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Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



LORD OF BUTT posted:

It's a DeKnight show, I'm willing to give it at least four episodes since Spartacus didn't get watchable until the third and didn't get great until the fourth.

Pretty much this.

The review mentions that they lead with his origin and they wished it had been mixed in the middle or thereabouts. Uh, that sounds good to me. Lets get that crap out of the way as soon as possible.

Also, loved the Nolan Batman movies but I'm sick of reviewers acting like he invented the 'realistic' superhero and that everyone is now ripping it/him off.

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Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Deadpool posted:

Starjammers are almost certainly under the Fox agreement as the ties to X-Men are pretty much universal. The Starjammers are great and if Fox were smart they would have started thinking of how to get that property onscreen after Guardians of the Galaxy. They're not known for being very smart though.

Is it though? I don't think thats exactly the case. Look at how Quicksilver was in Fox's DofP and was/is appearing in marvel's A2. I read somewhere that it was possible simply by referring to either his real name or his codename and not calling him a 'mutant' which Fox had rights to. And we know Pietro's family tree.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



XboxPants posted:

It doesn't have anything to do with technicalities like that. If that was the case they would have made Spider-Man an Avenger already under the same premise.

It's because Quicksilver is largely an Avengers character, associated with that franchise as much as, if not moreso than, the X-Men franchise. When Fox made the purchase, they didn't just get a vague "everything x-men" license, they also got a very long list of specific things that do or don't fall under that umbrella. The very detailed contract that Fox and Marvel worked out apparently allowed for both of them to use a few characters like Quicksilver.

Similar things for the Fantastic Four franchise - Fox owns the specific character of the Super Skrull exclusively, but MCU is technically allowed to use the broad Skrull race if they want to so long as they don't use the characters that Fox owns.

But that's probably not the case with the Starjammers, since they're pretty much only an X-Men thing. Like, Professor X has been on the team at one point.

Well heres a link to one of the many articles made on the subject saying just what I did regarding licensing and 'mutant' fuckery: http://www.thegeektwins.com/2014/04...-x-men.html?m=1

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Andrew_1985 posted:

So.... did they?....


No, but they fight each other in the bath and roll over each other a couple times. And by bath I mean not water but getting a bunch of dudes to slather you in oil and then scraping it off with a long (phallic) piece of metal

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Rarity posted:

Matt Murdock is a lawyer, one of the best paid professions in America

His clientel are the victims and their families, and a lot of the times probono. I dont think there's many rich people living in Hells Kitchen that are hiring him.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Inkspot posted:

- What is Matt's cane budget? There are discarded canes with his DNA all over the city.

This one made me laugh. If you found some blind guys cane thrown in a heap of trash in an alley or whatever my first reaction would be to check it for DNA also. Prime suspect in any superhero/vigilante case.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Light Gun Man posted:

Obviously he can detect the photonic micro heat levels of colors or some bullshit that sounds good as long as you don't try to think about it / research it.

He can smell the dyes used on the fabrics even under the smell of detergents and so on. Hes just that good.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Sorvah posted:

I did wonder in 1x9/1x10 when DD has his confrontation with Fisk and Nobu why no-one just took a swab of his blood. I mean it was everywhere. A quick run through a DNA database and bang, Murdock is outed big styley.

Obviously one of those things you have to forgive but I'd have been all over that poo poo.

Because he isn't a criminal so I doubt they have his DNA on file as Matt Murdock blind lawyer.

Unless you really think the government has EVERYONES dna on file in a giant database. Some comedian once was talking about the show CSI and he wondered who really has a database of everyones sperm and how they got it all for everytime they find a sample at a crime scene they can just match them up.

EDIT: When I moved to a new city nobody asked me to donate a blood/sperm sample for the local police department. where the hell do you live?!

edit 2: I think the comedian was Chapelle.

