Netflix Marvel: "You are the dumbest Iron Fist yet."

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Episode 2
Really good Catholicism joke

# ¿ Apr 12, 2015 05:45

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 18:36

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moths posted:

It took me like four references and a newspaper headline before I realized that "the incident" wasn't 9/11.

But you know, in a way it is.

*****

Hey, so I feel like Vincent D'Onofrio went to some cosmetic surgeon recently and said "make me look like a little like Michael Ironside"

# ¿ Apr 12, 2015 09:43

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Episode 8 here.

Ben Zurich typing out the article against Wilson Fisk and then turning his head to see Fisk on tv preempting his expos� was way better TV than I expected.

Also:

Wilson Fisk switching to a grey suit is very basic color theory but an unexpectedly nice touch for a comic book TV series, and reflects that they've made The Kingpin into a sympathetic/tragic character by that point

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Apr 13, 2015

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 06:59

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The main villain in Daredevil isn't Wilson Fisk, it's gentrification.

Oh no! Abuela is going to be put out in the street because someone wants to put a condo and frozen yogurt shop here!

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 20:14

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Daredevil finally arrives in the alley way to find a family of five huddled together for warmth, their furniture lazily thrown around them. He was too late to save them! Broken tv, bent lamp post, couch with holes in it. Out on the sidewalk, oblivious to the family's suffering are young 20-somethings laughing and giggling as they walk arm-in-arm, eating frozen yogurt and drinking boba tea, no cares in the world. Daredevil falls to his knees in a puddle, rain coming down on his face. He clenches both fists at the sky and yells GENTRIFICATIONNNNNNNNN

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 20:22

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Stunt Rock posted:

They also implied that Asgard's Magic was really just super advanced technology. Not even in a subtle way. Thor basically outright says it.

The earliest I can recall this in Marvel is some 70's page from Dr Strange where he says almost the exact same line.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 00:16

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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:

Can we have a moment to appreciate just how loving good Scott Glenn was as Stick.

There were moments when I was watching Daredevil and I forgot that David Carradine was dead and that Scott Glenn wasn't David Carradine.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 00:19

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Hollismason posted:

Matts father - Gives Matt a drink of Whiskey
Wilsons Father - Gives him a drink of beer
Matts Father - Goal is to be a prize winning fighter and that's his ticket out.
Wilsons Father - Goal is to be a politician and that's his ticket out
Matt's Father - " Always get back up"
Wilsons Father - " Don't Stop Kicking them when their down"
Matt's Father - " Focus on my voice"
Wilsons Father - " Stair at this wall and imagine who you want to be"
Matt - Goes to a Orphanage to be raised by others
Wilson - Goes to a Farm to be raised by others
Matt- Mother is Absent
Wilson - Mother is there but absent in spirit?

Matt and Wilson are both telling the women in their lives that they'll take care of them and that they're safe

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 00:48

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Everything was going so great and then the last half hour of the last episode happened. Such a paint-by-numbers ending.

Also the costume sucks. Gimme back the black t-shirt over his head any day.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 02:01

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Okay, the last 25 minutes then

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 02:12

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Daredevil is rife with scenes and dialogue that feel like they were cribbed from other shows. Drunken Master 2 fight moves, talk of destroying a city to rebuild it better (is that Robocop or Batman Begins?), the hallway fight from Oldboy with the camera from Raid 2, the 360 rotating camera inside a car from Children of Men, the luxury porn from the Hannibal series, practically half of everything from Batman Year One. But you know what? They made it work and if they're going to copy stuff at least they copied from the best.

I still think the ending was poo poo though.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 03:27

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Desperado Bones posted:

This is loving great. Holy poo poo. I'm going to watch it again. I need to. It's so drat great. They actually made me cry with Matt's dad, Mrs. Cardenas and Ben.

This show managed to get me choked up over Kingpin. I really was not expecting that.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 03:43

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bobkatt013 posted:

You do know that Batman Year was written by Frank Miller and before that he wrote Daredevil? The show was mostly based off that run.

