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Jose Oquendo posted:This. There's barely any references to the MCU itself. I only noticed 2 in the pilot. If there's more, please list them. Also there's no goddamn Infinity Gems in this. In episode 2, Creel, the boxer Matt's dad had the big match with, is the Absorbing Man from Agents of SHIELD season 2
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I'm finally done. That was... an experience. Now I just want more. Or Iron Fist, with all those little (and not so little) hints and foreshadowing. Sadly, it looks like we won't get Iron Fist until mid-late 2016, at least. Jessica Jones is next, but she's the one I'm least interested in, I don't really know much about her other than 'luke cage's wife' and that the show is being produced by the lead writer of all Twilight movies and some Dexter, which isn't exactly filling me with optimism. Still, after Daredevil I should honestly just give them the benefit of the doubt, because.. wow.
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Apr 11, 2015 22:32
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Vitamin P posted:The Punisher is trash and the MAX series was an ongoing punchline that turned south after a couple of episodes. The MCU will never do the Punisher because there's literally nothing to do, the character is fedora reddit pulp that got far too much attention because ITS NOT YOUR DADDYS SPIDERMAN. The Punisher doesn't just not fit the MCU, he doesn't fit anything, because the Punisher is a trash character. While I wouldn't go that far, I agree that I'm not so sure about Punisher being in the MCU. Punisher getting away with being a mass murderer with a kill count probably in the tens of thousands by this point despite there being superheroes everywhere is already pretty iffy with the more flexible comic book rules. It'd be even weirder on TV, especially if they try to portray him in any remotely positive light after the whole arc in Daredevil pretty much utterly rejecting a Punisher-style philosophy - he'd practically have more in common with Fisk.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:05
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DivisionPost posted:BTW, earlier in the thread some of you guys were looking for a metric to predict renewal? Well, last night between 6:30 and 8:30 I couldn't even connect to Netflix, it was so slammed. I don't think they're gonna cancel something that's so popular they have to get new servers to meet the demand. This is their Game of Thrones: poo poo's not going anywhere. Now, the question is if they're even allowed to make more Daredevil until the other four series are done, though.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:15
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XboxPants posted:I think he could work as either a villain or a morally gray ally, either for Daredevil or on any of the other series, like 1x06 Vladamir. And then you'd have to explicitly raise the issue of "is this guy any different from someone like Fisk?" I'd say he is. 1x13 Fisk's whole "savior" persona was a bullshit pretense all along, as he accepts in the "I'm not the Samaritan" speech. If improving the city and helping others was really his aim, he wouldn't be taking so much for himself, living in such luxury. He doesn't improve Hell's Kitchen for others, he does it for personal wealth and power. As Fisk himself said, he didn't kill his dad for his mother, he did it for himself. That's the thing with Punisher, though, he doesn't make personal sacrifices to help others, he makes personal sacrifices to hurt others - punisher sometimes ends up rescuing people by killing the people harming them, but that's not his priority or his goal. Oftentimes the punishment is way worse than the crime itself - he doesn't just go after murderers and rapists. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:Just because Daredevil the series rejects the philosophy doesn't mean that Punisher the series would. They can both exist in the same "world". poo poo, Tony Stark's philosophy is pretty counter to Murdock's too. Given the other characters in the line up for Netflix shows I'd expect them to have philosophies that while complimentary to Daredevil's themes would also run counter to certain parts of the "Daredevil Philosophy". Yeah, they can, but the MCU (and comics in general, honestly) are generally pretty idealistic at heart, in the end, deep down - Even Daredevil is, beneath all the grit. It would just really jar with the tone of the whole universe they have going to show what he does as a good thing. I guess they don't have to necessarily show him in a good light though, you could just have a miniseries about him as a terrifying monster that ends up with him getting arrested or dying or leaving or something. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Apr 12, 2015 00:07
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Hollismason posted:The only character that I felt was a bit two dimensional was Vanessa, like there just wasn't a lot of back story and we weren't shown that at all. I mean she knocked it out of the park in a nuanced performance, but still the romance between them felt .. contrived Wesley was great - He's so strangely genuine and loyal with Fisk despite his stiff, almost twitchy demeanor. Like, instead of just being a lackey sucking up, he's so anal about everything relating to Fisk because he's genuinely offended on the behalf of Fisk whenever anyone is rude to him or inconveniences him. He knows Fisk is actually pretty sensitive and volatile and goes out of his way to keep him relaxed because he's his friend instead of out of self-interest. I sort of wonder how they met.