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Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Sorvah posted:

If he's passed the bar in America they definitely have his fingerprints on file...but it didn't even occur anyone. Like everyone must have assumed 'this highly trained violent vigilante can't have had any criminal past, no point in checking.'

Well he does wear gloves, complete with those little hardened knuckles that you can buy. I remember there is one scene where he takes em off to feel the map of hells kitchen, but then he puts them back on.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Sorvah posted:

Yeah I meant that more as a Murdock is definitely in some system somewhere.

Look, just let me pretend I'm smarter than these fictional characters will you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbCWYm7B_B4

Forensics being used to find a suspect. Enhance!

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Terrible Horse posted:

I had a funny/depressing "I'm old" moment when Foggy said something about padawans and I was like "those were only in the prequels, which wouldn't have been out when these guys were in college!" Then I realized that these guys are probably like 25-26 and went to college in the late aughts.

Finished the series last night, loved it, but the cribbing from the Nolan movies was a bit much. Police escort scene, "make me a symbol" (which doesn't even make sense, he's not using any Devil imagery besides his little horns), Fisk vs DD being like shot-for-shot Bane vs Batman. I know Daredevil is Marvel's Batman but it was distracting sometimes.

Will we ever come to a point where a super hero movie/show can be done realistically/gritty without saying they are just ripping off Nolan?

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



bobkatt013 posted:

What makes it even better is that they are both using Frank Miller material.

Pfft. This Miller guy sounds like a nobody, otherwise why would they say "Nolan's Batman". I cant wait til Batman vs Superman comes out because that's original material... but lets face it they are gonna be cribbing Nolan again.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Snak posted:

The scene of her choosing Wilson's clothes felt like they were showing the she is what makes him the Kingpin. But she didn't do much of anything for the rest of the season, so hopefully season two (anyone who thinks there won't be one is kidding themselves) will have them be an effective power couple.


Well its not like she was picking out clothes for him from a store 'making him the Kingpin', those were already all items he purchased that fit with his tastes. Her picking them out, to me, seemed more like he was giving up a bit of power in his life (for a day) to her and may have been a little uncomfortable intrusion of his privacy/routine with breakfast but he ultimately enjoyed it.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



AbsolutelySane posted:

Doesn't he come out and say that he has to concentrate on specific things in order to filter out all of the incoming information? He doesn't just instantly sense everything. It's like being in a crowded room where everyone is talking but you only want to hear one conversation. They make it a point in the show to show you when he's doing that, but he isn't doing it all of the time.

Yeah wanted to chime in on this and say any scent left from the gun she fired would have been really obscured by the heavy scrubbing she gave herself in the shower afterwards, followed by all the alcohol she was drowning herself in, above all the other junk girls do to smell nice normally. If there was anything left to detect I'm sure he wouldn't have picked it up without trying hard to screen for it.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Wolpertinger posted:

Before ever seeing Matt she got home, got incredibly drunk, took a shower, got even more drunk, slept, and went around and did things for a while before he had a chance to get a whiff - I'm pretty sure at that point 'fired a gun' wasn't a smell he noticed. I don't think he's even just been able to flat out smell which people a person has been in contact with either, or even recognize most people he doesn't know well by smell alone, even in the comics, unless the person had some really distinguishing and obvious smell for some reason (like Mr Bad Cologne).

Phylodox posted:

He smelled Foggy's lunch from three days ago.

Drifter posted:

Foggy hadn't brushed his teeth or changed his clothes. He's a mess.

Drifter posted:

No dude, he wasn't lying or exaggerating. He was literally saying he could smell his food. You people come up with the weirdest things.

Snak posted:

But he didn't say he could smell his food. He said he knew what he ate for lunch three days ago. Is there an implication that he can tell by smell what Foggy ate three days ago? Yes. Is there any hard evidence, to us, the viewer, that Matt Murdock is able to smell what someone had for lunch three days ago? No. That's all I'm saying. Normally, poo poo like this wouldn't matter. But this is a comic book discussion, which inevitably will at some point involve discussing the specific nature of what Daredevil can and cannot do. So I was just pointing out that the line of reasoning "Showering won't stop Matt from smelling gunshot residue based on the fact that Matt can still smell what you ate three days ago" is making a lot of assumptions.

