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ZombieLenin posted:Through the Mogami you'll want IFHE (I actually did not use it on the Mogami, but statsicallunits your best bet). Unfortunately starting at Tier IX IFHE becomes useless... ...What. No, aside from 155 Mogami, from T5 on up the uses of IFHE on IJN cruisers are so situational that it is not remotely a skill you want.
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RIP t7 Mogami with AFT and BFT.
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applied to DUNKN from UNCUT so I can do CBs and get mad free xp w/ my Hindenburg
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Heartcatch posted:RIP t7 Mogami with AFT and BFT. With those fast, well-armored turrets. 
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Darkrenown posted:I don't think it's specifically that, it's more a rework of how pens work which should make penning DDs much less common, but they also have to check it doesn't make anything else OP/poo poo in the process. IIRC they said new damage model will have that if a shell never makes a pen check (aka: if a shell only ever overpens every armor plate it hits), it will never arm. So that should make it effectively impossible for BB shells to ever normally pen a DD, barring the rare case that DDs are hit with underwater pens from BBs (which have armed from hitting the water).
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More dumb questions. I am leveling up Kraut DD. Do the 150mm gun upgrade do much on Gaede?
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kaesarsosei posted:Well if you think of it, in WoWS my MB hit rate with BBs is something like 28-30%. I suspect IRL the figures were less than 10% of that (for the times when they could even get in a position to shoot). And that was against ships that were hugely less maneuverable than they appear in WoWS. The examples of Scharnhorst/Warpsite are regarded as exceptional but in-game if a BB is sailing in a straight line at a steady speed at that range I would give myself a 50/50 of making that shot from a Yamato. You are correct. During long range practice by the USN in the late 1920s at around 30k yards the hit rate was about 7%. This was actually considered very good. Lord Koth posted:...What. No, aside from 155 Mogami, from T5 on up the uses of IFHE on IJN cruisers are so situational that it is not remotely a skill you want. Would you use anything other than 155s on the Mogami? I hope your answer is no. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Hazdoc posted:IIRC they said new damage model will have that if a shell never makes a pen check (aka: if a shell only ever overpens every armor plate it hits), it will never arm. So that should make it effectively impossible for BB shells to ever normally pen a DD, barring the rare case that DDs are hit with underwater pens from BBs (which have armed from hitting the water). This would actually be a huge buff to the Nuremberg and its 20 mm citadel top.
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wdarkk posted:This would actually be a huge buff to the Nuremberg and its 20 mm citadel top. overpens on citadels still count as citadel hits no?
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MikeC posted:overpens on citadels still count as citadel hits no? No they have to arm and detonate to do a citadel hit.
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Oct 22, 2017 01:27
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orange juche posted:No they have to arm and detonate to do a citadel hit. thats strange I have had overpen ribbons count as citadels
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MikeC posted:thats strange I have had overpen ribbons count as citadels Each shell can only cause one ribbon (aside from module incapacitation ribbons). If you fire one shell and it's a citadel, just that ribbon will show up. What happened in your case was a citadel and an overpen, caused by a minimum of two shell hits.
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MikeC posted:More dumb questions. I am leveling up Kraut DD. Do the 150mm gun upgrade do much on Gaede?
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ZombieLenin posted:
Nowhere there did I remotely say that. It was purely a correction to you, accidentally or not, claiming someone building an IJN cruiser captain should be taking it for the entire line, bar Ibuki and Zao. Aside from a captain specialized on 155 Mogami, or a seal clubber in a Kuma, there is effectively no reason why any IJN cruiser captain should ever be mounting that skill.
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Lord Koth posted:...What. No, aside from 155 Mogami, from T5 on up the uses of IFHE on IJN cruisers are so situational that it is not remotely a skill you want. So are you saying you do not want IFHE on the Mogami? I chose not to retrain my captain to this, but I got a lot of poo poo for it.
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ZombieLenin posted:So are you saying you do not want IFHE on the Mogami? I chose not to retrain my captain to this, but I got a lot of poo poo for it. IFHE would be 'optimal' for it. Or run the 203s I guess? I don't know I'm on the Myoko. Unless you give up guns in the turrets and I'm missing something about the differences between the 155s and 203s.
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El Disco posted:With those fast, well-armored turrets.  MikeC posted:More dumb questions. I am leveling up Kraut DD. Do the 150mm gun upgrade do much on Gaede? This is a trap. Do not use the 150mm guns until Z-23.
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What are the general rule-of-thumb skills for each class? Doesn't pretty much everything take Concealment Expert? When would you say RP is a good skill for destroyers? I never feel like I am making the most of it.
