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Prince John
Jun 19, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?



DOOP posted:

So what makes this case different than McLaren taking Sergio Perez' Carlos Slim money and then telling him to gently caress off a year later. Specific contract details for VdG and not Perez?

I don't know the specifics of Perez's case, but the smaller teams tend to agree sponsorship deals annually, so perhaps he'd only paid for 1 year?

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the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Perez actually got to race. And McLaren would've been in a position to refund his money if it was a multi year contract. I think that's the main difference here.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






Wait, is VdG suing because he paid for a contract for 2015 that wasn't upheld? Or is he suing about being sacked after the end of a previous year?

Prince John
Jun 19, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?



DOOP posted:

Wait, is VdG suing because he paid for a contract for 2015 that wasn't upheld? Or is he suing about being sacked after the end of a previous year?

He's supposed to have a 2015 contract that isn't being upheld. The court has ruled he should be racing at this race.

Sulman
Apr 29, 2003

What did you do that for?

DOOP posted:

Wait, is VdG suing because he paid for a contract for 2015 that wasn't upheld? Or is he suing about being sacked after the end of a previous year?

Given his motivation Sauber almost certainly took a load of money then told him to gently caress off. I think they tried this with Silvestro, but her management were sharper.

Edit: Can't see Kaltenborn lasting the month. Her tenure has not been good.

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006



He paid upfront to race this season, they spent his money then reeled the punter in.

Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

Sulman posted:

Given his motivation Sauber almost certainly took a load of money then told him to gently caress off. I think they tried this with Silvestro, but her management were sharper.

Edit: Can't see Kaltenborn lasting the month. Her tenure has not been good.

no, i think simona didn't have the funding of these other drivers.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






Prince John posted:

He's supposed to have a 2015 contract that isn't being upheld. The court has ruled he should be racing at this race.

Oh this makes sense

Though VdG was suing over some routine end-of-season termination.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?


Catch up

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19961

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


How many driver changes are allowed legally?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


Hello, Carol? Itís Alan. How are you? Me? Iím having a fantastic time, yeah. Iím having the best time sinceÖ sliced bread.

Howís Mr. Planet of the Apes man? Oh. Is he still driving that Renault Megane?

Yeah, can I just read you something from Top Gear magazine? No, itís alright, Iíve got it here, Iíve got it here.

"With a mere ninety brake-horse-power available, progress is too leisurely to be called fast, but on the motorway in fifth gear the Meganeís slow pace really becomes a pain. Uphill runs become power-sappingly mundane, while overtaking National Express coaches can become a long, drawn-out affair.Ē


Not my words, Carol. The words of Top Gear magazine. Hello?

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?


Human Grand Prix posted:

How many driver changes are allowed legally?


They can have 4 in a season, right? I think. One of the failing teams ran into that problem last year, Marussia maybe.

Sulman
Apr 29, 2003

What did you do that for?

be nice wicka posted:

no, i think simona didn't have the funding of these other drivers.

As I understand it, she pushed Sauber for the test days in exchange for the sponsorship $ from Nuclear Clean Air Energy, which they agreed to. They also (her Sponsors, that is) wanted a race deal, and that was the sticking point. Kaltenborn's words were typical F1:

quote:

"We had to make a certain call; we did that, and I still would like to support her whatever way I can," Kaltenborn added.

"For that reason I said 'let's give it time and wait and see what we can do'.

"I don't know if we can do something for her, but I think it's worthwhile to take that time out and at least evaluate different options.

"I think a lot depends on her management, where they stand and what their plans are."


I think the last line is the clue. It was money.

It may be true to say they didn't have enough for what Sauber wanted, but this all happened in the context of Sauber's driver disputes, and I don't think it's a reach to suggest what Di Silvestro's team wanted were more concrete guarantees of 2015 plans.

Brainwrong
Mar 20, 2004

RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.


JFairfax posted:


Not my words, Carol. The words of Top Gear magazine. Hello?

If Partridge was an F1 fan, he'd McLaren through and through.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



McLaren Honda is probably the closest we'll get to seeing a British Leyland F1 team. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Brainwrong
Mar 20, 2004

RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.


1500quidporsche posted:

McLaren Honda is probably the closest we'll get to seeing a British Leyland F1 team. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Popular but very badly made, run by idiots and destined to fail?

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


1500quidporsche posted:

McLaren Honda is probably the closest we'll get to seeing a British Leyland F1 team. Enjoy it while it lasts.

This happened. Sorta. Also ironically enough they were using Cosworths.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Human Grand Prix posted:

This happened. Sorta. Also ironically enough they were using Cosworths.

The Cosworth engines were a fountain of power and reliability compared to this engine though.

