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You don't really need to spoil the fact that the real estate plan of any rich person is ultimately "gently caress the poor, lets kick them out". That's just a self-evident truth of the world. It's literally exactly as complicated as that in and out of the show. gently caress the poor, gently caress the crime that goes with them, lets flush their poo poo lives and put something productive in their place.
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Hollismason posted:That's pretty impressive. Although if the total of all 5 are 60 Episodes then that means 1 of the series isn't going to be 13 episodes. It's The Defenders. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist are full series, The Defenders is sort of a mini-series with all of them. e: Beat. Although I guess I can add that they aren't all going to be segmented or anything, they've said Luke Cage will be in Jessica Jones and the like. So it's not all "They do their own thing, surprise The Defenders and they team up for wacky hijinks!".
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Apr 12, 2015 04:48
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Petr posted:This show makes me wish Marvel hadn't pissed away the rights to X-Men and Spider-Man. So far as I know, they've always had the tv rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men, or at least for years now.
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Apr 12, 2015 05:49
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Xtanstic posted:RI'm surprised Wesley died like such a chump, but I'm pretty glad they gave the moment to Karen Page. Hilariously Wesley was the only thing that could have saved Ulrich's life. If he just told Fisk, they both would have gotten killed and that's that. If Fisk wasn't distracted, he gets the call and they are both dead. Wesley getting the call and trying to scare her into shutting up would have saved both their lives and kept Fisk from getting worked up. As an added bonus, it would have made no difference to how vulnerable Fisk was in the end. Indeed, nothing the main characters did outside the last episode mattered very much in bringing down Fisk. This is the totality of what they did: Daredevil beat up a cop, and protected another one. That's it. And it was enough, but those are the only two meaningful things our group did to actually take down Fisk. Karen did all that for nothing. quote:I seem to have grasped that Stick and the shirtless guy is an Iron Fist reference Nope, that would be the Hand. Stick works for a group called the Chaste, which was founded by a member of the Hand. A member of the Hand that knew the original founder 500 years ago, and is still kicking today. They are supposed to be closer to the Hand's roots before it went evil and served a demon. quote:What's the deal with Gao and her 'I'm going home farther than China' talk? Alternate dimension? All her stuff is a bunch of Iron Fist references, and she's probably from one of a few alternate kung fu dimensions. quote:Also what's the deal with the kid in the container that Stick killed? Some martial art prodigy meant to be molded into a weapon? Or was he like carrying some sort of bioweapon inside of him or something? Ha ha ha, of course not. No, he was probably possessed by the demon that runs the Hand. They call it The Beast.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:17
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Like the current Avengers think they are crazy, but then you use the phrase "Alternate kung fu dimension", and you realize they are just kind of loving about with toys while some real freaky poo poo is going down. Which does make me wonder when they are going to cast Iron Fist.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:34
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Beyond the obvious "What the gently caress is wrong with you, why does the kung fu character have to be Chinese?", you also get the people who would tie it to the Tibetan independence movement. It's a giant loving hassle with no upside that's just a different shade of racist on a racist character.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:50
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She's not Chinese at all in the story, and he's basically a giant toddler that could rip people in half. Who the gently caress is going to give them poo poo about how they talk?
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Apr 12, 2015 22:44
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Sorvah posted:I'll be curious how they differentiate Daredevil and Iron Fist as large parts of Daredevil could easily be an Iron Fist series. Really I imagine the second the dragon shows up or he has to deal with the alien plant people folks would be fine going "Yep, this sure isn't Daredevil".
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Apr 13, 2015 22:21
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Sorvah posted:So people see them going full mystic with the Iron Fist series? There is literally nothing to Iron Fist without the mystic bullshit. It's the entire point. Just a dude going "Welp, gently caress it, time to summon my Chi and punch a train to death. Probably going to die, peace out.".
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Apr 13, 2015 23:01
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In a sense Alias is as dark as Marvel has ever gone, as it's about the total disintegration of someone's life in the face of horrific abuse and where she goes from there. It makes everything else they have look so explicitly childish in comparison. If Frank Castle went through what Jessica Jones did, he wouldn't have killed mobsters....he'd have murdered the loving world.
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Apr 14, 2015 00:38
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dj_clawson posted:I have a feeling that the director is a HUGE fan of The Dark Knight. Sure, it's the greatest comic book movie of all time, but he was practically outright stealing from it with the music and the dead cops. Seems fair, seeing as The Dark Knight is just cribbing from what is ultimately Daredevil.