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Gawain The Blind posted:I've never been a huge daredevil fan or anything, but I really liked the show. Part of Arrow's appeal was the over-the-topness, though. It's so different tonally - it's always been pretty much a superhero soap opera. I wouldn't say adding more ridiculous villains changed much at all, really. None of what we saw had anything like that tone so I don't think we need to worry about it too much. Crossover stuff like Defenders? Sure, there will probably be more blatant superpower poo poo to be worthy of four superheroes, the other three of which are all considerably harder hitting and tougher than Daredevil, but it still probably won't ever get hammy like Arrow and sometimes AoS.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:38
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NmareBfly posted:This series was good. Minor thoughts that have stuck with me: As far as Karen goes 1x13+comics In the comics she moves out to start an acting career, gets addicted to heroin, becomes a porn star to keep getting fixes, and sells out Daredevil's identity to get another hit, gets convinced she's HIV positive, and then gets killed. I REALLY hope they don't do any bullshit like that to her character, but I have this terrible feeling they might fridge her in Season 2 because it's a 'defining aspect' of Daredevil or something to have all his girlfriends evil/crazy/dead. Still, by making her and foggy be a thing instead of him, maybe she might get spared.
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Apr 12, 2015 17:09
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Rurutia posted:My cousin and I actually thought the opposite. He was actually understandable, whereas most of the time when non speakers try to speak Chinese it is impossible for me to understand. I think he just underestimated her balls - not only to grab the gun, but shoot it.
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Apr 12, 2015 22:50
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old dog child posted:I want Netflix to make every show. They have got to have more hits than busts at this point. Honestly, this. This was so much more satisfying than a 2-3 hour movie. I even love the lighthearted silly CGI-heavy marvel stuff too, it's a shame they can never get the TV treatment too - The marvel movies often end up feeling especially shallow even if they are fun, because they have to shove an entire comic book plot, plus oftentimes character origins and introductions, into just 2-3 hours. Sadly, everything to do with the movie characters are so expensive that even having a cameo for any of them outside of Fury was out of the question, even for Agents of SHIELD which was tied closely to the plot of several of the movies, and tv characters can't be used in the movies because they don't want to make any of the TV shows required watching, so it seems like there will always be this sort of awkward barrier between tv stuff and movie stuff. Even though most of the Avengers stuff showing up in Daredevil would have been pretty silly at this point, considering how many movies they plan on making in the future, having all characters from all the movies being no-shows in the TV shows and vice versa seems like it could become unpleasantly restrictive. Coulson being alive and the director of SHIELD, but also having been confirmed as never speaking to any of the Avengers again for any of the many future MCU movies, many of which will no doubt involve the new SHIELD, is sort of an example of this. Essentially I just think everything would be way more fun if it could get the TV series/miniseries treatment instead. But I guess there just isn't as much money there.
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Apr 13, 2015 09:27
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XboxPants posted:I saw someone suggest once that the best way to adapt Spider-Man isn't a movie, but a serialized TV series. And I found that I had to agree. Even though it was just a couple years ago, back then it seemed an impossibility. And it's surely not something happening any time soon. Having just a ton of Marvel shows on Netflix across the whole breadth of the franchise with long running series for years would pretty much be beyond my wildest dreams. After all, it fits the comic book format better than a movie.
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Apr 13, 2015 11:06
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Just make Danny a gay black woman like the guy earlier suggested. Problem solved. 