If we're going to discuss this we should atleast get the facts right. I did something really silly like watched the episode again and what he said was:
Foggy hadn't showered in a day and a half
He did wash his face in Matt's sink
Matt could smell the ONIONS he had in his lunch 2 days ago.

So he did say he smelled his food, helped by the fact that foggy hadn't done his hygiene routine in the last 2 days.

Could he smell the gunpowder on Karen, now I doubt it cause apparently Matt could only go back 2 days with Foggy since he hadnt showered, whereas Karen cleaned up and boozed up.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Vag Assault Weapon posted:

He's sort of right about the child actor, I haven't seen one so bad since Daniel Radcliffe in early Harry Potter movies.

I think the main thing I disliked wasn't the actual fighting or the costume, I mean yeah the costume was bad but what really made it look like rear end was every time he started using the dual batons. The way he held them just looked so comically stupid, pun intended.

Hey man cut the guy a break, he learned to fight from a blind guy. I doubt he could check his form very well. Also practicing in front of a mirror was probably out.

Edit:

Matt: Stick are you a black belt?
Stick: How the hell should I know?

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Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Hells Kitchen chat: I really liked that they tied the movies to the tv series in that detail. The Avengers are smashing stuff all the time while guys like Kingpin are following in the wake of the do-gooders and founding their empires by capitalizing on it.

It gives me hope that with all the Hydra agents in Shield being exposed and jailed/killed with regular Shield agents who are also being killed, somewhere out there both organizations are trying to rebuild their numbers and some amnesiac wearing a skull mask and white cape is offering to train troops for either.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Koalas March posted:

Actually having a majority black cast is it's own statement when black people are severely underrepresented I'm television and film. Scandal was the first show to have a black female lead in almost 40 years. This show was created for us, full stop.

The show unapologetically black. Each beat deals with a different issue. It resonated with me in a way a show hasn't in a long time.

Next up is Iron Fist which should be an equal leap forward for one of the other most underrepresented (positively) people in television and film, Asians.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Amstrad posted:

My gripe: Dimondback introduces the Judas 2.0 bullets, and there's a bunch of drama building up to the cops getting them.. but why does he never get any of the mass produced ones for himself? Or for the goons at the nightclub for that matter? All he had left at that point was one original Judas round, which he of course misses with. Meanwhile all those guys who blasted Luke multiple times with normal bullets could have been loaded down with the 2.0's and that would have been that.

Diamondback tries to kill Luke and manages to get two shots in him but doesn't kill him so he changes his business plan. He turns Judas bullets into the 2.0 version which he plans to sell via proxy to the cops, then runs around framing Luke and creating public concern and fear thus creating the demand by the cops to obtain them. If he loaded up his goons he would be wasting tons of money to do a job the cops will do for free while paying him handsomely for the tools to do it. And even if the cops don't kill Luke he's got a super-suit waiting for him he can use to finish him personally.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Amstrad posted:

This makes a certain amount of sense. But it does seem to run slightly counter to the idea of Dimondback being out for revenge. He otherwise seems like a very hands on kind of guy when it comes to Luke, so for him to start going into convoluted plotting rather than just shooting the poo poo out of Luke personally feels off.

I think because it was personal that Diamondback became directly involved with going after Luke with the Judas bullets and nearly killing him (and that was why he didn't want Lukes past coming to light right away, as I recall Shades was upset that info was being used since it might have spooked Luke into disappearing). And when Luke is gone to get cured Diamondback saw to his mind that Luke was a coward who ran off again he got a bit more clear-headed and went after his larger business plans. When Luke returns he is still thinking clearly and figures the cops will kill him and when they don't he suits up to finish the job.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



STAC Goat posted:

Yeah, and he did the prison fights. So he knows how to fight to some extent of another That's just different from like the dozen characters with concentrated martial arts training with the explicit purpose of becoming soldiers in some ninja war.

