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VivaNova posted:I wasn't trying to tell you off i was trying to play mafia. I'm sorry I can't do anything right this game. Viva do you still want to shoot me?
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f_v are you still here?
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Apr 2, 2015 05:38
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Kind of. I'm trying to finish up some work before the long weekend.
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Apr 2, 2015 05:39
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Kind of. I'm trying to finish up some work before the long weekend. If you get a minute would you make a Lumpenlist?
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Apr 2, 2015 05:52
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Here's mine at the moment. Subject to change! SERIOUSLY CIA wall monitor Max VivaNova SUSPICIOUSLY SOVIET CapitalistPig DuckHuntDog Propaganda Machine (hey by the way!) COMFORTABLY CUBAN Byers Murmur Twin fiery_valkyrie LEE HARVEY OSWALD EXAKT Science
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Apr 2, 2015 06:00
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VivaNova posted:1. She's an opop/defender but doesn't get cased D2. Here's why I'm giving her some slack; I think wall's scum. I don't see a scumbro pushing a case onto another scum to save Opop, which is a large part of why I'm looking at wall as scum. Because wall pushed f_v. I think what happened D1 is that Opop scumslipped and independently wall as scum made some crucial bad posts around f_v. So when Rarity forced Opop to make a vote, the only vote he could make was wall. He didn't want to vote wall, but had to because there's no reason for him not to in that situation except to vote a scumbro. The other two points you make are good. VivaNova posted:Now then. I would like someone to tell me why Exakt shouldn't be killed today. Because wall is worse. Right now, I have wall, EXAKT, and then DHD/you in a tie for third for my top three scum. Based on that list, the only reason I'm not voting EXAKT is because wall exists.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:44
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VivaNova posted:Also same question for Pig. I like his call D1 on Opop and wall, and his votes suggest his head's in the right place instead of firmly up his rear end like usually (j/k, CPig, ya know I love ya!), so I'm leaning lurking town Pig right now. Murmur Twin posted:(b) Pig is town who isn't reading the game, isn't trying to make cases, and voting at random But he's not voting at random?
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Apr 2, 2015 12:46
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Yep. Based on the flip I moved my suspicion of WM down my list. Opop parked his vote on WM and peaced out and WM was the only other potential lynch. I think it was more likely that WM wasn't his teammate, than that it was a bus. Why risk another scum teammate getting lynched when you've been caught on a scum slip? Because Rarity specifically pressured Opop to make that vote, which he did before he basically peaced out. He did not make that vote, he was forced to. EXAKT Science posted:I'm not lovers with anyone and I probably shouldn't be anywhere near LYLO, so now's the best time to misdunk me if you're going to. There is never a good time to mislynch town. You can't even claim you're protecting power roles by being sacrificial, you're just straight-up playing the "for the good of the town" card.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:50
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CapitalistPig posted:Im town is probably the best reason not to kill me id say No, actually because of this if EXAKT flips town I think we look your way now, because that's a beautiful chain you just laid out there.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:51
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VivaNova posted:If I didn't make this clear, I got a gun last night. I assume from Rarity and I assume to blow ES's idiot head off with, but I'm open to suggestions and grovelling. Shoot wall or EXAKT.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:52
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EXAKT Science posted:Here's mine at the moment. Subject to change! Oh, a LumpenList and he's encouraging others to make them as well? Yeah, shoot EXAKT.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:55
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Byers2142 posted:But he's not voting at random? "Seemingly at random" would have been a better choice of words there. Obviously my and CPig's play styles are completely different - I am inherently distrustful of people who vote without explanation why they're doing so. In that vein: wall monitor posted:Yeah, how is that case coming? DuckHuntDog posted:That's a bit misleading considering the game hasn't been open for D3 that long and most of that was a workday. Propaganda Machine posted:murder to win, we have not had a proper slapfight yet There's a whole lot of people who I'm finding myself distrustful of at the moment. If it was truly down to WM vs. EXAKT I think WM is a better target - his response to be threatened with a vig was to sit back whereas I feel like town would have engaged - but I also feel like there are people that haven't weighed in yet who probably should.
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Apr 2, 2015 14:10
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I'd like to see the vig happen in the next 12 hours, so we have a full day to use that flip in our discussion before deadline.
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Apr 2, 2015 14:45
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Byers2142 posted:I'd like to see the vig happen in the next 12 hours, so we have a full day to use that flip in our discussion before deadline. When I say I "want people to weigh in first" I want to be clear - my goal is to encourage people to  , not to delay the vig.Thinking about it more critically - EXAKT is probably the best vig target. I feel that a lot of my reads on this game would be strengthened or weakened by knowing his alignment, and I like that it would force certain people (CPig and WM off the top of my head) to produce new cases.
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Apr 2, 2015 15:11
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Murmur Twin posted:When I say I "want people to weigh in first" I want to be clear - my goal is to encourage people to That's fair, I just don't think the vig should be held because people aren't posting about it. ... I'd be cool with it being used on people that aren't posting, actually. Shoot a lurker, win my heart.
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Apr 2, 2015 16:09
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Byers2142 posted:I'd be cool with it being used on people that aren't posting, actually. Shoot a lurker, win my heart.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:42
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I will shoot a lurker when bowmore returns
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Apr 2, 2015 18:11
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VivaNova posted:I will shoot a lurker when bowmore returns When the mod is the lurker...
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Apr 2, 2015 18:12
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Byers2142 posted:Oh, a LumpenList and he's encouraging others to make them as well? Yeah, shoot EXAKT. Why is this something I should be shot over, exactly?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:13
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EXAKT Science posted:Why is this something I should be shot over, exactly? Encouraging LumpenLists in the game favors scum, not town.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:14
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Byers2142 posted:Encouraging LumpenLists in the game favors scum, not town. How??
