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dj_clawson posted:In the end the truth that got him killed was some unverifiable gossip about Fisk's father's death that he couldn't print because of lack of corroboration (and other tiny details about ethics in journalism) and so he just went to randomly post poo poo on the internet to get people upset. Ulrich's life/career didn't exactly end on a high note. Yeah, I mean he was posting conspiracy theories on the internet and had been told by Silvermane a couple of months ago that the one reason he helped Ben was because he kept his family out of it. He was a dead man. So are we getting Owl next season plus Fisk's return to the top? I hope we get Bullseye and Electra soon too. NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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NutritiousSnack posted:Yeah, I mean he was posting conspiracy theories on the internet and had been told by Silvermane a couple of months ago that the one reason he helped Ben was because he kept his family out of it. He was a dead man. Holy poo poo that was Silvermane? I didn't catch that. NutritiousSnack posted:So are we getting Owl next season plus Fisk's return to the top? I hope we get Bullseye and Electra soon too. Does it count as a return to the top when he was only really on the top for like a couple episodes max? I think Elektra kinda seems like a must but what the gently caress do I know about making good TV.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Yeah, I mean he was posting conspiracy theories on the internet and had been told by Silvermane a couple of months ago that the one reason he helped Ben was because he kept his family out of it. He was a dead man. I'm guessing no Owl since he got thrown through a lift door. I suspect if it was ever discussed they opted to use the name and not the alias as a lot of people would see a Penguin clone. Electra seems like a safe bet as she's been referenced and Bullseye just seems a perfect fit.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm guessing no Owl since he got thrown through a lift door. He had a son named Leland Owlsley Jr.
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Modus Operandi posted:He also tries to basically dox Fisk online which is what social justice types do in real life and It backfires and gets him killed. It also reveals the hypocrisy of his position as a journalist. I agree he's not a hero. He represents the everyman going out of his way to fight crime through snooping family members and people surrounding the man they are going after. I'm not saying murder is appropriate but Fisk's reaction is understandable. Yes, I agree. Urich alone never would have done it; he never would have even agreed to go to that senior home. Karen tricked him into it, and when he did his best to walk away Karen wouldn't let him off the hook. Considering Fisk murdered the Russian for much, much less, Urich's death wasn't, looking back on it, much of a surprise.
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Wesley would make a better crime lord than Kingpin
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Karen clearly clearly made a mistake going to that home and dragging Urich along. But when the whole point of the show is that these characters are very human and do in fact gently caress up and make bad choices I can't really find it in me to HATE Karen for this.
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etalian posted:Wesley would make a better crime lord than Kingpin For the middle part of the series? Probably. But apparently Kingpin was the guy with the plan, plus Wesley genuinely liked him in some kind of weird brotherly way and wanted him to have his day. Seeing how they met is another thing I want out of season 2. NecroMonster posted:Karen clearly clearly made a mistake going to that home and dragging Urich along. Yeah I agree. I didn't really hate any major characters in the show, honestly. Even the ones that were giant scumbags.
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Not a surprise to see a second season, but it's still nice to hear about. I imagine we'll get Fisk dominating and escaping from prison (probably getting out at the end of the season), some other crime figure like the Owl (or his kid, or Hammerhead, or somebody) playing the new big boss of Hell's Kitchen, and probably some ties to MCU characters. The only real MCU ties are New York being rebuilt following the Avengers and Thor and Iron Man being alluded to. I expect Age of Ultron will get referred to, Shield to show up in some capacity as Daredevil becomes more well known, and cameos from other Defenders members. Of these Shield is probably the least likely. I'm not really advocating for MCU ties, as this show stands on its own better than anything else they've done so far, but I don't see them passing up the opportunity to include them. Electra and Bullseye would be great though. What if they subvert Bullseye's usual rep as the ultimate mercenary and make him the new crime boss? He's the man in the shadows and the guy who gets the serious wetwork/assassinations done. Plus, how great would it be for Matt to punch his way up the new food chain, then get to Bullseye and be 100% outmatched in a fair fight?
