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Wow the show isn't changing the game after three episodes? What a slow burner! This show is much better written than either Flash or Arrow though and that much is very clear after only three episodes. No sign of super cringeworthy dialog at all yet and even the best episodes of Flash and Arrow are rife with that poo poo.
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Apr 1, 2015 08:51
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Conrad_Birdie posted:Sooo....did CW or Hulu skip an episode? Because in the "previously on" segment, it's got scenes of Liv doing kung fu and Major at a skate park, stuff that definitely didn't happen in the two episodes I've watched of the show.... Yeah, I just watched the first five minutes or so that are up on Hulu and nothing made any sense. I think they must have put up the wrong episode somehow.
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Apr 1, 2015 08:58
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Artic Puma posted:Yeah, I just watched the first five minutes or so that are up on Hulu and nothing made any sense. I think they must have put up the wrong episode somehow. So it sounds like if anybody wants to check out next week's episode before they take it down your window of opportunity has already started
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I can see why some people are finding the procedural stuff iffy, but the emotional material landed for me tonight in big ways. Its weird for everyone to always rave about every CW show as some propulsive crazy engine poo poo. I dig The Flash, but it took them half a season to really start breaking the monster-of-the-week formula up in interesting ways. Arrow took around the same time to really start cooking with gas, too. I'd be concerned if we were still dealing with basic crimes and "Liv has WACKY reaction to brain-eating!" yucks ten or so episodes in - but this early in? There's so many things clicking along that I feel like the show is in a very good place moving forward.
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I kind of hope, and expect, this show to stay pretty much procedural. There's nothing wrong at all with procedural if it's done well.
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Apr 1, 2015 09:29
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Conrad_Birdie posted:So it sounds like if anybody wants to check out next week's episode before they take it down your window of opportunity has already started Word of caution, it's actually at least the week after, not next week's. Some of the Previously stuff is actually in the trailer for next week's episode, and there's definitely some missing plot points they're touching on in the first 5 minutes. Edit: Not planning on watching any more myself, but it was still up as of this edit. Onean fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 09:37
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Deadpool posted:I kind of hope, and expect, this show to stay pretty much procedural. There's nothing wrong at all with procedural if it's done well. I think I've read somewhere that it gets more serial later in the season.
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Artic Puma posted:Yeah, I just watched the first five minutes or so that are up on Hulu and nothing made any sense. I think they must have put up the wrong episode somehow. Yeah, I watched the whole episode. I momentarily forgot what network it was and assumed it got FOX'ed and had the season order shuffled; that makes way more sense. Well, now I am a wizened psychic who knows many things of the future of this procedural about zombies.
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Onean posted:Word of caution, it's actually at least the week after, not next week's. Some of the Previously stuff is actually in the trailer for next week's episode, and there's definitely some missing plot points they're touching on in the first 5 minutes. drat, how do they screw something up that bad?
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I liked the pilot a lot but after this week's episode I'm considering dropping the show. The premise of taking on someone else's personality every week seems fundamentally flawed to me--it's preventing me from getting any sort of understanding of the protagonist (wasn't this the problem with Dollhouse?). The narration could help with that but so far it has little of the spunk or stakes of Veronica Mars' voice-over. And this is minor but I dislike the detective character a lot and find him off-puttingly weird looking. His hairline is so unfortunate.
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You're comparing her to the female Morgan Freeman, that's your mistake.
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Wax Lion posted:The premise of taking on someone else's personality every week seems fundamentally flawed to me--it's preventing me from getting any sort of understanding of the protagonist (wasn't this the problem with Dollhouse?). I guess that might have been one of the problems with Dollhouse, but to know for sure you'd first have to deal with all the other problems with Dollhouse.
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Wax Lion posted:The premise of taking on someone else's personality every week seems fundamentally flawed to me--it's preventing me from getting any sort of understanding of the protagonist (wasn't this the problem with Dollhouse?). The problem with dollhouse was that the main characters were being controlled. Any significant changes to the status quo should have, to maintain internal series logic, been squashed by the figures of authority. Here Liv is in control of her own fate. As far as we know, there are no puppet masters dangling a cure. I find the fact that someone with an MD didn't even consider that her zombie nemesis, whom she's seen hang out with shady types, might be scaring the kids at the skatepark a little too thick, especially given the Utopium namedrop.
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I like the show. I didn't think I would. Man, the CW has really been stepping it up lately. Arrow and The Flash aren't that amazing, but compared to their previous offerings the difference is staggering. And this one so far has been pretty good in a quirky girl-detective kinda way.
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Wax Lion posted:I liked the pilot a lot but after this week's episode I'm considering dropping the show. The premise of taking on someone else's personality every week seems fundamentally flawed to me--it's preventing me from getting any sort of understanding of the protagonist (wasn't this the problem with Dollhouse?). The narration could help with that but so far it has little of the spunk or stakes of Veronica Mars' voice-over. The problem with Dollhouse is that we were expected to empathise with people who literally had no personality of their own and the psychopathic sex traffickers exploiting them. Liv does have her own personality and history, and she also doesn't so much take on someone else's personality as have their personality strongly influence her own. How she deals with those conflicting emotions is part of the story, often the best part.
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Apr 3, 2015 12:00
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Jedit posted:The problem with Dollhouse is that we were expected to empathise with people who literally had no personality of their own and the psychopathic sex traffickers exploiting them. People keep saying this but the only time there was any overt sex weirdness was the one time Dushku had been programmed as a dominatrix or whatever. Unless I've blocked out any other memories... 
