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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Jerusalem posted:

Your real name wouldn't happen to be Andre, would it? :aaa:

No, tragically, though I have been known to have a posse.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Watch Rob and not-Vizzini live!
http://livestream.com/accounts/12973202/NYRSF428

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
I'm in the blue jacket next to the fellow with the macbook

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

DoctorWhat posted:

I am in a room with Rob Shearman (as well as a man with the exact voice of Wallace Shawn) AT THIS VERY MOMENT

I say hi

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
To you, I don't know the others

Maera Sior
Jan 5, 2012

DoctorWhat posted:

I'm in the blue jacket next to the fellow with the macbook

Gray shirt with red sleeves?

ETA: I'm pretty sure that's Gordon Linzner in the Hawaiian shirt. Super skeevy, invited me back to his room at a con when I was about 20. For the record, I'm 32 now.

Maera Sior fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Apr 29, 2015

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Maera Sior posted:

Gray shirt with red sleeves?

That's him

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
https://vine.co/v/eWlre0ZZTW3

also I told Rob to listen to Night Vale

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

DoctorWhat posted:

https://vine.co/v/eWlre0ZZTW3

also I told Rob to listen to Night Vale

That Carlos sure is perfect!

(Yeah, I only heard the first episode today...I am a bit behind the times)

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Jerusalem posted:

(and the fact Light looks like a very tall Gary Glitter)

When I watched Ghost Light when it was broadcast, I thought Light was played by Jon Pertwee. :doh: In my defence, I was 8.

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

CobiWann posted:

Next up - “We work in their shadow, every tick and tock of our lives. We hear them in the workings of the Great Clock. We work hard, turn our hands – but we all wind down in time, and that is when they come for us: when our time is up.”

Paul McGann is the Doctor in…Time Works.

Looking forward to see your review for Time Works. I think it's a super underrated McGann audio, definitely one of my favorites.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
So Gary Oldman (and a few other actors including Willem Dafoe [who looks like the most evil mofo EVER]) did a Prada photoshoot in some very Victorian styled clothing back in 2012. I can't help but think he looks like a younger War Doctor in these.



I am the Master, and you will obey me...

The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Apr 29, 2015

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

DoctorWhat posted:

I'm in the blue jacket next to the fellow with the macbook

What (Doctor), no The Coat?

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
The coat adds 15 subjective degrees farenheit and it's really nice out in NYC and hot on the subway. I'dve melted.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

The_Doctor posted:

So Gary Oldman (and a few other actors including Willem Dafoe [who looks like the most evil mofo EVER]) did a Prada photoshoot in some very Victorian styled clothing back in 2012. I can't help but think he looks like a younger War Doctor in these.



I am the Master, and you will obey me...



Wow. Just...wow. Can we get Gary Oldman to play Baron Zemo in Captain America: Civil War please?

As a side note to keep on thread topic, Louise Jameson is going to be making her Big Finish main range directing debut in a Six story penned by Marc Platt…

http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/doctor-who---sixth-doctor-news

I laugh because she once jokingly referred to Big Finish as “your pension for being on Doctor Who!”

CobiWann fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Apr 29, 2015

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

CobiWann posted:


I laugh because she once jokingly referred to Big Finish as “your pension for being on Doctor Who!”

Haha. They must at least pay decently, I guess, or else be very pleasant to work with, because they've managed to get pretty much everybody back at this point. I think Jackie Lane and Mathew Waterhouse are the only living companions from Classic Who who haven't recorded with them.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Bicyclops posted:

Haha. They must at least pay decently, I guess, or else be very pleasant to work with, because they've managed to get pretty much everybody back at this point. I think Jackie Lane and Mathew Waterhouse are the only living companions from Classic Who who haven't recorded with them.

People liked the Fifth Doctor Box Set, so you don't have pretend it didn't exist! Unless you're doing a Method thing where you only know about the audios as far as you've listened, in which case... bravo.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Bicyclops posted:

Haha. They must at least pay decently, I guess, or else be very pleasant to work with, because they've managed to get pretty much everybody back at this point. I think Jackie Lane and Mathew Waterhouse are the only living companions from Classic Who who haven't recorded with them.

From what gets said in the interviews that get included as extras, everyone just likes doing it - David Warner's told his agent to just accept anything from Big Finish because he has so much fun doing it.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

After The War posted:

People liked the Fifth Doctor Box Set, so you don't have pretend it didn't exist! Unless you're doing a Method thing where you only know about the audios as far as you've listened, in which case... bravo.