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PunkBoy posted:No prob! It looks more comical than anything when sped up, heh.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:27
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XboxPants posted:At this point Matt was still thinking he was alright with committing murder. Personally, I have no question that he purposefully deflected that blade into the lamp to cause the fire. Bouncing stuff around like that is a big thing for Daredevil, that's one of main uses of the billy club thing he has, like what Stick did with the bottlecap. Think Cap and his shield. In the end though, there's a pretty big difference between desperately lashing out when someone is literally seconds away from killing you, and ending up killing them instead, and deliberately killing someone when you had the option to not do so. Same reason he doesn't get incredibly guilty if gangsters end up killing each other when trying to shoot him, and miss and hit another gangster. It's enough of a distinction that you probably can say that he's not a 'killer' or a 'murderer', much more than you'd start throwing that at someone who ended up killing someone in self defense, at least. Chances are, if he saw any way to disable Nobu nonlethally, he would have. He's not like Arrow who uses arrows to the chest as a first resort (and with whom all the agonizing over whether or not he's a killer is much sillier). Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Apr 14, 2015 04:37
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When it comes to Madame Gao/the Hand/Iron Fist stuff in general, I think people do get a bit too sensitive about all the cliches - it's not like a massive amount of ancient mystical asian kung fu cliches aren't used in chinese-made wuxia movies/books/manhua anyway. And ideally, Iron Fist should be a little bit wuxia-like anyway. You can use those cliches with a bit of a tongue in cheek and still stay in good taste as long as you don't get racist with stereotypes, I think. They even poke fun at it with Foggy rolling his eyes when Matt is like 'yeah i had a wise old blind mentor who taught me kung fu'.
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Apr 14, 2015 05:37
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http://www.imdb.com/search/title?num_votes=5000,&sort=user_rating,desc&title_type=tv_series Huh. Somehow, Daredevil hit #3 on the 'highest rated TV show with over 5000 reviews' on IMDB. I doubt it'll stay THAT high, but it's still pretty drat impressive - I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed on the top 10 for a long time, honestly.
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Apr 14, 2015 10:10
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I prefer it if he can't actually read almost any non handwritten paper (the indendation left behind by a pen or pencil isn't terribly farfetched him for him to feel) or computer screens. If you're going to make him blind, even with super senses, it seems important to make at least SOME things difficult and keep a bit of the whole blind thing authentic.
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Apr 15, 2015 09:32
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Ravel posted:I'm surprised that Matt couldn't immediately tell what Karen had done considered all the things he might be able to smell on her including Wesley and a fired gun. Not to mention her obvious distress. Before ever seeing Matt she got home, got incredibly drunk, took a shower, got even more drunk, slept, and went around and did things for a while before he had a chance to get a whiff - I'm pretty sure at that point 'fired a gun' wasn't a smell he noticed. I don't think he's even just been able to flat out smell which people a person has been in contact with either, or even recognize most people he doesn't know well by smell alone, even in the comics, unless the person had some really distinguishing and obvious smell for some reason (like Mr Bad Cologne).
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Apr 18, 2015 02:08
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Light Gun Man posted:Maybe Foggy was just blowin it up in there and he could figure out the food from that. Or just bad breath and poor oral hygiene, maybe.
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Apr 18, 2015 08:19
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Skeesix posted:One of my favorite things was the beginning of Episode 3. The little montage with "never jam" suddenly turning way too violent was great. And I liked how that one guy who sold the gun ended up being a sort of audience insert into the lower levels of Fisk's enterprise. Yeah, the cops were a little bit too willing to start murdering other cops, dirty or not. The SWAT team in episode 5 or 6 stands out in particular, especially considering that the guy didn't have a clue anything criminal was going on in the first place.
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Apr 19, 2015 14:58
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Snak posted:See, I read it differently. Killing obviously isn't something she's comfortable with. If she's done it before, it was a traumatic event in her past. She probably told herself that she would never have to do it again. She grabs the gun and fires the shot because she's not afraid to, because it's saved her life before. Then she realizes that she actually has shot someone another time, but now she's committed and she's not going to gently caress it up, she's going to live and escape no matter what andBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!! And then she becomes a heroin addict porn star and sells out Daredevil's identity for drugs.
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Apr 20, 2015 11:54
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Kainser posted:Daredevil was beaten by an old man with a stun gun. He heard Stick's signature tapping and completely lost his composure and ended up underestimating the out of shape old man for a moment, it's understandable at least.