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Apr 2, 2015 18:17
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Have I been grievously misinformed about the utility of LumpenLists?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:19
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EXAKT Science posted:How?? Scum can use them to develop cases on town players that other town are likely to follow to drive mislynches. At the same time, developing LumpenLists are easy and thus they're easy to fake. There was a game run by Lumpen to prove that LumpenLists were valuable; scum rolled town in it, perfect victory, by doing exactly what everyone's always told Lumpen scum would do with LumpenLists. They're not just hated because they're Lumpens, they're hated because their a tool that looks town-y but is insanely weighted towards helping scum.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:21
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EXAKT Science posted:Have I been grievously misinformed about the utility of LumpenLists? If you seriously thought they were useful, yes. Very much so.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:21
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Byers2142 posted:There was a game run by Lumpen to prove that LumpenLists were valuable; scum rolled town in it, perfect victory, by doing exactly what everyone's always told Lumpen scum would do with LumpenLists.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:02
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VivaNova posted:Link?? It was pre-Votefinder. merk was in it and he quoted it in the past 4 months... somewhere, which led to me reading it, but finding the link isn't happening, sorry. 
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Apr 2, 2015 19:19
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Byers2142 posted:If you seriously thought they were useful, yes. Very much so. For real I did not know that. I thought they were good.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:42
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Doesn't change my scumreads, though.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:42
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Byers2142 posted:Here's why I'm giving her some slack; I think wall's scum. I don't see a scumbro pushing a case onto another scum to save Opop, which is a large part of why I'm looking at wall as scum. Because wall pushed f_v. I think what happened D1 is that Opop scumslipped and independently wall as scum made some crucial bad posts around f_v. So when Rarity forced Opop to make a vote, the only vote he could make was wall. He didn't want to vote wall, but had to because there's no reason for him not to in that situation except to vote a scumbro. I don't agree with your opinion that Opop was forced to place a vote. He was barely engaging in the thread anyway and I think it would have been very easy for him to ignore Rarity's push to vote WM. I might be wrong, but my opinion at the time was that it was a vote on a non-team buddy rather than a bus. I also don't agree with your opinion on DHD. Read his D1 again. He was on the Opop case early and argued rationally with people who were disagreeing with it.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:38
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Long week at work but I am around now and off tomorrow. It would be nice if people would read Hal/PM and say something.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:13
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DuckHuntDog posted:Long week at work but I am around now and off tomorrow. There's not much else to say. PM hasn't posted anything yet. Do you think I should use the vig on her?
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Apr 3, 2015 00:36
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I thought Hal was scum and PM isn't playing. I am not going to tell you how to use a vig, but I would personally if nobody is going to vote her.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:44
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DuckHuntDog posted:I thought Hal was scum and PM isn't playing. I am not going to tell you how to use a vig, but I would personally if nobody is going to vote her. I think it's very unlikely anyone else will vote her even tomorrow. MT and byers signed off on it and I don't think FV will care. I don't care what the others think so ##shoot Propoganda Machine -now you don't have to read the game!
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Apr 3, 2015 00:51
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quote:Hal quote:Hal quote:P Machine Propaganda Machine Town-Aligned Vanilla has been shot and died Day 3 the game continues
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Apr 3, 2015 00:58
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Votecount for Day 3  EXAKT Science (2): fiery_valkyrie, CapitalistPig wall monitor (2): Byers2142, CapitalistPig, VivaNova (0): EXAKT Science, Byers2142 (0): Max, Not Voting (5): DuckHuntDog, Max, Murmur Twin, VivaNova, wall monitorWith 9 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch. The current deadline is April 03rd, 2015 at 9 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 1 hour.
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votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 2 bowmore posted:FINAL Votecount for Day 2 Looking back at this from yesterday right before the switch to Rarity when there were three targets with about equal votes, two of the votes on Exact have now flipped town, and the only one that moved off was Rarity self hammering. Exact and Max moved off Viva onto Rarity, and Exact was a target up to that point. I don't see Viva being scum on this vote unless it is with Exact or Max. I am going to reread those two.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:10
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EXAKT Science posted:Sorry I'm just very excited to play mafia! I forgot about this, and it bothered me at the time. Exact was distancing from the case on Opop really early and then asking for people to case others when that was basically the only substantive thing going on, and then immediately backed off with this and the "scum sun" when I mentioned something. That said, Exact is pushing Viva pretty hard and I don't see it as a bus. I don't think there is a connection there.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:18
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Max posted:You don't get what WM is doing so you'd pick me? Exact gave me three names to post reactions to who had been defending Opop a bit (omitting f_v, for some reason), and Max had a pretty strong reaction to it here when I hadn't even made a vote or said I was going to vote him. He also stayed well away from taking much of a stance on the Opop vote. Max pushed Viva a bit D2 but ostensibly cooled on it today. I don't think it is Viva, but if it is I could see her being teammates with Max here, especially the way that D2 vote went down.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:23
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EXAKT Science posted:Max you're being super silly. Also, EXAKT Science posted:Viva, Max, and WM are my top three scumreads at the moment. Here's something interesting; the first post is the one time ES has any sort of post or interaction with Max, and then by the second he is pushing Max as a top scumread. He has repeated it and not really explained that one at all. I could see ES putting a teammate Max as a top scum read but not really casing him.
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Max has no interaction with ES that I can read at all. I could see both of them being scum and moving off Viva and on to Rarity to save ES. Of the two, I would rather: ##vote Exact Science
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