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Apr 14, 2015 02:37
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dj_clawson posted:They made Hawkeye deaf, but that was a retcon. Some fan asked for a deaf character, and they were like, "Dur, ok, we've never mentioned it before but he's deaf. There you go." Nah, he got hurt. It was a whole thing. Then they made him hearing impaired again just recently. e: Actually it was more bullshit when they made him able to hear again. Mulva fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 07:57
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His costume in the beginning is too much like what Iron Fist wears, so they need to look different if they team up. Wouldn't want everyone on the drat team looking the exact same.
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Apr 16, 2015 09:47
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Drifter posted:One would be white, one black. That'd be prettty cool. Iron Fist is green and yellow! And the white and black mix comes from his heterosexual life partnership with Luke Cage and their not at all beard-like romantic partners.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:35
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Skeesix posted:If you get really really beat up/almost die doing something, only spend one night recuperating and go out the following night with some barely stitched-up wounds for that same thing even though there's no immediate need to do so, do you really I feel like you missed this while watching the show, so let me state it again: Matt is Catholic. Matt is really, really Catholic.
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Apr 21, 2015 20:04
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Snak posted:As much as I love Fisk, I hope that he's basically not in season 2 at all. That way Season 3 can open with "Previously and Daredevil" and show a supercut of Fisk starting at his cell wall every day for an entire year before his escape. Ha ha ha....ah, 'escape'. He's walking straight out of that cell, you know that right?
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Apr 22, 2015 17:06
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The Sharmat posted:If it's played completely straight all the time it'll probably seem stupid but surely they won't do that 24/7. They pretty much play the concept straight 24/7, but that doesn't mean there aren't people having fun in it.
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Apr 22, 2015 20:41
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Modus Operandi posted:How is Iron Fist not a hokey somewhat racist appropriation of the mysteries of the orient and kung fu? He is, but then they hooked him up with Luke Cage and started telling amusing buddy comedy stories and people stopped giving a poo poo.
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Apr 23, 2015 00:13
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Sneaksie Taffer posted:The zeitgeist has moved on from ninjas. They should be zombies now to keep up with trends. They are that too, kinda. The Hand is filled with ninjas raised from the dead. See, they get you coming AND going.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:44
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Emo-stein, the Frankenstein that can literally only talk poo poo to his dad and turns into a giant anti-social baby when anyone else is around. May he reign for a thousand years.
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Apr 23, 2015 23:03
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Skeesix posted:My favorite term to spring forth from the Penny dreadful thread was "Friendzonestein" and I still sometimes contemplate changing my forums name to that with the above picture as an avatar. The best thing is to get a scene where he's just coming from or going to meeting other people and contrasting it to a scene with Frankenstein that happened near it. Just to see him lose like 3 inches in height and be reduced to "No....no mam. Yes mam." and never making eye contact, then he meets Frankenstein and you get 8,000 words of overwrought revenge porn that would make Shakespeare stop and go "drat son, throw a dick joke in there or something. Break up the flow a bit.". Friendzonestein was pretty drat good. It beats out "Totally Normal Human Male Ethan Chandler", although that one pretty much has to be retired now that they've gotten explicit with the werewolf exorcist of London.
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Apr 24, 2015 01:50
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Just say magic kung fu dimension and move on.
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Apr 28, 2015 16:14
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Halloween Jack posted:Sure, a thick playing card, to the throat, in relatively close quarters. Bullseye's schtick doesn't benefit from deliberately trying to make it as out-there is possible, which Smith tended to do with pretty much every character he wrote in comics. He slits her throat with a thrown playing card. That's the entire point of his iconic "But me? I'm magic." line. She throws a sai, he throws a playing card. He catches her sai, she gets her throat slit. Then he does his "For my next trick" and kills her with her own sai. He fights relatively equally with magic ninjas when he's never had a moments training in anything in his entire life. Having him be the guy who just doesn't miss is about the barest level of competence you can give him to play at the level he plays at.
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Apr 29, 2015 16:11
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computer parts posted:Nah actually Man of Steel is pretty faithful to Superman's overarching theme. Flying dicks? Unmerciful posted:I assume that this has been discussed half a dozen times already but what exactly was Fisk's overarching motivation? gently caress the poor and the terrible neighborhood they build around them, burn that poo poo to the ground and move in some low crime yuppies. Stopping Fisk just leaves a terrible neighbor that breeds poo poo people and crime. From his perspective, who does that really help in the end?