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Apr 20, 2015 23:04
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Kazy posted:How did Matt not kill Nobu? How can you look at that and say that he hasn't killed anyone? If someone attacks you with a knife, and accidentally ends up cutting himself in the struggle, was it your fault? Of course not. Nobu threw the chain knife at Matt, Matt blocks the knife, the knife ricochets upward and hits a light bulb which ignites the gasoline in the room. Then, being on fire, decides to try and continue stabbing Matt instead of jumping in the massive body of water nearby. Now, him knocking the knife into the light bulb may have been intentional or not, but when someone is beating the poo poo out of you and about to kill you, you usually don't have the luxury to not take an opening just because it might hurt or kill them. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Apr 21, 2015 20:50
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etalian posted:The old lady's murder was just bait to send Daredevil against Nobu. I think it was sort of two birds with one stone - shortly afterwards they talk about how the apartment was now getting torn down as planned.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Going to say while I like Waid's run, it isn't actually "great". He just broke the trend and livened things up with a lighter take, giving some breathing room before we go back to Grim and Dark stuff. Can't really remember a great storyline. TV wise it wouldn't fit themes and mood of the show, which is fine for a comic book run or film series...is really, really bad for a tv series. Waid's run was what got me into reading Daredevil in the first place though, so it is important - without it, a summary of Daredevil reads like just a bit ridiculously excessive endless spiral of death and depression and everything and everyone that Matt cares about dying or worse. You're right that some of the Waid stories would be pretty inappropriate for the TV Daredevil, but if this sticks around for a few seasons, I don't think that letting some of the lighter elements/stories drip in a bit occasionally so the excessive grittiness doesn't get tiring would be good. I just hope that killing Ben was enough for them to let Karen live instead, because it'll be irritating to have a great female character around that's just a ticking time bomb till she gets fridged.
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If chinese people make and love cheesy kung fu movies, then everyone can make and love cheesy kung fu movies. People get too sensitive about this .
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Phylodox posted:Not according to Wikipedia. They say he was a mutant who could absorb kinetic energy and was involved in, like, Weapon X poo poo. I got bored and stopped reading after a while, though, so maybe they revealed that he's an android later. He's a mutant robot, clearly.
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Honestly, as long as they just cast a good fit for the role it doesn't matter. The only really important bits in his origin are that a. he's an outsider and foreigner, and at least somewhat unwelcome in K'un Lun, and b. he's from a rich, probably American family. You could do that with an asian-american, sure, but it's pretty silly to do that to avoid calls of racism and for no other reason. I'd care more about getting a really good lead than making sure he's the right race. Hell, he could be Latino for all I care, it would certainly be funny to see the reactions to it.
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tsob posted:Stick and Matt beat up multiple ninjas when trying to stop Black Sky though didn't they? Matt did most of it on his own even. Nobu really gave Matt a run for his money, but he was probably reasonably high on the skill/authority ladder within the Hand and not every Hand member is going to be on his level. Those seemed more like just low-level gangsters working for the Hand instead of genuine Hand ninjas.
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Chakram posted:Oh yeah. Guess we'll never know what Black Sky was all about. It's either Iron Fist foreshadowing, Defenders foreshadowing, or a plot hook for a later season of daredevil (which has been already confirmed for next year). It's pretty likely we'll find out what the deal was there soon enough.
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Chances are they'll fix up the mask some by season 2 anyway, considering all the mixed feedback. The rest of the suit works fine. I think the only bad part of the suit is his face - it just doesn't fit with that mask. Maybe someone could wear that mask well, but not him.
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People are getting huffy about it, but I kinda agree with Snak's argument - the idea here is that Jessica has a mindset closer to someone in real life might have - where killing is a last resort that many people would never even want to consider. It's a lot easier to say 'oh well she should have just killed him' since everyone involved is a fictional character for us (and we have the benefit of hindsight), but from the perspective of the people in a story, killing might not be so easy - it's not like she's a hardened killer or even a superhero that deals with supervillains regularly. Combine that with her fixation on saving Hope instead of getting revenge on Kilgrave and I can easy see why she would avoid killing. Sure, in hindsight and from a distance we know it probably would have ended better if they had, but in the moment she didn't have enough of that certainty to actually make such a decision. Like people have said, there are plenty of people in this world who do just as much harm as Kilgrave ever did, or more, and most of these people never get killed, even by their victims.
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DarkCrawler posted:Uh, not to slam on Daredevil (I liked it, except I still think that the Kingpin was horrible in the show), but aren't all those basically huge mostly negative stereotypes Honestly, when china has tons of media and movies with ridiculous kung fu stereotypes, and japan has tons of media with ridiculous ninja stereotypes, and I don't know of any offhand but I can hardly imagine russia doesn't have tons of media about gangsters there's really nothing wrong at all with using stereotypical ninjas or kung fu or gangsters or whatever in good faith (you can obviously handle them poorly in a way that can end up somewhat racist, but that's usually not the case). Otherwise somehow it's somehow 'wrong' for anyone but a chinese director to make a kung fu movie that uses any kung fu tropes or stereotypes, many of which were made in chinese movies, which is ridiculous. I'm amazed at how often it comes up that it's somehow racist or something to have a crazy wuxia style kung fu theme for Iron Fist.
