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fiery_valkyrie posted:Hi Viva! Nice to see you again This game's gonna be great. Just 1 more mafioso needed..... Bowmore, I wanna be Little Edie!
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Mar 25, 2015 00:38
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TheRam posted:i have the weirdest boner right now Best way to kill a thread.
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Mar 25, 2015 19:23
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Poison Mushroom posted:What is the best thing that goes on vanilla ice cream? Trick Question! ~~Nothing~~ You put the vanilla ice cream ON things. The best of which is some sort of mixed berry pie. KB and wall monitor answered incorrectly. I will be monitoring them accordingly. re: Pmush King Burgundy posted:I just don't get it. I can't fathom the motivation for that post at all. Is it acceptable for me to just not care about this person's awkward D1 posts or do I really need to analyze this? Max posted:It's actually worked pretty well for me. re: Opop Diqnol, your case assumes Opop is too dumb to read the thread/relies on meta about your relationship. I need a better reason to vote him atm. Preemptively answering diqnol's follow-up question to me: I am not scumbros w/ Opop. TheRam posted:~~~MAX CONFIRMED TOWN AND OPOP CONFIRMED SCUM DUE TO ISSUES IN THE BOWMORE DELIVERY SYSTEM~~~ CapitalistPig posted:scum bros Max posted:Also, JFK was long since dead by the time this would take place.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:35
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I don't think it's contingent on any meta. Read the interaction. Do you not see that he reacted nervously/faux playfully and stuck to that as I pressed him? I think it was a knee jerk reaction by him. It's def contingent on your meta: GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Exactly. I caught him off balance and he tried to play it off as being silly. A true town Opop would have told me to shut up or something or said Ugh etc "nervously/faux playfully" is your read. It's a possible interpretation and you're entitled to it. But when I read it I saw typical early game jokeyness.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:57
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TheRam posted:max is town because he said the same thing I was thinking basically about not getting a pm You mean this? Max posted:I only noticed the game started when I went back to the bookmarks. I am clearly town because of this fact. I don't think he deserves to be confirmed town for that post, since bowmore said itt vt weren't getting them.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:46
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Max posted:Do people really not policy lynch players that claim scum (even jokingly?) That used to be like, an unwritten rule. Never heard of it, never been in such a situation where a self-claim was taken seriously. I def feel I've seen many people jokingly imply they were scum, esp. early on.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:49
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Max posted:Imagine me saying that in a stupid jokey voice. No one should think I'm town because of that post. Max posted:I'm talking '07, 08. I had a game where I jokingly called someone scum, and they just went "haha, yup, you got me." Rest of town voted him and he ended up being scum. It was that guy that had the ugly mario avatar for a while.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:54
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Max posted:Was it little mac? I don't know, I just know it was that realistic fat mario cartoon. no, nm. Apparently lm's avatar isn't even mario.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:57
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I never finished my thesis. That is my shameful secret. I played mafia to forget..... max what have you done 
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Mar 25, 2015 22:20
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EXAKT Science posted:VivaNova, it's nice to meet you! I'm EXAKT and I'm new! I noticed that you don't want to vote either of the vote leaders yet. Do you have any scumreads yet? Likewise! I'm a returning player. I have no scumreads worth mentioning yet. When I do you will totally know because I will post them ITT!
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Mar 25, 2015 22:25
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EXAKT Science posted:Maybe, but it happens in response to the first bout of real scumhunting, and feels like it's trying to extend jokephase unduly. I feel this interpretation only works if you think Hal is scum with either Opop or Diqnol and you think he's trying to get attention off one of them. Yes/no?