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BottledBodhisvata posted:(although that is probably cartoonishly evil too) It's gentrification. Literally that is it, it's militant gentrification. It's what actually happened to Hell's Kitchen before it got erased by an alien invasion in the MCU. It'll be incredibly profitable in the same way that owning the land middle class to rich white people operate in is always profitable, and it's evil to the degree you think "gently caress the poor" is evil. It's the reason why the Russians were always going to be eliminated. They were thugs, and the place he was creating wouldn't have room for them. His other partners were a ninja clan, a magic kung fu alien, and an accountant. Street level crime was never the backbone of what he was doing, just a means to an end to help finance what he was doing and to speed the process along.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:07
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He's less retarded and more touched with a side of horrific rage issues. He's capable of almost functioning normally with therapy and medication, but boy howdy does he go freight train o'crazy when you set him off.
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May 2, 2015 04:05
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Drifter posted:He seemed pretty retarded to me. Not just a dude who hulks out. He seems like Sloth from the Goonies or something. plus a weapons engineer. Comics him, comics him has a real job and can socially interact ok with other people when stable. When not stable....he can beat the living poo poo out of most non-super strong folks.
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May 2, 2015 05:18
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He's super Catholic, Jesus trumps your bullshit legal code. "Thou shall not beat a motherfucker into a coma, even if he has it coming" isn't on the list, and Matt is the type of person that actually WOULD want someone to beat him into a coma if he was a total piece of poo poo. So he is doing unto others. And he really, really loves the beating poo poo out of people. There is always love in his heart when he is just slamming someone's face into a wall until they develop permanent brain damage. e: Really the only thing he stresses is murder. He's fine with most things up to and including unprotected sex with lots of women. So basically he's a perfectly normal Catholic. Mulva fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 4, 2015 |
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Man that story has to be what....30, 40 years old at this point? It's literally indefensible on any conceivable level, and while it's never been explicitly retconned it is heavily ignored for how incredibly lovely it is to all the characters involved. Like it's hard to have any of your heroes be considered good guys when they just let their friend go off to be raped by her time travelling son.
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May 5, 2015 03:01
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RareAcumen posted:It just felt so obviously done before and unnecessary since we all know he's not gonna go from 'I wanted to kill Fisk when I saw him' to 'Wow, how'd I end up decapitating people with car doors?' That actually ends up happening by the way. Twice. Doubt the tv show would ever get to it, although they do have Netflix shows planned for about half the players in Shadowland which is frightening. Shadowland must never be covered. The other instance of him doing it isn't much better, but at least it's an amusing premise.
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May 27, 2015 08:13
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RareAcumen posted:Were they criminals or people who were ostensibly supposed to be on his side? Little of column A, little of column B. On the semi-regular occasions Matt snaps, he tends to really snap.
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May 27, 2015 20:07
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They should just say "swarthy" and own it.
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May 28, 2015 03:00
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Yeah the answer to "Is a Hand ninja really dead?" is "Has that ever stopped them?". Hell, it doesn't even matter if you aren't a Hand ninja. They will Mormon style convert your rear end to evil ninjaism in the grave. No fucks given. Enjoy your new demon boss!
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Except we don't have official confirmation of their MCU powersets yet. I mean, I really don't see them taking that away from Cage, but the flight ability might just be outside the budget. She's really poo poo at flight, so that might be inside their budget.
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Jul 7, 2015 07:52
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Rob Liefield I give the absolute credit of being 100% self-aware of his Rob Liefieldness, which is a lot more than you can say about some people in comics.
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Ignite Memories posted:Why is this not the go-to strategy for fighting wolverine? Because it's easier to just drown him.
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Sep 8, 2015 06:55
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Hakkesshu posted:lol if you think an Iron Fist show wouldn't just be Daredevil mk. 2 Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:20
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ImpAtom posted:Claiming something is a 'defining element of the character' when it isn't present in the television show is meaningless because the television show proved that you could tell a Daredevil story with little to none of that so-called defining element. Season 1 involved Matt Murdock being trained by a blind ninja to fight in the ninja wars, something he gets pulled into in later, ending with him going "I don't want no part of your ninja wars man". Like you can like the more understated way it was a part of his character in season 1, but it was a major part of what happened and what defined him. It was never left out, it was never really glossed over. Daredevil is a big ol' Catholic ninja. Is now and ever shall be.
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Electra, Wilson Fisk, Matt Murdoc. Who hasn't run the Hand at some point?
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SiKboy posted:2) Considering that Stick wasnt created for seventeen years after DareDevil was created, how central to the character is he really? Ehhhhh, he's part of the first real push of "Hey, lets make an actual character out of this, with depth" storytelling for the character. Rather than the wacky days of "This is my twin brother....Mike. Mike Murdoc. Who isn't blind." storytelling in ye olden days. So there is certainly a Daredevil before that point, but most of the bedrock assumptions people think of as "Daredevil" aren't really settled until then.
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