Do they get Waterhouse back? I didn't even check! I just assumed that he wouldn't travel all the way from LA. I guess it's just Jackie Lane, then. They even got Jean Marsh back to play Sarah Kingdom. I half expect them to find ways to revive the actors who have passed away to just complete the set.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Bicyclops posted:

Do they get Waterhouse back? I didn't even check! I just assumed that he wouldn't travel all the way from LA. I guess it's just Jackie Lane, then. They even got Jean Marsh back to play Sarah Kingdom. I half expect them to find ways to revive the actors who have passed away to just complete the set.

http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/the-fifth-doctor-box-set-1014

CobiWann fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 29, 2015

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!


“You want to know about the Time Keepers?"

“We work in their shadow, every tick and tock of our lives. We hear them in the workings of the Great Clock. We work hard, turn our hands – but we all wind down in time, and that is when they come for us: when our time is up.”

The TARDIS lands in between times, in a time where this is no time. A time in which nothing can possibly be. But something is…

The Doctor, Charley and C’rizz are rats in the wheelwork, a threat to the schedule of a world where timing is everything. And the seconds are counting down to a fateful future that has already happened. Unless they can beat the clock.

Paul McGann is the Doctor in Time Works.

X X X X X

Cast
Paul McGann (The Doctor)
India Fisher (Charley Pollard)
Conrad Westmaas(C'rizz)
Ronald Pickup (Kestorian)
Tracey Childs (The Figurehead)
Beth Vyse(Vannet)
Adrian Schiller (Zanith)
Philip Edgerley (Collis)
Merryn Owen (Revnon)

Written By: Steve Lyons
Directed By: Edward Salt

Trailer - http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/popout/time-works-246

X X X X X

Time. It’s something all of us have and yet something we always want more of.

How many times in just one day do we find ourselves saying “I wish I had more time?” How often do we look back on our lives and say “I wish I hadn’t spent so much time doing this frivolous thing?” How often do we glance at the clock and say “I need more time to take care of this?” As human beings, time seems like a finite resource, but with 24 hours in a day there’s always time to take care of what’s important to us as long as we prioritize…

…but that’s the beauty of being human. We get to decide what we do with our time. We decide to take a nap instead of listening to a podcast. We decide it’s more important to
work out than to catch up on Game of Thrones. We decide seven minutes of our life is more meaningful than arguing with an Internet troll. Time might be finite, but as human beings, how we spend it, save it, or waste it is ultimately our decision.

What happens, though, when time is so fleeting that someone else judges how we’re using it?

Time Works finds the Doctor, Charley, and C’rizz on a planet where the use of time is rigidly enforced; everything done in a certain way, at a certain time, to ensure not a single moment is wasted. A creepy first episode leads to a street-level view and a behind-the-scenes look of the society and the horrific motivations of the Clockwork Men. A strong script and great performances from all involved help make Time Works one of Eight's best stories.

The city of Industry is frozen, and not by a snowstorm. Everyone and everything the Doctor, Charley, and C’rizz come across is immobilized, unable to be moved, perfectly fixed at one precise moment in time. What makes it even stranger is the mix of Middle Age and Computer Age gadgets, from horses and wagons to highly-accurate wristwatches and computers, with every window and doorway facing the large clock tower in the middle of the city. As the trio try to leave, the TARDIS takes off, confused by the lack of time, stranding Charley and C’rizz in the frozen present and throwing the Doctor one hour into the living past. No one wants to help the Doctor; there’s no time to waste according to their assigned schedules. For wasting time makes one redundant, and to be redundant is to be instantly cut down, removed from time by the Clockwork Men, who can only be seen in between the tick and the tock…

