Netflix Marvel: "You are the dumbest Iron Fist yet."

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

The bad guys kept hinting at something from her past that they could dredge up, did that get revealed and I missed it or is it still unknown?

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 18:14

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 09:18

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Valeyard posted:

There was a scene where Kingpin's men flat out said they had a video of her doing "some shady stuff in her college years" or whatever

Are you sure you aren't thinking about what they said they had over the juror in episode 3?

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 18:48

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

She killed a guy, y'all.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 19:05

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

What about that Keanu Reeves one from last year.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 19:52

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Aphrodite posted:

Keanu Reeves is Asian.

But is he Asian enough?

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 19:54

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

All the people crying in the above picture have killed waaaay more than 3k people each.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 22:46

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Sorvah posted:

Reminds me of a question asked by a random EMTin..again, civil war I think. They were at Stamford and they were taling about when it becomes Spidermans fault that the Green Goblin kills people because he keeps sending them to prison, they keep breaking out and seeking revenge, then he sends them back to the prison they just broke out of etc

This is the whole moral dilemma Matt faces with regards to Wilson Fisk.

32MB OF ESRAM posted:

Oh my god doom crying... Yeah this is what I was thinking happened "We threaten the entire planet on a regular basis but 2000 Americans? My god...the horror..."

Also is that Magneto just...like doing nothing? Can he not lift beams that have been melted to pure molten metal from the heat of jet fuel??

Magneto knows that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, thus they must not be made of a ferrous metal.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 22:49

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

e X posted:

Did Magneto turn New York into a concentration camp before or after this?

After. Because he forgot about 9/11 you see.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 00:18

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Has anyone seen a bad review of this show?

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 04:58

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Hollismason posted:

I posted one a few pages back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/04/13/daredevils-vigilante-injustices-come-at-the-wrong-time/

Yeah bit this is a bullshit thinkpiece by someone who barely glanced at the show.

I guess I'm saying: I'm glad it's getting universal acclaim, because it kinda had to.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 05:37

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Red Letter Media really ruined internet criticism.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 15:53

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

BiggerBoat posted:

The AV Club gave it a B- which I guess isn't exactly "bad" but I still think is unfair and inaccurate.

One guy did. They got another guy doing the episode-by-episode reviews and he's given it A-/B+s so far.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 17:23

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

The only thing I don't really like about it is the black face plate. I recognize that you can't just stick dudes in spandex no matter how cut they are. What looks good on the page doesn't necessarily look good in real life.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 16:39

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

This is neat:

Source
The original

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 16:50

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

I have never seen a name origin story that made any kind of organic sense.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 16:54

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Gaz-L posted:

I liked the knots Whedon tied himself into to try and make 'Avengers' make sense. Considering in Avengers #1 it's literally because Wasp thinks it sounds cool.

X-men are by far the worst about this.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 16:57

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

mr.capps posted:

We all know Xavier is lying about not naming the team after himself.

Whoa! Codenames in the field!

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 17:02

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Captain Marvel.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 17:40

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Fuckin' every topic even tangentially related to comics ends up in a huge argument about Batman.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 18:02

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Shageletic posted:

Its been a trip reading the comments in this thread, especially from the people not familiar with the material. Its great to hear differing impressions. I wouldn't personally want to change the costume, but I can see where that argument is coming from, and its an interesting one.

This right here is arguing for something a whole lot less complex. See, the reason why people are flipping out over Wisk in this thread is because of how unusual the guy is in action stuff like this. How many times have you seen "cold" or "calculating". And that's it for the character?

What you call a half-baby I call a character with several layers, all vying to come out on top depending on the situation and context. The fact that he isn't the most cold blooded thing out there makes him MORE dangerous. Every person that interacted with him picked up on that. This was a guy to not be hosed with, because he's an explosion waiting to happen, and god help you if you're in its path. He's not just "cool". He's loving interesting, and one of, in not the most, interesting character in a Marvel film/series yet.