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The problem with the Punisher isn't that he kills people sometimes, it's that he kills people every time. I mean sure, superheroes have magic plot powers of never accidentally killing anybody, but at the same time the punisher has the magic plot power of presumably never accidentally killing an innocent person, or a person who didn't do anything anywhere near deserving of the death penalty. Punisher has a thing against drug dealers and gangsters in particular - sure, there's some real terrible gangsters and drug dealers out there, but there's also a lot of them who are just a product of their environment and might not have even really had any other options in life and certainly don't deserve to get executed in cold blood. Honestly I wouldn't be bothered with a hero-type who kill people sometimes, the real terrible ones who really deserve it and would go on to continue to cause a lot of harm to people regardless of how many times you've tried to avoid killing them (see : the joker), but punisher goes way, way beyond that, putting him more in 'serial killer' or 'villain' territory.
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Scyantific posted:Man oh man I really hope we get Gorgon in season 3. Gorgon's already taken by Agents of Shield, unfortunately - and he's not (currently?) a ninja, so, yeah. Unless Hydra starts making buddy buddy with the Hand it's probably not happening.
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The two halves of the plot were often connected a bit awkwardly at the end, but I really enjoyed the dual plots during episodes 4-8. Matt being pulled into two directions by Elektra and the Punisher case made for some great drama - and infiltrating the Roxxon headquarters for the ledger was a fun episode. After the yakuza started to get replaced by ninjas it started to go downhill a little bit - the ninjas themselves aren't particularly exciting fights (though I did like the one in his apartment), but the whole weird creepy blood ritual thing going on was interesting at least. I'm not really sure what they could have done to make the ninjas more interesting - I suppose one thing that a lot of the better villains in this series have had done for them, even the side villains (see : all of Fisk's lieutenants in season 1, the Punisher, the DA, Elektra), is letting the audience getting to know them a bit and show their personality. The current batch of ninjas outside of Elektra and Stick are all pretty much faceless and emotionless (Nobu isn't much of an exception here), but that's kinda a defining trait of ninjas so I can't really imagine them pulling interesting villains out of the Hand. Maybe if they showed the inner workings of the hand a little more - got more of a feel for their strange cult and motivations, instead of 'ninjas show up to kill people inexplicably'. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Ramadu posted:I do have to say that I honestly prefer seasons to be shorter, like 10-13 episodes. That really feels like the best length to build a story with a few subplots and resolve them all without having to resort to stupid filler. And then we have Legion, where everyone's slightly unhappy with the 8 episodes and wishes it was 9, or 10. I think giving them some flexibility in episode range is probably the best option. Some shows are probably honestly even better with the full 20+ episodes in a season. Forcing all the netflix shows to be as long as they are and not any shorter or longer probably did hurt them.
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bloodychill posted:Shield is consistently enjoyable minus the breaks but the "this is the best tv ever made" posts I see from time to time seem pretty hyperbolic. I also wasn't a fan of the Ward character in that show (whereas Ward in Ironfist was one of my favorites) and I've noticed all the really big Shield fans love AoS Ward. I feel like there's something I'm not getting or some critical difference in taste. It's the best comic book tv show that actually feels like a comic book tv show, essentially. The other marvel TV hits (Daredevil, Legion) don't embrace full-on comic book as sincerely and wholeheartedly (or as competently) as post-first half of first season AOS. The DC stuff just can't even hope to compete. And AoS does a weird thing where the first half of the first season becomes better in retrospect, because it lays so many little seeds of character development that most shows would never capitalize on, and manages to make them grow into something genuinely interesting. I'm saying this as someone who, ages ago, found the first episode of AoS so bad that I had sworn off the show entirely until I saw the reviews of season 2. I was absolutely convinced than AoS was just complete dogshit and was skeptical all the way up to the Winter Soldier crossover. Now it's prolly my favorite show on TV right now, just in terms of pure fun. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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