Fritz Lang’s Metropolis meets Stephen King’s The Langoliers. That’s the best way to describe this story. Time Works is sure to conjure up these stories for anyone who’s seen or read them. Lang’s science fiction classic took a good, hard look at an industrialized society where the lower classes lived and died as they maintained the city above them. It also included the first robot in cinema history, the female gynoid Maschinenmensch. King’s novella shows the fate of the present becomes the immediate past, with the story’s namesake Langoliers responsible for keeping time…tidy. Steve Lyons, veteran writer of all things Doctor Who, contributes his third Big Finish script with this story. Following up on the superb tales The Fires of Vulcan and Colditz, Lyons moves away from historical settings to create a world very familiar to our own, both in setting, technology, and motivation. In the city of Industry, the clothing and buildings come out of the Middle Ages. But there are more modern inventions as well; mobile phones, computers, wristwatches, and the most horrific invention of all, bureaucracy. The society’s obsession with time is hinted at during the first episode, but driven home with full force later on in the story, as the Doctor finds himself without assistance, surrounded by people who won’t even spare a moment to listen to his pleas for help, lest they be deemed a “timewaster” whose “hands were idle.” Even losing four minutes is worthy of a visit from the Clockwork Men, who emerge from the clock tower to ensure that no time is wasted as the citizens are driven towards “Completion.” Behind the scenes stands a son who wishes to become king by any means necessary and make changes, and a king who wishes to retire, but his continued existence means that his importance towards Completion is mandatory.

It’s an absolutely wonderful script that plays around with time. In some ways, this could have been a perfect story for the Divergent Universe. Imagine a society in the DU that discovered time and deemed it so incredibly precious that they will do anything to avoid wasting a single second of it. While Charley and C’rizz are trapped in the frozen second, they see the future and realize the secret of the Clockwork Men; subliminal whispers to the citizens of Industry to push and guide them along the correct paths while time is paused. With the means to deduce the most likely future actions someone will take, the gathered data (and there is always data to be gathered) is what guides the Clockwork Men themselves. So, who’s really pushing who along? Lyons and Edward Salt, who directed Thicker Than Water, work together like clockwork (unintentional pun!) to create Time Works, moving back and forth between the Doctor’s efforts in Industry to first understand and then overthrow the regime of the Figurehead (with a nice call back to the machinations of the Seventh Doctor and how the Doctor used to bring down corrupt societies as a hobby) and Charley and C’rizz’s adventures in the frozen moment and then later on in the heart of Industry’s bureaucracy. Everything moves as a logical pace, with each decision guiding the reactions of the Clockwork Men until the characters learn to turn those reactions back on their aggressors. There’s little wasted time in the script itself, although there are a few convenient moments where things happen just to happen, and there are plenty of false leads, red herrings, and characters disappearing and reappearing suddenly…but then again, who’s to say Time didn’t mean for them to happen?

Paul McGann plays up the desperation in trying to rescue Charley and C’rizz before time passes them by, is inquisitive and caring when listening to Vannet explain the “rules” of Industry, and genuinely helpful when offering his assistance to the king. The Eighth Doctor is a Time Lord without a plan in this story, but he knows that as a Time Lord, it’s his job to help these people, as well as figure out what exactly is going on in this city regarding time itself. The improvisational nature of Eight is on display in Time Works as he tries several different plans; using a vortex shield resonator to block the Clockwork Men, offering to assist the king in an effort to avoid having his head chopped off, and repeatedly distracting the Clockwork Men and Zaneth in an effort to break into the clock tower…and then, when all is said and done, simply smashing equipment with a crowbar to bring down the Figurehead. McGann’s performance carries over the best aspect of his role from Other Lives. He’s a desperate Doctor, but instead of shouting and ranting, he’s doing his best to keep calm and puzzle out what’s going on.

India Fisher and Conrad Westmaas spend most of the story together, as Charley and C’rizz are separated from the Doctor, captured by the Clockwork Men, and brought to a modern office building to be tested for any available jobs within Industry. Both of them have plenty to do in this story, making suggestions, being right and wrong, and fleeing in terror from the Clockwork Men, all while having faith the Doctor will find them. C’rizz’s slowly dawning understanding of time works to his advantage in this story as Westmaas plays him as kind of getting what’s going on, but focusing more on the big picture of trying to escape. C’rizz isn’t concerned with overthrowing the regime, but simply surviving, which ties into his chameleon nature (that, I need to point out, hasn’t been touched upon in…well, since it was originally brought up in The Next Life). Charley, though, doesn’t quite grasp the technological side of things, but she recognizes a bad hand when she’s dealt one. This is the most “Charley” India Fisher has been since Faith Stealer, a pure Edwardian Adventuress who does things per her own sense of right and wrong and refuses to give up, always looking for the way out for her and her friends. It’s nice to see Charley worrying as much about C’rizz as much as she worries about the Doctor, which HAS been brought up a few times since The Next Life.