Another facet I dug was the corruption he represented, from the trial of the assassin onwards. I LOVED that thing Urich wrote about powerful people not needing to follow the rules everyone else does, that their own needs and desires are the only thing that matters. And yes, the middle class (and I guess everyone else) suffering for it. That's some nice thematic ground for a show about a flipping guy wailing on undesirables to cover.

EDIT: Here's a nice test to figure out whether your character is actually complex. What do they do on their offhours? Red Skull/Loki/etc, no idea. But Fisk? Sitting in a dark corner of his lonely penthouse blankly staring at multimillion dollar works of horrifying childhood imagery.

I really really liked the scene where Urich was beginning his Fisk expose and it's full of these cliched "mega hit piece that takes down the villian" story beats and then bam, Fisk is right there on TV saying almost the exact same poo poo but with a positive spin and Urich just deletes his story.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 19:14

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Grem posted:

Man, what did Fisk's mom eat every night at the nursing home? Zuppo? Cause I Google'd Zuppo and....well I guess I can see why it'd be hard for an old lady to leave that behind.

I must have heard that wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuppa_Inglese

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 21:31

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Daredevil was the second most pirated show after GoT last week which goes to show that even if you offer something cheap and easy to get people will still steal it.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 15:40

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Hmmmm

I'm linking it because it's the barest of comics spoilers.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 15:48

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Oh yeah, one thing that our "barriers to season 2" speculation has missed is that the MCU might snatch them up.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 15:55

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Comic book Kingpin is more like a standard underworld crime boss badguy who does things for power and money reasons.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 17:25

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Whether or not you like Kingpin on the show (and I do) I don't think anyone can argue it's an interesting and bold direction for Netflix to take with a well-established character right out of the gate.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 18:45

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Honestly my biggest problem with the series is that he beats information out of like 10 people. It's not even a thing about superheroes using torture, it's just, he can do other stuff as well. Come up with a new story beat guys.

McNerd posted:

Yeah, it's kind of crazy that that puts him into a tier with actual superheroes though.

Then again, Daredevil seems to be on a pretty low tier himself; he gets tazed by old men, and occasionally has a pretty hard time even one-on-one against random hoodlums. Comics folks: is he always like this? Do you think he's up for some sort of powerup in the near future, or is he just going to keep biting off more than he can chew forever? It was cool for this one season where he got really invested in this war with Fisk but it could start to get silly after a while.

Remember when he beat up a hallway full of Russian toughs.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 19:23

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Shageletic posted:

So Daredevil seems to be reaching cultural mass out in the real world. Hanging out in my local shady bar last Saturday, and every random dude was talking about it, even guys I'm pretty sure don't have regular access to a TV, computer, or electricity.

I was curious about that myself. Cultural cachet is huge for sub services, HBO loves it when one of their shows breaks into the Zeitgeist and SNL and Sesame Street start doing parodies of it. HoC and OtiNB have had their share of that, but I haven't seen much of DD out there, though it is early yet. I know it's doing well in internet nerd circles, and I hope that it will resonate with a mainstream audience.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 02:29

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Shageletic posted:

Capone was a syphillitic halfwit.

^^^ It's only been a week. Wait for it to show up on SNL or something in a few days or something. How long did Orange is the New Black take to hit?

Well, to my mind, both it and HoC were pushed harder by Netflix marketing and the entertainment media machine. OitNB due to its subject matter and minority cast generated a lot of thinkpieces about the political hot button issues it was handling (that and being good of course). HoC was Netflix's first entree into the prestige drama arena and starred two A listers, so it got a lot of buzz due to that.

Netflix's marketing strategy is weird to me, I don't know who they reach out to. Take Bloodline for example: it's a show stacked top to bottom with serious talent, and they spent eight months shooting it on location. But most people had no idea it was coming out. They were a bit better than that with DD. Though, who am I to question the marketing strategy of an unbelievably successful company like Netlfix, obviously.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 02:42

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

surc posted:

So, I thought this show was awesome, but seriously?