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012



Now we know the truth; Samurai Alonso realised in Spain just how bad the new McLaren was and so committed seppuku in turn three.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one


1500quidporsche posted:

McLaren Honda is probably the closest we'll get to seeing a British Leyland F1 team. Enjoy it while it lasts.

As a Midlander, I am now conflicted.

Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

Sulman posted:

As I understand it, she pushed Sauber for the test days in exchange for the sponsorship $ from Nuclear Clean Air Energy, which they agreed to. They also (her Sponsors, that is) wanted a race deal, and that was the sticking point. Kaltenborn's words were typical F1:


I think the last line is the clue. It was money.

It may be true to say they didn't have enough for what Sauber wanted, but this all happened in the context of Sauber's driver disputes, and I don't think it's a reach to suggest what Di Silvestro's team wanted were more concrete guarantees of 2015 plans.

i just find it really, really hard to believe that simona can match the funding levels of bianchi/ferrari, nasr/banco do brasil, ericsson/shady backers, and van der garde/billionaire family. i love simona but they are all far more proven drivers with, at least in theory, much more money behind them.

ALSO, here's some comedy we've all forgotten about : in 2007 van der garde signed a contract to be super aguri's test driver, then reneged on it and signed with spyker. so he's not, in fact, a beautifully innocent angel

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


Are you alright?

Aqualung
Oct 10, 2005

Don't worry guys, Ron knows the guy who drives the crane.



be nice wicka posted:

ALSO, here's some comedy we've all forgotten about : in 2007 van der garde signed a contract to be super aguri's test driver, then reneged on it and signed with spyker. so he's not, in fact, a beautifully innocent angel

Spyker also screwed him over, and he sued them and won.

El Hefe
Oct 31, 2006

You coulda had a V8/
Instead of a tre-eight slug to yo' cranium/
I got six and I'm aimin' 'em/
Will I bust or keep you guessin'

I'm pretty sure VDG didn't take any money from Super Aguri or else they'd have sued him too.

Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

Aqualung posted:

Spyker also screwed him over, and he sued them and won.



how so?

El Hefe posted:

I'm pretty sure VDG didn't take any money from Super Aguri or else they'd have sued him too.

the two teams settled out of court

Big Huski Boi fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2015 around 16:34

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000


be nice wicka posted:

i own a honda
I work on Hondas. Their engineers are arrogant jerkoffs.

CratSock
Aug 5, 2004

Sock Wielding Assassin



be nice wicka posted:

i own a honda

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

I work on Hondas. Their engineers are arrogant jerkoffs.

Apparently so are their owners.

Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

CratSock posted:

Apparently so are their owners.

i don't know that anyone has ever called me arrogant. i'm pretty bad.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


DOOP posted:

So what makes this case different than McLaren taking Sergio Perez' Carlos Slim money and then telling him to gently caress off a year later. Specific contract details for VdG and not Perez?

Could be something specific in the contract allowing for performance-related termination, or they could have just bought him out. Ferrari reportedly paid Raikkonen a shitload of money to gently caress off so they could bring in Alonso.

The problem for Sauber is that apparently they can't afford to buy out VDG.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx


Neither is VDG asking for nor is Sauber offering money.

RALF
Mar 15, 2009



Grimey Drawer

Apparently Alonso lost his head in the accident and is dead. If true then Ron didn't actually lie when he said that there was no concussion.

More info to follow soon.

CratSock
Aug 5, 2004

Sock Wielding Assassin



be nice wicka posted:

i don't know that anyone has ever called me arrogant. i'm pretty bad.

There was a lull in posting, so I just grabbed the low hanging fruit that Rev. Dr. MPL left out. It wasn't even worthy of the Worst Thread.

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012



Maybe Alonso is fine.

And it's us that have been thrown 20yrs into the future.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

I can't get enough of are Dan


Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012




Still he Rises!

Brainwrong
Mar 20, 2004

RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.


According to reddit this is Alonso doing a reflex test to prepare for Malaysia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcPdf298ys

Now I'm no robotics / AI expert but to me that looks like leaked footage from the MTC of an android being re-programmed.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak




Blacks don't have red noses.

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist




Lewis is a twat.

dreesemonkey
May 14, 2008


Pillbug

1. I didn't see it posted
2. I don't know if I'm allowed to think sniffpetrol is entertaining

But this 2015 writeup is fairly humorous

http://sniffpetrol.com/2015-formula...e/#.VQL6ROEsC1V

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Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

1. The new Honda Civic Type R was apparently stupidly quick around the Nurburgring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G7N0_M9Rc

2. VDG back in court this morning. If there's no deal, Manisha goes to Aussie prison and gets to party with domestic Schapelle Corbys.

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