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I continue to do my best work in the worst ships in the game: 
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I though CVs were cancer before.....leveling DDs somehow makes me hate them more
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:What are the general rule-of-thumb skills for each class? Doesn't pretty much everything take Concealment Expert? When would you say RP is a good skill for destroyers? I never feel like I am making the most of it. As a general rule of thumb, yes, most ships heavily benefit from Concealment Expert. However, some ships generally don't use it because other skills are more useful. Secondary build German battleships and mainline Russian destroyers being the main examples here, though French cruisers can at least consider skipping it as well. By RP do you mean Radio Location? It can be useful to most destroyers, but just how useful depends on the specific line - US and German ones probably want it quickly, but it's less of a priority for IJN ones - though still useful. Once again, Russian main line destroyers are an exception and can probably skip it. Other rules of thumb? -Battleships and destroyers near unilaterally really want Superintendent if they can fit it. Some cruiser lines really want it as well, though it's a luxury for others. Always at least a decent choice though. -Direction Center is a fairly useful skill for those cruiser lines that carry planes, and can be useful to battleships as well - though due to the lower loiter time on battleship planes there are other options. -I personally tend to like running Preventative Maintenance on most ships, not just destroyers, so as to reduce the likelihood of guns being disabled, but it's reasonably skippable on battleships in particular if you want. -Fire Prevention is a good skill for battleships, but I always seem to have other skills strike me as more important at the time whenever I'm considering it. Play around with it as you will. I don't consider it particularly useful for anything else. -Survivability Expert is mostly worthless for anything other than destroyers. There's an edge case to be made for Zao, but the hope there is that its HP will be pushed back up with the rest of the T10 cruisers at some point - it really should not have less HP than goddamn light cruisers.
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kaesarsosei posted:IMO literally every BB AP hit on any DD should be an overpen. kaesarsosei posted:Tbh I would go further and remove the ability of BBs to citadel cruisers too but 80% of the BB playerbase couldn't handle that. EDIT:Oh and Okt. Revolutsiya. Its seems to be good at tier 5. Very respectable armament and decent speed. That turret placement doe. Lady Morgaga fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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I also bought the October Revolution and enjoy it. Because I'm a huge idiot who only makes bad decisions I bought the 40 euro version which bumped up my doubloon count to 5250. Anyone have suggestions on which other premiums I might want to buy? Nothing insanely demanding or complicated, I'm still learning the game.
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Scharnhorst does a little of everything fairly well and is a very popular ship.
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Ill second Scharnhorst. And add Atago.
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What was the general thought on the Kutuzov? It's fun, but is the smoke changes making it pointless? I have fun with it, but it's not 100%. Have some time left, is this a sell? Atago is 10k, could swap I guess,, eh?
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Lady Morgaga posted:This I agree with. It should be at least tried to see how it works. I would wholehearted support this game becoming World of Cruisers.
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Yeah removing the ability of BBs to citadel cruisers is probably a step too far but I would still like to see something. Even the last time I div'd with Burt, an enemy Moskva got spotted at about 20km from his Montana and he hit him for about 50k. The Moskva shouldn't be expected to have to do wild evasive maneuoevering 1min into a game after being spotted from 15km. Oktober is a surprisingly good ship, its reassuring that its good but well balanced unlike the Orion and Iron Duke HE monstrosities. If the Imperator Nikolai is really the same ship at T4 then I can see how it is regarded as being so OP. However I am having loving terrible luck in it. Midtierweekend.jpg:  Midtierweekend(1).jpg: 
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The game is skewed to World of Battleships end of things too far but I remember times when there were only USN and IJN in game when (at least at lower tiers) when game sorta was World of Cruisers. When I could sail in the open in my Omaha 8-10 km from battleship setting fires and chipping at his health with pretty much complete impunity. I think we dont want things like that in game as well. I would be happy with something between we have now and what we had then.
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Trip report. The triple yamato multibox div works much better on paper than in practice. The difference between driving one and driving 3 at the same time is I get to see 3 times as many overpens and missed shells.
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One of the most satisfying games I've had considering the state of the MM. Don't think I've ever seen a match before with only 1 ship bottom tier.
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Burt posted:I would wholehearted support this game becoming World of Cruisers. It already was in the first year and it was a million times worse than world of bbs. Nothing but hill humping and nonstop kiting, never any real fights. If retarded sniper bbs do anything it’s keep the backlines clear and force everybody else to actually fight.
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I have a hard time believing anything could be worse than the current state of the game: all of those bbs are 75% health how fun!
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kaesarsosei posted:Yeah removing the ability of BBs to citadel cruisers is probably a step too far but I would still like to see something. Even the last time I div'd with Burt, an enemy Moskva got spotted at about 20km from his Montana and he hit him for about 50k. The Moskva shouldn't be expected to have to do wild evasive maneuoevering 1min into a game after being spotted from 15km. Where do you get these endless streams of absurd stories. These things never happen. 20km shell flight times are close to 10 seconds if not more. Not sailing straight for 10 continuous seconds once priority target lights up isn't a lot to ask.
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People do it anyways though!! Then stuff like this happens:  First blood was 43k volley on an Amagi followed up by a 33k volley because if there's one thing I know it's that after eating 43k damage you should definitely just keep sailing straight on in a line and DEFINITELY don't stop behind the island you just gained cover from.
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MikeC posted:These things never happen. The hell they don't.
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MikeC posted:Where do you get these endless streams of absurd stories. These things never happen. 20km shell flight times are close to 10 seconds if not more. Not sailing straight for 10 continuous seconds once priority target lights up isn't a lot to ask. I can send you the replay for this if you want? And it was a Grosse Deutchland, not a Montana, a DD spotted a Moskva at the other side of the map, 22km from me, so I popped a spotter plane and fired my first volley of the game and hit him with 4 citadels at 23.6km for 50k damage. I don't think think I even locked target, but if I did he probably thought it was one of the DDs. Pretty sure he wasn't expecting what came next, so yeah, these things do happen.
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There are six times as many battleships in the queue I'm currently in as every other ship class combined. Obviously it is completely balanced, in fact battleships are probably the worst class because a torpedo hit me once.
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