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Mar 25, 2015 22:38
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diqnol = pizzacrotch man btw
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Mar 25, 2015 22:40
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TheRam posted:you guys really should entertain the possibility that there are other people to vote before we kill opop, then we must proceed to kill opop sadly, I'm sorry I will be at a CONFERENCE tomorrow night.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:03
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CapitalistPig posted:Pffff you dont know me hater. I would never accuse you of being clothed.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:43
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King Burgundy posted:And anyone else around? I'm all caught up now, let's chat. I just read the wiki on Magic Shell. It contained this sentence: Contrary to what many people believe, paraffin wax is not an ingredient of Magic Shell.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:02
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King Burgundy posted:What do you think of Vivanova? Fantastic! A++#1 mafia player.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:03
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fiery_valkyrie posted:She went and got married and left her mafia friends behind. I think she is very rude for this. King Burgundy posted:What do you think of Rarity? KB, try to put your finger on what it is about me you're not liking.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:10
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fiery_valkyrie posted:So are you saying you did get a PM? King Burgundy posted:hahahha, scum slip #2 I guess. Do we live in a world where such magnificence is possible?
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Mar 26, 2015 02:12
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So many posts.Rarity posted:By the way, Viva I would really like to hear what you think of wall monitor! I see what others saw in the backtracking on FV thing. To answer him last night, it's not changing your mind that suspicious, obvi, it's that he did it after something bland/typical was pointed out to him/he met resistance. Don't have a problem with the initial vote. Not super interested in debating how newbie/not newbie scum play. Works both ways, like nervousness. 8 games is not newbie. wall monitor posted:This, however, might be enough... it took him a couple hours before he followed up by claiming it was a joke. I don't like this much. It'd be a lot more believable if he said 'I was confirming that I am still going to play in this game' which is both more believable to me than claiming joke and also what I would do if I was scum caught out in a lie. Transitioning, what is bad about Opop is what rarity said. Scumslip seems like stretching. It's dropping a vote on WM and peacing that's lame and maybe scummy. Continuing on Opop which is more interesting to me than WM: Murmur Twin posted:I'm genuinely confused by the fact that people are talking about anything besides Opop at the moment. Murmur Twin posted:You're telling me with a straight face that you think that [these] ps. fiery_valkyrie posted:Are you sure? I swear you and KP were talking about getting married in one game. What's FOS? something of suspicion?
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Mar 26, 2015 21:44
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EXAKT Science posted:I'm only really seeing the latter. It's really more neither.
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Mar 27, 2015 18:04
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OK, 6ish hours till a Fri night deadline. Opop's -2, WM's 2 behind. Only other vote is a weird one on FV. Considering the charges on these two: Opop 1. Early ~scumslip~ 2. Thoughtless vote on WM 3. Saying he's gonna be mia/only posting to complain about votes on him WM: 1. Questionable initial vote of FV 2. Subsequent unvote/revote 3. Anxiety/self consciousness 4. Odd criticism of Opop Please comment/add/detract from these summaries. My thoughts: O1: Dumb. Anyone voting Opop solely for this reason is likewise dumb. Thinking of MT, DHD and TheRam here since Hal and Diq at least backed their thoughts up. Maybe PM. O2-O3: Legit reasons to vote someone, though also compatible with disinterest/resignation after taking early heat. W1: Sometimes early D1 votes just aren't great.  W2: It wasn't as if new/groundbreaking information was revealed and he then voted someone else. 'It was a joke/not a joke' is the most common boring argument on D1. The current vote on FV likewise MAKES NO SENSE. W3: For me this is shown most when he responds to Rarity criticizing someone else and excessive apologizing. Nerves are NOT exclusively a scum trait, as some people claim, but in this case I do read it as an over-reaction. Nerves are also a newbie trait as some have argued, but he's totes not a newbie. Note I have never played with WM before. W4: This is the biggest thing to me. It looks like he's trying to say 'Look I have an original thought about why Opop (obvious alternative lynch) might be bad!' But idgi, said so and he didn't explain. I think he's just writing it so he can come back later and vote Opop and look legit. So. Opop is leading us nowhere. WM is leading us in circles. Opop leaves me disappointed and WM leaves me baffled.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:11
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I did not find him very funny.