That's actually something I kind of overlooked. Danny and Matt basically were both trained since childhood to fight the Hand. Stick might not have anything to do with Kun Lun but their purpose seems to be the same. And of course Collen was trained to be on the other side of that war. I don't imagine she'll factor big into Defenders but I'd me mildly curious to see what Stick and Matt think of her origin story.

Matt wouldn't give a poo poo I dont think. To start with he was trained by Stick for a few years maybe, but Stick left when Matt started making him friendship bracelets and looking at him like a father-figure, so after that he pretty much trained on his own so far as we know so he didn't really get brainwashed into the war like Electra. Matt also never put much stock in Stick's 'war is coming' stuff either and even after the Hand and Nobu and all that crap happened he remained skeptical of Stick's bigger picture.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



STAC Goat posted:

Well that's what I think would be interesting. Just seeing them all come together and say "Wait, you were trained from childhood for the same war I was trained since childhood for? That's weird. Lets talk." And Colleen coming from the other side of it. See if Stick has a connection to Kun Lun. What his opinion of Hand sects is.

I don't think Matt would turn on Colleen like Davos did but I imagine he'd be intrigued by the connection they all have and all this Hand stuff they're mixed up in. With Matt largely thinking its nonsense, Danny being a true believer until recently, and Colleen being a true believer who has realized she was on the wrong side and lied to, its three unique takes from roughly the same beginning.

Again, Matt wasn't trained from childhood for the war. He started training and then Stick left when he was still a child. So its not a perspective he can speak from/about. EDIT: and the reason he has a hard time buying into the war and everything else I mentioned before.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Spermanent Record posted:

Actually, the reason the Danny's power (and overall character) is completely inconsistent is that the fights were really badly conceived, prepared, shot and executed under the supervision of a guy that thought the best way to end Dexter would be to have him throw his sister (who briefly became a drug addict then wanted to have sex with him but then didn't) off a boat, leave his beloved son with a serial poisoner and run away to become a lumberjack).

Yeah I'm not going to accept an in-world explanation either. They screwed up.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Netflix Iron Fist apologists.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Gorgeous Mohammad posted:

I just finished Iron Fist and enjoyed it. It's not the greatest show ever but it is about as quality as anything else related to comic books. Is the criticism just goons and critics trying their hardest to hate something or am I going to be blown away with the other Marvel shows?

You watched iron fist first?

You'll be blown away then because IF was a big step down in every department. It's not people making GBS threads on it for no reason or an unfair comparison with Marvel's big budget cinematic universe, they set a standard with the other Netflix shows and dropped the ball with IF.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Don't want to open a huge can of worms here, but what order do you recommend people watch Star Wars in Gorgeous Mohammad?

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



Zzulu posted:

Marvel is making GBS threads the bed on these TV shows

Daredevil S1 was so promising

Netflix needs to send a truckload of cash, hookers, and blow to Steven S DeKnight's house and make him the Marvel Netflix Czar.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



It was better than the first season but mostly because of everything not Danny. I really wish that when Davos got the dragon's heart he was able to do the full body glow of Iron Fists past, even if for a few seconds, just to show how lovely Danny is.

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Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005



PaybackJack posted:

One thing I liked in this regard is that Daredevil never beats up Bullseye by the end. In every brawl they have Bullseye is continually shown to be the better fighter and Daredevil is repeatedly saved by the intervention of others. I thought that was a nice touch, particularly if they want to bring him back.

Matt was dominating the fights when it went hand to hand, and Matt mentions that the problem with fighting with Bullseye was closing the distance. He even starts wearing the Muay Thai ropes to increase the close-up damage he was doing. Bullseye was great at playing to his strengths though and throwing things, like scissors.

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