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We're officially getting a season 2 in 2016!
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The Sharmat posted:Holy poo poo that was Silvermane? I didn't catch that. Yeah, had the same name. I think a "return to the top" is the proper way to say it if only because of the nature of the character arc. I know we're getting Hand poo poo because of how heavily they hinted it but the way they ended the season seems primed to not only say Fisk's story isn't over but that it's just beginning too. Great time to introduce Bullseye or Electra if we're getting a gang war next season. Also season 2 confirmed for next year 
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What if all the Hand stuff is mostly there for the Defenders miniseries?
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mikeraskol posted:To Wesley. Not to Fisk. He finds out from his source at the newspaper that Urich wrote an article about him killing his dad, with the primary source as his mother. Assuming that Fisk and his mother have another conversation at some point in their lives, the subject could come up again, of course. Fisk knew drat well Ben was lying about being at the home alone, and he's not going to let this rest. I'd be astonished if this isn't a plot thread in the second season.
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The Sharmat posted:What if all the Hand stuff is mostly there for the Defenders miniseries? Would make sense and be cool poo poo for a crossover. I hope that's where they go with it.
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Karen is actually fairly reprehensible in many ways. Some people are keen on giving her a pass for various reasons but she insists on crusading while involuntarily risking the lives of others. Wasn't the whole reason that old hispanic lady got murdered because she convinced her to not take the payout on principle? I think Foggy was in on that one too.
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Modus Operandi posted:Karen is actually fairly reprehensible in many ways. The old lady's murder was just bait to send Daredevil against Nobu.
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etalian posted:The old lady's murder was just bait to send Daredevil against Nobu. I think it was sort of two birds with one stone - shortly afterwards they talk about how the apartment was now getting torn down as planned.
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etalian posted:The old lady's murder was just bait to send Daredevil against Nobu. They would have likely not have targeted the old lady if she went along with the program though. They offered to double it and gave her time to reconsider. If they wanted to kill her outright they could have done it before that offer. Karen (and to a lesser extent Foggy) got her murked. Karen's actions has contributed to the deaths of 4 people although Wesley is a "bad" guy and the first guy who got murdered was pretty indirect. Fisk is at least a man of principles, Karen is not. She's a wreckless crusader. Modus Operandi fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Light Gun Man posted:Daredevil is happening partially because a magic hammer wielder trashed some poo poo while fighting aliens. It's already part of the world it takes place in. I get what you're saying, but fiction still isn't reality. Your life doesn't revolve around a small set of themes or conform neatly to a particular structured series of events. The complex nature of the real world isn't relevant to fiction, because real people don't need to fit coherently into an overarching narrative when they meet each other. If Daredevil met Star Lord, they would have to. Ignoring that is how you wind up with people saying, "hey, why didn't Steve just call Tony Stark to help with HYDRA?" He didn't because that's not what the movie was about; creating an in-universe reason is unnecessary. In a similar way, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that although Thor objectively exists in Daredevil, it makes no sense and would be dumb for him to show up in the story as-presented. Though, I'm still down for magic ninjas in Daredevil. Daredevil is a blind martial artist who does mindful meditation. He's already balls-deep in orientalist pulp, so that's actually perfectly consistent with the setting despite the grit and shadow.
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What do you guys want to see for season 2? My wishlist: - Matt's lovely mom! - Maybe Foggy's lovely mom! - More Claire - Foggy's inevitable jokes about Karen's porno past. Also, Karen's porno past - Someone saying, "Look, the Bulletin has new pictures of Spider-man!" - Elektra
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Modus Operandi posted:They would have likely not have targeted the old lady if she went along with the program though. They offered to double it and gave her time to reconsider. If they wanted to kill her outright they could have done it before that offer. Karen (and to a lesser extent Foggy) got her murked. Basically every major character in the show but Foggy and maybe Matt is a reckless crusader for the entire season dj_clawson posted:What do you guys want to see for season 2? More Fisk backstory More Fisk current story More Vanessa More Wesley Bullseye Elektra Stick Spiderman shout outs
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I wanna see crossovers.