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Mar 27, 2015 22:01
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Max is busy drinking an inferior beverage to beer. I can try to answer you since he's agreeing with something I posted but I feel I explained it pretty well.
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Mar 27, 2015 22:38
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EXAKT Science posted:It's interesting that you're jumping to defend him. EXAKT Science posted:Who do you think is scum with Opop then? King Burgundy posted:Have the other non voters (Viva/Cpig/Exakt) said who they want to vote for? DuckHuntDog posted:Yes? Being baffling isn't really an alignment tell in my experience, but the passive defense you have put on Opop is if he flips scum. Max posted:Why are you so confident? This makes no sense to me.
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Mar 27, 2015 23:55
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King Burgundy posted:Which doesn't read to me as "These are my targets for today", but that could be my bad I guess. I figured it was implied by my casing them and the fact they were the only two candidates for a while, but I couldv'e been clearer I guess.
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Mar 28, 2015 00:27
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VivaNova posted:I figured it was implied by my casing them and the fact they were the only two candidates for a while, but I couldv'e been clearer I guess. Sorry, didn't notice it was over.
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Mar 28, 2015 00:29
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VivaNova posted:Do we live in a world where such magnificence is possible? Apparently!!
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Mar 28, 2015 00:40
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RIP diqnol! Even though you read me wrong, you will be missed~
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Mar 29, 2015 01:36
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EXAKT Science posted:That's probably because I dislike pretty much everything she's posted :p Likewise!
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Mar 29, 2015 21:33
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So lot's of stuff here and apparently I need to budget my time between defense and casing, prepare for some posts. Here's some quick responses to page 14: EXAKT Science posted:it seems off to me that Viva was casting shade on both Opop and WM when she could have probably gotten away with just casing Opop. fiery_valkyrie posted:I also feel like Exact was trying very hard to make people look bad towards the deadline, EXAKT Science posted:I feel even better about f_v now, because that feels like a real case to me. It's incorrect, but who gives a poo poo? Rarity posted:The one game I've played with Viva (Civ 2) she was the best town player so I wanted to see her opinion on my case. King Burgundy posted:Another interesting thing is that since everyone started this game Vanilla, scum night kills aren't based on hunting for power roles or anything. It will be based purely on taking people who are obstacles to their shaping of the narrative. Here on SA, people always ignore the NK motivation because of WIFOM, but that gives scum a free pass to kill whoever they want without having to think about it. Before he died Diqnol was suspecting Viva, Rarity and TheRam of being scum. Scum would want to keep him around if he was wrong, to help sell their cases, but would want him dead if he was right. Secondly, I disagree strongly with your thought process and conclusions here. For one thing, you're forgetting a major reason why people are NKed in every game- they look too town to lynch. Look at the response to Diqnol's passing in the thread if you need to know why he was killed. He even seemed to know he was the likely target for the simple reason that after opop flipped scum, he looked like he'd never be lynched. Additionally, you seem to be forgetting the main gimmick of the game. Diqnol looked so town he was also a likely target for people to will to. I think this is really obviously the reason he was killed. Saying it was because of who he suspected is silly since he had already said who he suspected and knew he'd be writing something about them to be posted on his death. 'Silencing' doesn't seem like it could be the motivation. I feel pretty strongly about this conclusion and think it's an important point to understand.
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Mar 29, 2015 22:13
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VivaNova posted:Well. If SOMEONE was incorrectly casing someone I know to be town, I'd prolly give a small poo poo or two idk. :eyeroll: Poison Mushroom posted:You're getting all caught up in theorycrafting! Trying to puzzle out the mechanics of a game totally makes sense in a role-heavy one like a CYOR. But getting all into that in a vanilla game? Boo. TheRam posted:I'm kind of intentionally ignoring this thread for a few more hours before I do a full read, but I really like your posting Murmur Twin. Murmur Twin posted:Obviously there was a level of joking around to this, but I think a town Rarity should have tried to get Opop to make a solid case. Instead she solicits a vote on WM, which he obliges her on before vanishing. With regards to your other points, my eyes glazed over during the newbie scum tendencies chat, I need to go back and read it in full. King Burgundy posted:BTW, I just want to put this out there, since it doesn't affect anything, and it might lend us some insights later.