"Oh cool, Ben Urich, and he's black in the show. The marvel universe has always been pretty white, and Ben has parts in all sorts of stories, so this is a great way to try and fix that!"
*Ben Urich killed off before Daredevil is even Daredevil*
....

Luke Cage bro.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 15:27

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Deadpool posted:

Steven DeKnight mentioned that Marvel requested to have Ben killed in the show before the part was even cast. They cast Vondie knowing ahead of time he was going to die and they could get him for one season.

That's odd, I wonder what's behind that. I was kind of hoping that we'd see Ulrich across all five series as he has ties to street level stories but nope!

Also Chris Samnee, who draws the DD comic with writer Mark Waid, tried his hand at Netflix DD.

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 21, 2015

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 16:14

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

bobkatt013 posted:

I assume since you think that he is safe and has plot armor.

Sure, but that seems more like a show-level choice rather than an "editorial" level choice.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 16:18

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Deadpool posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkmgPlK0ABQ

Well there you go.

Also Steven DeKnight looks like a gay porn star.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 16:25

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Stumpus posted:

I guess I'm not really looking at it in a series perspective.

Still though, there was a theme about whether a hero should kill or not. Fisk's violence was explained by a troubled past and a jacked up mother and father. Murdock was not a killer because superhero. It would have been nice to have that theme come to a close with some force and, ironically, I think it would have been best served by having Fisk die.

That would've totally undermined the central theme of "how can I deal with this guy without killing him".

I mean he wrestles with killing him the whole season and then to have Fisk die, whether by Matt's hand or not, completely obviates that whole conflict.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 17:20

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Spoilers about Jessica Jones:
She was a former B-list superhero who went to school with Peter Parker and go her powers from a truck spilling toxic waste on her. She had pretty generic flight, invulnerability and strength powers and went by the name Jewel. She was mind controlled for a long time by a villian called The Purple Man, who at the end of it forced her to go after the Avengers. She punches Scarlet Witch and Thor and Vision go berserk on her and after all the fallout clears she decides she doesn't want to be a superhero anymore. So she vows to not use her powers and becomes a PI that works street level super heroey cases.

I don't know how much they are going to change it for the series because a lot of her character arc works because she was this background character that no one knew about among the vast and deep Marvel Universe. But with how shallow the MCU is in terms of actual existing superheroes, I don't see how you adapt that, so I'd expect some serious changes. For one thing she's best friends with Jessica Drew and Carol Danvers, and I don't think either of those characters are gonna be in the show.

McNerd posted:

Apparently an indefinite coma is acceptable, though? He should have just taken Fisk up to a rooftop and thrown him in a dumpster.

Let's talk about character arcs and how actions and beliefs change over time.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 17:29

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

The Sharmat posted:

Jessica Jones sounds like a potentially really interesting character concept that would be incredibly hard to actually execute.

I've got faith after Daredevil though.

All of Alias is collected in an omnibus so she's real easy to catch up on if you're interested.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 17:33

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Do what you want, but Alias was the first comic I ever read as an adult and it's loving amazing.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 17:36

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

bobkatt013 posted:

They have Patty Walker in it instead.

Yeah I know. But it's probably going to have to change the most from the source material to fit into the MCU.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 18:31

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Snak posted:

~$70 is a little steep...

What about Iron Fist? He sounds like a big departure from what current TV/Movie Marvel feels like. Is there recommended reading for Iron Fist?

Immortal Iron Fist hands down.

Marvel Unlimited is running a free month promo because they added a bunch of Star Wars comics, so you can sign up for free and read like, almost all the back catalog. It's great on a tablet. (no Alias though).

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 18:34

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 09:18

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

mr.capps posted:

If Dazzler could somehow be in this as well, this show would have my three favorite comic book super heroines.

Whoa the worlds only Hellcat fan.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 18:38

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