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Phylodox posted:Well, now I wanna see Star Lord in season 2. He hears Fisk's a murderous crime boss, immediately shoots him in the face with a laser gun. "Was that so hard?"
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ghostwritingduck posted:We're officially getting a season 2 in 2016! Yay  http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevil quote:Marvel and Netflix are proud to announce that "Marvel's Daredevil" will receive a second season, available only on the streaming service in 2016!
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achillesforever6 posted:http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevil Expected but still exciting nonetheless. I can't help but be a little nervous that DeKnight isn't running the show this season. He did such an amazing job just the thought of someone else trying it feel off, even though that's completely irrational to think.
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He wasn't even supposed to be the showrunner, nor did he write the best episodes.
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Raserys posted:Expected but still exciting nonetheless. I can't help but be a little nervous that DeKnight isn't running the show this season. The people running it were both writers for season 1, so that makes me feel a bit better about it.
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zoux posted:He wasn't even supposed to be the showrunner, nor did he write the best episodes. Yeah, I know, Drew Goddard, but still.
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Yeah basically I'm going to resist the TVIV impulse to assume the other shoe is about to drop and reveal that The Show Sucks Now and not instantly look for what ever is the opposite of a silver lining around unequivocally good news.
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"Everything is ruined, forever", is hardly unique to the TVIV.
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zoux posted:Yeah basically I'm going to resist the TVIV impulse to assume the other shoe is about to drop and reveal that The Show Sucks Now and not instantly look for what ever is the opposite of a silver lining around unequivocally good news. Not to make things weird but you're pretty much my favorite person on here these days. (As far as I'm concerned, though: 8 was the best episode and that was written by DeKnight, so this kinda sucks. But I'll give these guys a shot for sure.)
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lol, I'm not saying it's gonna suck, I'm just saying that I loved this season so much that I wish the people who made it would make the next season.
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I think you guys were watching a different Ben urich than what I saw but I'll have to a re-watch.dj_clawson posted:What do you guys want to see for season 2? Bullseye Elektra A better costume A little more courtroom stuff Melvin Potter/Gladiator Punisher Luke and Danny Foggy being caught up in Matt's poo poo and put in peril Wilson Fisk beating the rap and orchestrating it all
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The Sharmat posted:For the middle part of the series? Probably. But apparently Kingpin was the guy with the plan, plus Wesley genuinely liked him in some kind of weird brotherly way and wanted him to have his day. Daredevil & Kingpin season 2: Avocados in at Law, Parsley in Crime
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The Sharmat posted:More Fisk backstory Wesley  There's nothing more I want than a Daredevil/Spider-Man crossover doing the Murder of Jean DeWolf or handling Spidey's more gritty less wacky adventures. BiggerBoat posted:Punisher NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Foggy being caught up in Matt's poo poo and put in peril But them freeing himself and beating everyone up with a hockey stick. "Hey Matt this isn't so hard when you can see!"
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dj_clawson posted:But them freeing himself and beating everyone up with a hockey stick. "Hey Matt this isn't so hard when you can see!" Foggy Bear: season 1.
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All the stuff with Ben Urich made me wonder how they could do JJ for Spiderman believably, given that in this decade New Yorkers would post thousands of pictures of Spiderman on the internet every day, taken with cellphone cameras.
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The Sharmat posted:All the stuff with Ben Urich made me wonder how they could do JJ for Spiderman believably, given that in this decade New Yorkers would post thousands of pictures of Spiderman on the internet every day, taken with cellphone cameras. Even Matt has a couple pics of Spiderman taken by accident when he was trying to put someone on hold. He will never know about them.
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