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axeil
Feb 14, 2006
I got home from work and watched the whole thing in one go.

The end of Episode 5 and the entirety of Episode 6 were chilling. Legitimately terrifying when you realize what's going on.

Does anyone know if they're going to be able to bring charges in NY?


Also how the hell can the LAPD claim that Jinx had nothing to do with the arrest? Did the filmmakers share their evidence with them? I saw they cancelled all media appearances and won't be doing any press about the show because of the ongoing investigation. Are they going to be called to testify?

This trial is going to be insane.

axeil fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Mar 17, 2015

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axeil
Feb 14, 2006

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

e^: People have been convicted of murder without a body. I'm not sure about any without physical evidence.
Backlash from The Daily Beast over Jarecki canceling an interview with The Daily Beast. It's not nothing, but it's the most transparent sour grapes under the clickbait headline What Are The Jinx’s Filmmakers Trying to Hide?

Plus now that he's actually been arrested citing "ongoing investigation" is actually a legitimate excuse, and probably the ethically correct one. I'm guessing their legal team told them to shut the hell up after they saw the interviews this morning. We don't know what stuff the police might need unspoiled to actually convict the guy and Durst walking because the film crew let something slip while talking to Jimmy loving Fallon would be terrible.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

savinhill posted:

I read an article about this show that made the funny observation of how on a show with multiple creepy, sleazy lowlife characters, Jarecki's goatee is the worst culprit

I got Very Upset with the Galveston detective's handlebar mustache being uneven.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Mahoning posted:

The funniest part about Bob's lawyers trying to argue that he did write the cadaver note but he didn't kill Susan Berman (if that is indeed what they'll do), is that Bob himself says in episode 3 that only the killer could have written the note. Whoops.

Lawyers can still argue that doesn't mean anything because Bob's not a detective and couldn't really know that.

I'm thinking the LAPD got some more serious evidence from the film makers and this is an actual slam dunk, unlike the "slam dunk" in Galveston.

Then again the guy's a known flight risk and rumor has it he was trying to go to Cuba so maybe they had to jump the gun a bit.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Cuntpunch posted:

What I found the absolute most convincing really was showing the side-by-side BEVERLEY comparison and watching Durst just go blank when asked which one of those two he did write. Sure sure, block letters don't mean anything. Sure sure, misspelling is odd. But ok so which of these did you write? Nothing, just nothing, not even a half-hearted attempt to answer.

Where the hell were Durst's lawyers for that interview, anyway? After the first hot-mic incident, I can't fathom why they would let him go into an interview alone.

I'm guessing by this point Durst sorta trusted Jareki and didn't have the lawyers there because he didn't think the questions would be all that serious.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Mahoning posted:

I just can't imagine that a guy who openly admitted to dismembering a body and dumping it in the bay and still was found not-guilty of murder is going to get convicted of Susan Berman's murder. Absent some of of literal smoking gun, I can't imagine the LAPD has much else. Maybe if they try to get him for some lesser crime and then hope he gets the maximum sentence......but no way he gets convicted of murder.

LAPD could've found other evidence we're not aware of.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Stare-Out posted:

I wonder how good the supposed (unseen) evidence they have is. How much physical evidence can you suddenly get from a murder after nearly 15 years, anyway. The public evidence is really circumstantial and nothing his lawyers couldn't fairly easily argue against. The Morris Black case can't even enter into the proceedings since he was acquitted for the murder and never charged for the dismemberment, so in the eyes of the law all he's done is fleeing from justice, stolen a hoagie and allegedly pissed on a candy display at a store.

Some sort of evidence they couldn't conclusively pin on him before the letter seems most likely. DNA maybe? Before the letter he could argue they were good friends anyway so finding his hair/skin/whatever around the house isn't that unusual.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Stare-Out posted:

Basically a bunch of really small charges and misdemeanors, nothing that comes even close to murder. I still think it's ludicrous that he wasn't charged for dismemberment at all. But double jeopardy still applies when it comes to Morris Black, right? Basically he's totally in the clear for that one? Or can they take it to the supreme court for a retrial or something? My knowledge of the US legal system comes from movies and TV, pretty much.


In the U.S. if you are acquitted for a crime you cannot be charged with the same crime again. There's some weirdness around jurisdictions (if you murder a guy in Texas after driving him there from Oklahoma the Feds can charge and try you) but generally you can't be tried twice after receiving a not guilty verdict.

I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure about different degrees. E.g. if you're not guilty of 1st degree murder can you be tried under 2nd? My gut says no but I'm not sure.

Ave Azaria posted:

When they interviewed Kathie's identical niece, I'm ashamed to say that my first thought was: They should dress her up as Kathie's ghost/zombie and have her confront Robert with his crimes in the middle of the night.

My first thought was "holy poo poo she looks just like Kathie." And then a sentence later she basically says "yeah a lot of the family says that :smith:"

axeil fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Mar 17, 2015

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

C2C - 2.0 posted:

The charges in LA are murder under special circumstances: murder of a witness, lying in wait, use of a firearm.

The first & last we could already figure; it's the second one that sounds oddly specific.

I don't think it's all of those, it's just that you can charge first with special when one of those things happens. And Susan was both a witness and shot...

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Ave Azaria posted:

It really makes me wonder how many wealthy murderers there are out there who weren't as stupid as Durst, and never even became suspects.

Well there's about 2,000 missing persons cases a year that go unresolved. So figure what a quarter? of those are people intentionally trying to drop off the grid and that leaves 1,750 potential homicides where there's no body. And when there's no body it's almost impossible to arrest, let alone convict.

Toxxupation posted:

I remember reading some statistic about how the rate of sociopathy in murderers is only rivaled by the rate of sociopathy in investment bankers

:ssh: that's because both have the same rate of sociopathy as the general populace.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Stare-Out posted:

I know most people have already seen it, but Dear Zachary is also a doc worth checking out if you're looking for a doc with a twist. It's sort of poorly made but the subject matter is both compelling and touching enough to get you through it. Up to a point.

It's the only thing I've ever watched where I had to take a 30 minute break to chain smoke before I could continue watching it.

Oh god :gonk: that was one of the most gut-wrenching documentaries I've ever seen.

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axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Mike_V posted:

It was really off-putting that Bob would end every conversation with "Bye bye"

On the contrary, I find it totally believable that a serial killer would end his calls with a creepy "bye bye"

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