Want to go back in time a bit? How about Ronald Pickup, who played a physician way, way, WAY back in the First Doctor story The Reign of Terror? As Kestorian, the “king” of Industry, Pickup plays a man who’s tired, ruling by sheer inertia and vague platitudes about “completion” and “moving past the old world.” Adrian Schiller gets his Doctor Who start here as Prince Zanith, who wants to be king in order to make changes and save Industry by any means necessary, and what happens to the people of Industry during that time, meeting their fate at the hands of the Clockwork Men, is simply something beyond his control. One of the more debatable points of Time Works is that both men were responsible for letting their people die in the name of “Completion,” but at the end of the audio they escape any sort of karmic justice. This begs the question – if circumstances were beyond their control because of subliminal whispers to leave things as they were and the Clockwork Men acting while time was frozen, are they absolved of any and all blame because nothing was truly their fault?

Tracey Childs, aka Doctor Elizabeth Klein from Colditz, is in the story briefly as the voice of the Figurehead, aka “Completion” given voice. Smooth, cold, and logical, the purpose behind Completion will give a listener chills, especially hearing Childs deliver the words. Merryn Owen plays Revnon, the hardest worker who clocks the most time and never lets anything or anyone affect completion, only to be declared redundant because of one simple non-action. It’s the classic case of someone working very hard, but never getting ahead because of the system being rigged against them. (This is where I’m contractually obligated to yell “BOOTSTRAPS!”) Philip Edgerley and Beth Vyse are the separated husband and wife who end up causing a revolution, both on the streets and in the office. Vyse’s Vannet is a good “story only companion” for the Doctor, with Edgerley’s Collis being very “this is my job, I don’t like it, but I’m going to do it well” mixed in with looking out for his wife, fudging the records to keep her safe, until the moment where he realizes he can stop the Clockwork Men by doing one very simple thing.

With Andy Hardwick on music and Gareth Jenkins on post-production, the sound in Time Works is some of Big Finish’s best, from the lonely, frozen streets buffeted by temporal winds to the bustling market place, to the sterile office building to the grinding of the TARDIS’ engines as it tries to get back to the passage of time, and the sounds of the Clockwork Men (the act one cliffhanger with their introduction is particular effective). Big Finish also shows that it’s come a long way since The Sirens of Time with a rioting, frothing crowd that actually sounds like a group of angry people as opposed to three men saying “rabble” over and over again. The musical score is a simple violin piece, stripped down and hauntingly effective. And I shouldn’t forget to mention some drat fine cover art.

I really liked this story, especially in light of modern events. How often does it feel like we have more free time thanks to computers, smartphones, mass transit, and fast food, but we’re still falling behind? How often do we feel like we’re working harder and not getting anywhere, but having any sort of job is still better than what our peers are going through? Lyons script asks a lot of questions without hitting the listen over the head with a hammer or dropping anvils left and right, about time management and business culture. Imagine working for some undefined goal for meager rewards, but being let go by some faceless entity because you didn’t quite work hard enough. Corporate buzzwords such as “idle hands” and “redundancy” could easily be excuses cold blooded murder. To me, THAT’S the mark of a good story. Time Works is incredibly entertaining on the surface, the Doctor racing against time in society where time is racing right back. But below the surface, it feels like this tale has a lot more to say, if one’s willing to risk taking the time to stop and listen…



SynopsisMetropolis meets The Langoliers in a tale about ruthless time management that ranks as one of the Eighth Doctor’s best. 5/5.

Next up - So who did murder the Princes in the Tower? Perhaps it's best not to ask a question like that…

Peter Davison is the Doctor in…The Kingmaker.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Man, when I first saw the synopsis for this, I was certain it was going to be the Doctor versus Klein. The Eight Doctor and Tracey Childs in a story written by Steve Lyons, Klein's creator?

Thank god Time Works was good, or else I would have been really disappointed.

Bicyclops posted:

Haha. They must at least pay decently, I guess, or else be very pleasant to work with, because they've managed to get pretty much everybody back at this point.

Jason Haigh-Ellery is adamant that the recordings be easygoing affairs. He wants to make sure everyone enjoys themselves, and aren't under any pressure.

The one actor they couldn't get was Anthony Ainley to reprise the Master. Apparently, he wanted script approval, casting approval, and more money than the Doctors were getting. Gary Russell tried to be accommodating, but eventually said, "Sod this, it's not worth the effort" and called Geoffrey Beevers instead.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

CobiWann posted:

SynopsisMetropolis meets The Langoliers in a tale about ruthless time management that ranks as one of the Eighth Doctor’s best. 5/5.