Sure sure, but there was stuff in Year One that I don't remember in Miller's Daredevil run that was in this show, like him being surrounded by the cops in the derelict building

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 07:01

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I can't recall if Matt killed anyone during the course of this show.

You know who's killed someone? Karen.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 17:27

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They could do something interesting about her having compromising photos of herself from college and her having to argue that it shouldn't have any bearing on her credibility as a paralegal. The show would have a chance to portray a less judgmental/more sympathetic view of women and sexuality.

But who knows, maybe it's the wrong audience to attempt something like that.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 18:59

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The real answer is who cares.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 01:44

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LORD OF BUTT posted:

I like Jeremy Renner, he's cute and he's a good Hawkeye.

Oh I didn't mean who cares about Jeremy Renner. I meant who cares where other Avengers characters are in a movie focusing on Iron Man or Captain America.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 05:56

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Light Gun Man posted:

Obviously he can detect the photonic micro heat levels of colors or some bullshit that sounds good as long as you don't try to think about it / research it.

He can sense the color force.

grumblegrumbletheflashspeedforcebullshitgrumble

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 08:23

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Deadpool posted:

I almost want to take the effort to watch the entire show with that narration on. Though I think I'd tire of it after maybe a couple episodes.

Just the fight scenes, then

Edit: hmm, description for the blind is available on computer browser but not on the iphone app

Haha, when the Netflix and Marvel titles come up, it even describes them

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 15, 2015

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 16:29

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Unmature posted:

You think they inaccurately rated their own opinion?

Yes, what they really meant was A++, right guys?

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 17:20

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Update: audio description for the blind just popped up in the iPhone app now

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 17:23

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The audio description of the fight between Matt and Wilson in episode 9 is great. If my ears had eyes they'd have this expression :stare:

As Matt stands, Fisk resumes battering him like a wrecking ball... Enraged, Fisk throws him like a bowling ball against a desk... He takes a mighty swing against Matt's ribs as he's down, and THEN goes completely savage as he beats Matt's face bloody

It looks like some episodes have audio description and some don't

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 15, 2015

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 17:34

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Narrator seems to think Sergei is pronounced Sir Gay.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 22:44

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dj_clawson posted:

No it's real. Printed braille is disappearing because of computers, actually.
http://www.baum.de/cms/en/pronto40/

There's an SA gold thread where a blind goon answers questions about this sort of thing. He blew our minds when he told us his computer had no monitor.

Where is this? I tried digging through goldmines and couldn't find a blind ask/tell

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 01:17

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Snak posted:

yeah, but Wilson's "tastes" are that he likes expensive and fine things because he considers them proof of his success. He doesn't actually know how to dress for success. But Vanessa does.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Wilson was "dressed for success" before he met Vanessa and it didn't change after they met. The point of their scene picking out suits was that the virtuous Vanessa, dressed in white, was getting the villain Fisk to ditch his usual Darth Vader blacks for a gray suit that represented his softening temperament. It's really basic color theory.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 04:52

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Xealot posted:

I don't think it's about virtue or softness, I think it's about being seen and about personal confidence. Vanessa doesn't seem to give a poo poo about how "virtuous" Wilson is; she merely wants him to "step out into the light." He doesn't stop doing criminal poo poo when he steps out, either...if anything, he becomes more ambitious.

In that sense, Wilson wearing lighter colors actually communicates how removed he is from virtue, because it speaks to his greater acceptance of who he is: the Kingpin. The black suits earlier on are him at his most reserved, his most uncomfortable and most shy, but also his most conflicted about his purpose. He's not Darth Vader, he's a sad, quiet introvert who wants to blend into shadow.

By the end of the season, he's given up on his fantasy of altruism and accepts his role as a violent criminal. And it's not coincidental he's also wearing a huge, billowy white shirt in his cell. The brighter color is him being louder, embracing his size and his power, which also happens to suggest he's embraced villainy.