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Mar 29, 2015 22:41
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King Burgundy posted:You and Rarity seem pretty convinced of that first point and that hasn't been my experience at all. I even tried to bring it up in my first game of mafia ever, battleship, and was poo poo'd and told that real mafia players don't examine the night kill motivations because it is too wifom, by windshipper I believe. So I feel like you and Rarity are posting from another planet when you say that. It does not happen in games I'm in. As far as I'm concerned you two could not be more wrong, or are lying.  The reason it's sometimes poo pooed is because it often inevitably degrades into 'welp scum knew we'd be analyzing their actions, so they played accordingly'. I think the key to making it more useful is to consider which option would be MORE beneficial for scum in the scenario. King Burgundy posted:You are correct on some of the rest though. Absolutely, Diqnol looking too towney is ALSO a reason to kill him and one that would have been brought up in scum chat. But, that doesn't preclude the double dip. He was too towney AND was on the right track for the scum team. Let me put it this way. If I was on the scum team, and all of Diqnol's other reads were totally off base, I would have considered letting him live a bit longer for a couple reasons: As for point A, it's not scum's job to keep the game lively. It's not nice to say so, but I have noticed many scum would be more comfortable living in a lurky game, so yeah. Point B is super interesting and goes back to what makes this game different. Diqnol already said who he'd be casing post-mortem and then proceeded to do so! This point resonates with me since Diqnol incorrectly cased me. My first thought after seeing Diqnol was killed was that it was to put suspicion on me! Now I see that's at best a "double dip", but that interpretation works as well as what you're suggesting.
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Mar 29, 2015 23:06
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TheRam posted:Viva I specifically liked the post because of the effort, I didn't pay attention to the content. 15 more minutes of Vikings then I'll play this game. oh god, WIFOM chat
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Mar 29, 2015 23:13
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Ok, everything else I have to say is about Exact Science- MT's case on him, his case on me, very probably my case on him. You will need to wait until tomorrow evening for serious casing/effort, but if you have specific questions I can try to answer before then.
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Mar 29, 2015 23:22
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I just noticed the deadline is Monday, not Tuesday as I had assumed. This is not ideal, but ##vote Exact. Read his posts before the end of D1, he's trying to salvage the situation by setting up today's lynch. Read FV's case on him. Read his case on me on the last page. Everything he quotes has a perfectly logical non-scum response, but he's not interested in hearing my interpretation of events - he's tunnel visioned into interpreting everything I posted this game as a scumtell. Cause his decision is obviously made up and he's (over)manufacturing evidence. He's scum and he has obvious reasons to pick me to case, but there's no great evidence against me and he's scrambling to act like there is. I feel more strongly about this vote than almost any other one I can remember. Please reread him and consider this. preview: drat, ram
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Mar 30, 2015 00:37
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Murmur Twin posted:What happened to your case on WM? It was a decent case for D1. I have a better one for D2.
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Mar 30, 2015 20:34
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Max posted:I feel like WM was still a possibility as an alternative lynch candidate when Rarity switched their vote. This vote pretty much sealed Opop's fate at this point, beyond a doubt, and I'm not sure scum would have made that switch. Murmur Twin posted:One other thing while it's on my mind - I've noticed that my main weakness as of late has been identifying and casing lurker scum.
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Mar 30, 2015 20:42
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CapitalistPig posted:Because I see that she is posting as scum would post, the post I quoted directly in my vote for her was the one that pinged me the hardest (lol) So you read EXAKT's posts around the lynch yesterday and thought "yup. that guy is posting as town would post."?
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Mar 30, 2015 20:49
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Rarity posted:How rude
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