I wouldn't rate it quite that high, but it is a very enjoyable story and well told, and one of the better uses of C'Rizz that I've heard so far (I think I only have one C'Rizz story to go, so that's more depressing than anything). It's neat how C'Rizz and Charley get almost immediate access to the behind-the-scenes players while the Doctor is left trying to figure things out from the outside, and his musings on his nature when he was the 7th Doctor are really quite fascinating. Definitely worth a listen.

surc
Aug 17, 2004

C'rizz made me take a break from the audios before I got to that one :(. Just ugh, such a badly handled character.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I still can't tell if they just didn't bother to mention that his Chameleon nature extends to his personality being influenced by the people around him until a few audios in, or if he was so boring and badly handled as a character that they did and I just didn't notice until the 4th or 5th time they mentioned it.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

surc posted:

C'rizz made me take a break from the audios before I got to that one :(. Just ugh, such a badly handled character.

Yeah. Truly one of the biggest wastes of potential. Besides how bland he is, he's always so moody and complaining in an unpleasant way.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

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He's just such a fundamentally misformed character. Even if he was written well I don't think you could make the idea of C'hrizz work. A character who's ridiculously easily influence and has a murderous split personality? Turlough worked because he was fundamentally a good guy struggling with doing the right thing. Ch'rizz manages to be unbelievable, unsympathetic, and boring all at the same time.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Yeah, the concept of a person who can blend to act like the people around him, both in manner and shape, is cool, but then instead of blending, he has a giant guilt complex which constantly reminds us one of one of the worst stories of Big Finish and then whines incessantly when he's not being a turncoat.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
Hex is more fully fleshed out in his appearances by this point than C'rizz was. I'm wondering if bringing him into the main universe and out of the DU was brought about because of how quickly they had to end that story arc. I know a few upcoming stories (there's only a handful left with him anyway) were scripts for the DU that were rewritten.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

CobiWann posted:

Hex is more fully fleshed out in his appearances by this point

"This point" being the end of episode 1 of The Harvest? Because that would still be accurate.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Jerusalem posted:

"This point" being the end of episode 1 of The Harvest? Because that would still be accurate.

I do have to say, a guy with a body that banging should NOT be regulated to the audios. Jesus, those pecs are Photoshopped!

That aside, can I fly on this plane?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Arthur Darvill a row over frowning behind his newspaper,"Keep it down over there, you're ruining it for everyone!"

Organza Quiz
Nov 7, 2009


The concept of a person who can blend into his surroundings is also just horrifically wasted on the medium of audios. Even in terms of personality, he could be picking up body language and expressions from the people around him....

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Organza Quiz posted:

The concept of a person who can blend into his surroundings is also just horrifically wasted on the medium of audios. Even in terms of personality, he could be picking up body language and expressions from the people around him....

True, it is kind of like Sylvester McCoy's "silent movie story" idea.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

CobiWann posted:

I do have to say, a guy with a body that banging should NOT be regulated to the audios. Jesus, those pecs are Photoshopped!

When I was looking up DW cast images for the BF Doctor guide thing, I wasn't expecting to be bombarded with sexy Phillip Oliver bod. :swoon:


Organza Quiz posted:

The concept of a person who can blend into his surroundings is also just horrifically wasted on the medium of audios. Even in terms of personality, he could be picking up body language and expressions from the people around him....

Yeah, it's more of a thing that's easier to convey in a visual medium. Like they explicitly have to say in the audios that C'rizz is picking up traits, or changing colour, whatever - it's somewhat distracting.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
The Kingmaker. Third act cliffhanger.

WHAT.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Seeing the comic panels they do for the 8 audios and how they dress Charlie in modern clothes and jogging suits is kinda off putting. I always envisioned her dressing like an Edwardian Adventuress all the time. Like a cross between Indiana Jones and Amelia Earhart or something. :shrug:

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"
Where are they from? Unless I've missed something, my digital versions don't have those.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

adhuin posted:

Where are they from? Unless I've missed something, my digital versions don't have those.

Doctor Who Magazine used to have preview panels for upcoming audios. I usually pull them from TARDIS Wiki or Google Image search.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
They were from Doctor Who Magazine, mostly from pre-2005, as "previews" of that month's story.

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