I like this a lot.

I thought his Good Samaritan speech was kinda dumb at first but it's better now after reading your interpretation.

It's also neat that as Wilson the crime boss wears lighter colors against the typical criminal tradition, conversely, Daredevil is embracing the "Devil of Hell's Kitchen" identity that originally bothered him as a Catholic.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 06:20

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Normally we'd be hashing this kind of stuff out over several months but here we are cramming through all the symbolism and meaning of an entire season in less than a week

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 06:31

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I kinda liked the idea that he would keep being called the Devil of Hell's Kitchen in the news, that Wilson Fisk would never be called Kingpin, etc.

I like that in the X-Men movies Erik and Charles call each other Erik and Charles, and that Logan, Jean and Scott all go by their names. Same with Steve, Tony, Natasha and Bruce. Well, Thor is just Thor.

Something about avoiding their comic book names makes it feel like there's more focus on who their characters are. There's a feeling that they're people and they relate to each other as people, and not just as capes and colorful tights with colorful names.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 07:43

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I hate the suit.

I hate that it looks dumb.

I hate that we're losing the black t-shirt over his face, which looked way cooler.

I loved that Matt got stabbed and beaten up all the time, and the suit takes that away, which I hate.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 08:09

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Neat thing I didn't realize before about the opening titles... people have said it's a ripoff of the opening titles for the Hannibal series, and maybe it was inspired by Hannibal, but one thing they do to "own" the bloody titles is that the blood flow sort of represents Matt's vision. In the same way that the blood flows over invisible shapes to reveal an angel, a bridge and a water tower, Matt's hearing makes what were once invisible shapes to him become visible.

You can even see how even though the red paint is dripping down from above, there are ripples that move from left to right, as if affected by laterally moving soundwaves.

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 16, 2015

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 08:36

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massive spider posted:

Agreed, I like the concept of kingpin-with-a-sensitive-soul (along the idea that he professes that he doesent enjoy hurting people, while murdock states that he does and either might or might not be lying) but it got a bit much

I thought it did get a bit much with how sappy it got, but at the same time I have to admit I got choked up when Vanessa woke up in the hospital and Fisk was blaming himself for her condition.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 19:20

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Snak posted:

Vanessa pointed out that it was something a child would eat.

Nice.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 21:51

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Pretty good foreshadowing: Bill Fisk hammering a nail into the top of his head on a campaign sign

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 05:47

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dj_clawson posted:

I had to imdb it, but Fisk's douchebag dad is the douchebag cop from the Wire.

I wonder what it's like making a career out of the fact that your face just screams douchebag

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 08:14

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Bioalchemist posted:

Richard Gere was wanted by some of the production team for Kingpin.

What.... how? :stare:

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 19:45

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When he asks her out he's nervously fiddling with his cuffs and has trouble looking her in the eyes, and gives up easily. But then something happens when she goes "That's it?" Knowing that she didn't want him to give up, he musters up his courage and looks at her more directly, approaches her closely, has more engaging conversation. It's a great moment.

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Apr 19, 2015

# ¿ Apr 19, 2015 06:32

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greatn posted:

Yeah but she got an abortion in college. Matt's gonna be pissed.

How's he going to find out, is he going to smell that she had an abortion

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 08:10

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mikeraskol posted:

Taking punishment is like his core characteristic.

In fact taking punishment is where he gets his superpowers. Daredevil is a repressed BDSM lover! Blindfolds, sticks, cuts, candles, weird getups, he's quite a kink!

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 20, 2015

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 20:04

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Sorvah posted:

*Continues to read stuff about blind night ninja beating up bald fat guys*

He's not fat, he's all muscles :mad:

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 20:36

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 18:36

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As an Asian�, I grant permission to Marvel to cast a white person as an expert in Asian martial arts.

edit: In return I will expect Asians to be granted license to play experts in doing White People Things, like shooting guns

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Apr 23, 2015

# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 01:03

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