that in today's market en mass. homullus posted:I am really glad Luke Cage did not embrace the nuttiness. It would inevitably trivialize race and racism in 2018. Leave nuttiness to Squirrel Girl (pun intended). I know people get annoyed with social messages crammed into shows but Luke Cage, more or less, felt like the perfect place to do that have it feel organic. Other than Diamond Back. Jesus H. Christ that man craves the taste of scenery because he chews it like a lion eating a gazelle Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 09:49 on May 31, 2018 |
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If every MCU Netflix show's second season is a big step down in quality from its first then maybe there's hope that Iron Fist season 2 will loop around to amazing.
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Hakkesshu posted:...had its moments, but it should've been half as long... I hold this opinion for all of the shows. Except maybe DD S1, but even then I'd have to rewatch to actually claim that.
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Hakkesshu posted:JJ S2 had its moments, but it should've been half as long and the end was mindboggingly stupid. I found it interesting and tragic -- and also drat ballsy. Instead of a villain who's primarily defined by being a physical threat (pretty much every Marvel series villain) or an emotional threat (Kilgrave) you've got a villain who's largely defined by being psychologically damaging. Sure, Alisa can pack a punch, but she neither wants to be violent nor is in control of her violence in the first place. She's a victim of circumstance, and of the complete inadequacy of the Marvel universe to come to terms with the paradigm shift that presented by the emergence of superheroes. Jessica, who's all to aware of this new brand of bureaucratic inadequacy, and who's still traumatised by the role she played in the death of Kilgrave (and Hope) is uniquely vulnerable to Alisa's influence -- and it's an influence that Jessica ultimately loses out to. Over the course of the season she shifts from trying to work with (or around) the law to finally breaking with it entirely, and ultimately (in what ends up being a recurring theme for the season) enters into a dangerous and destructive state of codependence. Hell, she becomes so psychologically dependent on recreating her childhood that she ends up voluntarily reinacting her enslavement to Kilgrave, without even realising it. Though she thinks she's doing good, in actuality Jessica's only acting to mitigate and enable a cycle of violence -- Alisa's mental state is destined to round and round like that Ferris wheel -- but this is something Jessica just can't see. Jessica doesn't end the season by beating up a bad guy because she's become the problem, and the only person she has the chance of saving is herself. So I absolutely think there was a villain in the season. It's just bleaker and nastier and ultimately more personal than any other superhero show has tried to be. (I also think it'll play out really well in future context, since a lot of the season seems to be positioning Jerri and Patsy to be future antagonists. I'd certainly not recommend skipping it.) Blazing Ownager posted:Even Ward's dumb plan to just walk up a mind control alien makes sense when you think back and realize he was trying to ally her with Hydra and that he was literally using May for cover, there was no love triangle. He's also looking for an excuse to try and off May -- the first major hint we get to his double agent status is when his mind control takes longer to "wear off" than anyone else's, because he's using it as cover to neutralise his most dangerous opponent. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 13:26 on May 31, 2018 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:My biggest beefs with Punisher: The whole show is a damning critique of the effects the US military has on the people who serve in it and what happens to them when they come back. Saying Punisher Season 1 focuses too much on military stuff is like saying Jessica Jones Season 1 focuses too much on women's issues with abuse and assault. You just aren't on board with the basic premise or that it uses Frank Castle to explore these issues.
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Cythereal posted:The whole show is a damning critique of the effects the US military has on the people who serve in it and what happens to them when they come back. Saying Punisher Season 1 focuses too much on military stuff is like saying Jessica Jones Season 1 focuses too much on women's issues with abuse and assault. I just mean that it turns into sort of a big CIA conspiracy show. The army stuff could have worked great if it wasn't also a CIA conspiracy. I mean it was fine, but is not the usual wheelhouse in which the character operates.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I just mean that it turns into sort of a big CIA conspiracy show. The army stuff could have worked great if it wasn't also a CIA conspiracy. I think the show very deliberately was avoiding the "Frank Castle guns down
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I liked Jessica Jones S2 a lot (it might be my favorite thing Marvel Netflix has done, though don't hold me to that), but I can see how people wanting something closer to a traditional superhero story would be left cold, because it's really, really not that at all.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I just mean that it turns into sort of a big CIA conspiracy show. The army stuff could have worked great if it wasn't also a CIA conspiracy. I quite enjoyed the Punisher and I dunno, if it would've worked as 13 episodes of Frank shooting people like the ED-209, did to Kinney or not but Iiked what we got.
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Cythereal posted:I think the show very deliberately was avoiding the "Frank Castle guns down It struck me as odd that Frank didn't kill that poor builder dude in the first episode. He was an armed gunman. Surely it's part of the Punisher's philosophy to kill people for violent crimes regardless of how sympathetic we might find them? I mean, I didn't want Frank to kill the guy, but I was confused that he didn't -- particularly given the way this thread talks about the character. It also struck me as a bit safe.
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I thought JJS2 felt disjointed and tried to tackle way too many things at the same time, and ultimately it just made me not care about anything. I loved S1, even when it started dragging, so this isn't the usual "show needed less episodes" aspect of Netflix Marvel at work, it was more a lack of focus and some pretty interesting aspects of it getting sidetracked by other...less interesting plotlines (bleh the romances). edit: Netflix Frank Castle isn't really Marvel Punisher where he just really, REALLY wants to kill all of the bad guys though. He had a specific vendetta and not a lot of love lost when it came to criminals. I don't think him letting a dude get away is off-character considering who he is in this universe. also he's a way better character in this universe because punisher fuckin' sucks don't @ me Dias fucked around with this message at 14:42 on May 31, 2018 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:It struck me as odd that Frank didn't kill that poor builder dude in the first episode. He was an armed gunman. Surely it's part of the Punisher's philosophy to kill people for violent crimes regardless of how sympathetic we might find them? It’s been a long time, but I’m pretty sure even Max Frank had some mercy now and again, especially for people that weren’t career criminals.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s been a long time, but I’m pretty sure even Max Frank had some mercy now and again, especially for people that weren’t career criminals. The kid was also clearly in way over his head, and Frank's return to action was spurred by the kid's fellows getting ready to murder him. The kid was also the one who'd tried to befriend Frank earlier. Netflix Frank doesn't seem to have a "kill all criminals" ethos like comics Frank. He'll kill people trying to murder a kid in front of him, but beyond that I think the only person we see him kill who wasn't actively trying to kill him and wasn't part of any of the groups that killed Frank's family was that guy selling child porn.
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I gave up on JJS2 eventually. I get that it's supposed to be about damaged people dealing with poo poo in not ideal ways, but every character in the show was so insufferable that I just couldn't bring myself to give a poo poo what happens to any of them, and I really didn't want to spend anymore watching what any of those assholes did. Punisher was pretty good, but I wish they'd stop doubling down on his origin conspiracy. I really liked it best when Frank was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe crazy because of a bullet in his brain still. But no, actually the whole thing is a conspiracy setup by his former CO to murder his family because heroin. But no actually that conspiracy is a small finding arm of a bigger conspiracy involving CIA blacksites etc. I hope we don't learn in S2 that the whole thing was really orchestrated by the illuminati has a distract for their real plan.
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