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WarLocke posted:People keep saying this but the only time there was any overt sex weirdness was the one time Dushku had been programmed as a dominatrix or whatever. There are multiple episodes that start with Echo returning from a $10,000-a-night "perfect girlfriend" weekend gig, Victor was also used as a male whore when Ms Hitler in Personnel wasn't loving him off the books, and the autistic Mengele who does the programming gets to turn a doll into his girlfriend for a day as a job perk - for his birthday, as I recall. And that's just off the top of my head.
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WarLocke posted:People keep saying this but the only time there was any overt sex weirdness was the one time Dushku had been programmed as a dominatrix or whatever. You've blocked it out. It was in almost every episode at first.
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REGGAE PARADE posted:I find the fact that someone with an MD didn't even consider that her zombie nemesis, whom she's seen hang out with shady types, might be scaring the kids at the skatepark a little too thick, especially given the Utopium namedrop. Yeah, I'm surprised she missed that. I could see her being distracted by being sad about the ex-fiance if deadened emotions from the sociopath's brain wasn't a huge part of the episode.
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Jedit posted:The problem with Dollhouse is that we were expected to empathise with people who literally had no personality of their own and the psychopathic sex traffickers exploiting them. Liv does have her own personality and history, and she also doesn't so much take on someone else's personality as have their personality strongly influence her own. How she deals with those conflicting emotions is part of the story, often the best part. Yeah the difference is that in Dollhouse you basically had completely new "guest star" characters who would show up for an episode and then basically die, with like 5% of the actual episode devoted to the "real" characters. That's not what is happening here.
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Holy crap the actor who plays the detective was in an LMFAO video (Party Rock Anthem). Please don't ask me how I found that out....
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Jedit posted:There are multiple episodes that start with Echo returning from a $10,000-a-night "perfect girlfriend" weekend gig, Victor was also used as a male whore when Ms Hitler in Personnel wasn't loving him off the books, and the autistic Mengele who does the programming gets to turn a doll into his girlfriend for a day as a job perk - for his birthday, as I recall. And that's just off the top of my head. You forgot one of the agents was busy raping Sierra (who was also exploited into becoming a doll by a rapist doctor who had an obsession about her) and the neighbor being turned into a spy against Helo (while also banging him). Basically every doll is subjected to rape in one form or another in the LA dollhouse.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Basically every doll is subjected to rape in one form or another in the LA dollhouse. Also, as I recall, the later episodes fairly heavily implied that they were the best, least corrupt, least immoral part of the entire company.
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Wax Lion posted:I liked the pilot a lot but after this week's episode I'm considering dropping the show. The premise of taking on someone else's personality every week seems fundamentally flawed to me--it's preventing me from getting any sort of understanding of the protagonist (wasn't this the problem with Dollhouse?). The narration could help with that but so far it has little of the spunk or stakes of Veronica Mars' voice-over. Eliza Dushku was the main flaw of Dollhouse. Yes, build your show around the idea of your cast taking on new personalities and identities each week and center it around the flattest, most boring actress in the world. This show is great, by the way. There's something to be said for a solid procedural.
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Apr 4, 2015 08:30
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She's a sassy shortass brunette who can dance, my ideal woman. But i'm not a 7 foot black dude, so i'm not her ideal man.
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Mr. Fowl posted:Eliza Dushku was the main flaw of Dollhouse. Yes, build your show around the idea of your cast taking on new personalities and identities each week and center it around the flattest, most boring actress in the world. No, the main flaw of Dollhouse was the rape. The next biggest flaw was that every character was a psychopath or a moron, and the one after that was the plot holes you could drive a bus through.
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Apr 4, 2015 10:29
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Meanwhile, the biggest flaw of iZombie is that they don't talk about Dollhouse enough
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Apr 4, 2015 13:39
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Who started this Dollhouse stuff anyway, i still don't follow the link
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Rocksicles posted:Who started this Dollhouse stuff anyway, i still don't follow the link The link is Liv acquiring different personality traits in each episode. I don't know who started it, but as the thread is all of five pages long and it started around page 3 it wouldn't be too much of a trial for you to look.
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Jedit posted:The link is Liv acquiring different personality traits in each episode. And it's a lovely link because one show is a horror-comic procedural and the other is a somewhat misunderstood but still generally mediocre series with a concept rooted in 60s anti-authoritarian sci-fi. I don't care who started it, I just care that somebody ends it.
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I regret starting this thread
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Take the Dollhouse discussion to the Whedon thread please.
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As a CW comic book show the appropriate derails are Arrow/Flash, anyway
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Jedit posted:No, the main flaw of Dollhouse was the rape. It's an important subjecting and having it in the show doesn't automatically sink it. The show just needed to be a whole lot less Whediocre. Joss' obsession with Dushka only made it come off as glorifying the subject matter. That said, three episodes in and iZombie is a far superior show. It has touched on similar issues and come off far better.
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Stop talking about Dollhouse in this thread.
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This show is fantastic, I'm really pleased. The dialogue is so snappy and the drama really lands for me when you can see it would be super easy to mess up. But I genuinely empathise with Liv and the emotional highs and lows she goes through! What a pleasure to discover such a thing.
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I think one of the best parts about this show is that it's a zombie show that I can watch by myself, in the dark (although I got a bit squeamy when they found Liv's friend/rival who invited her to the party). Do you guys think that David Ander's character was a zombie before the boat party, and Liv throwing her drink in his face caused him to go full zombie mode against his will, or do you think that was his turning point?
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Holy gently caress, this might be my new favorite CW show. It's Veronica Mars with more zombies and humor. I'm hoping the show eventually expands its scope to include the other craziness of the comics.(ghosts, were-people, monsters in general) Deakul fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 5, 2015 |
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