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CobiWann posted:A distinct lack of superior Dalek pixel technology. I deny this reality! This reality is a computation matrix! (To be sure, Tom probably says this every time he's asked to pay his bar tab.)
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After The War posted:I deny this reality! This reality is a computation matrix! Who on earth even TRIES to make Tom pay his bar tab? Also what pub is he going into that people aren't buying his drinks all evening?
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Fil5000 posted:Who on earth even TRIES to make Tom pay his bar tab? Also what pub is he going into that people aren't buying his drinks all evening? Patron: I don’t think he’s as drunk as he seems. Bartender: My dear, no one could be as drunk as he seems.
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CobiWann posted:Patron: I don’t think he’s as drunk as he seems. Tom: <at cigarette vending machine> Tom's putting it in now. And by it I mean ten pounds.
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Apparently he lives "in east Sussex", which sounds suspiciously like he might be among Mary Whitehouse's curtain-twitching constituency.
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Trin Tragula posted:Apparently he lives "in east Sussex", which sounds suspiciously like he might be among Mary Whitehouse's curtain-twitching constituency. “Hullo, Mary.” 
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CobiWann posted:“Hullo, Mary.” "I brought some friends over." 
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Trin Tragula posted:Apparently he lives "in east Sussex", which sounds suspiciously like he might be among Mary Whitehouse's curtain-twitching constituency. She's dead and he's alive, so the moral high ground was clearly his all along.
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It says a lot for the character and writing that I absolutely HATED the first "Lucie Bleedin' Miller" mention and rolled my eyes, but really wound up finding it fit perfectly in her last few moments of To The Death. It's a character that had to grow on me, but the EDA range had legs.
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It's interesting, because I've listened to the first season of the 8th Doctor Adventures before, but decided to relisten now that I'm caught up on the monthly range up to this point - the first time I listened, I found Lucie Miller really aggravating to listen to for the first couple of stories at least, but this time around it all felt absolutely appropriate to the situation/story. I guess it's easier to forgive a lot of the rough edges the character has both in writing/portrayal when you know it's going somewhere/can see the way the character is developing.
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Yeah, Lucy is definitely a character that grows on you. She is much easier to listen to once she and the Doctor develop a rapport and close friendship, but knowing that she eventually gets there, I imagine, would make her earlier stuff much more tolerable. I still wish they'd cut down on the boob jokes just a tad, but what can you do? I just finished season 3, and actually, my biggest problem with the end of it is that it's a two-parter in which Sheridan Smith mostly doesn't get to play Lucie Bleedin' Blackpool Miller in the first half. I'm in the middle of The Eternal Summer, which I'm really enjoying so far. I hesitate to recommend it yet, because Johnny Morris has written a few that I thought were quite good right up until the last quarter, with horribly disappointing endings. Still, so far, this thing is like Timequake meets Groundhog Day meets Hot Fuzz, much more heavily on the Vonnegut than the others. It has a character from the novel and comic book days, but you kind of learn all you need to know about him right away.
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The first one is on Gallifrey in the early days of the Doctor's involvement in the Time War. The Master pre-running off and hiding. Or do we think that was Alexander McQueen who then turned into Jacobi and chameleon arch-ed himself?
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The_Doctor posted:The first one is on Gallifrey in the early days of the Doctor's involvement in the Time War. The Master pre-running off and hiding. Can't be. If that's young First Doctor, there are too many unbludgeoned skulls and things not on fire.
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After The War posted:Can't be. If that's young First Doctor, there are too many unbludgeoned skulls and things not on fire. Young War Doctor.
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The_Doctor posted:Young War Doctor. Yeah, but if it's before they left Gallifrey, shouldn't they... I mean...  Don't do prequels, kids. It's just not worth it.
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After The War posted:Yeah, but if it's before they left Gallifrey The joke is presuming that the War Doctor and the resurrected Master were both on Gallifrey during the early days of the Time War, not that they went back in Gallifrey's time to before the time of the 1st Doctor. You're overthinking things.
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 On the morning of 9 May 1984, Peri woke up. She was expecting to spend the day relaxing in Lanzarote and, that evening, leave her mother and stepfather to go traveling with some guys she'd only just met. But things don't always go as expected as her friends and family discover when, four months later, she returns home having traveled further than anyone could have imagined. Meanwhile her friend, Katherine Chambers, mourns her father and Peri finds herself meeting some other familiar faces. Colin Baker is the Doctor in The Reaping Cast Colin Baker (The Doctor) Nicola Bryant (Peri) Claudia Christian (Janine Foster) Stuart Milligan (Anthony Chambers) Jane Perry (Kathy Chambers) Jeremy Lindsay-Taylor (Nate Chambers) Vincent Pirillo (Daniel Woods) John Schwab (Lt. Doyle) Denise Bryer (Mrs Van Gysegham) Allison Karaynes (Natalie Hamilton) Nicholas Briggs (Cybermen) Written By: Joseph Lidster Directed By: Gary Russell Trailer - http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/popout/the-reaping-252 X X X X X You can’t go home again. Home is a safe place to many of us. A place in our lives where our most formative years were crafted. A warm bed, a particular tree giving off the perfect amount of shade, the smell of cheap popcorn as you walk into a baseball stadium…and perhaps most of all, the people. Family, friends, shopkeepers, teachers, police, fireman. It’s human nature to look back on these people, places, and individual moments from time to time, often to seek out moments of happiness and joy. To some, however, it’s the familiarity of the past that brings them comfort. The past is set in stone, concrete and unyielding. No matter what life throws at you – medical conditions, bills, job-related stress, the fact that Gotham gets better ratings than Hannibal – the past is always there for you, a reminder of the way things were, and to some the way things ought to be. Life doesn’t work that way, however. Where a person’s life goes through changes as time passes, the places and people that they call home change as well. A familiar store might be closed, or a much visited restaurant might have a completely different menu. A familiar walk through the woods sees a panoramic view ruined by a collection of McMansions. And those who stayed behind, those who were always viewed through the lenses of the past? They’ve changed as well. Their lives have moved on, as well as their own perceptions of the people they once knew who chose to leave. And sometimes, those perceptions can clash head on. The Reaping is a story about the Cybermen’s continued struggle to survive, but more importantly it’s a tale about what happens when Peri returns home. While Peri deals with the sudden outpouring of anger and indifference from her Mom after disappearing for several months, the Doctor finds himself embroiled in a murder investigation that leads to a horrific discovery. What starts, proceeds, and ends as a pretty solid Cyberman story is ruined by a horrific and unnecessary “twist” at the very end of the story. A “twist” that shouldn’t come as a surprise to the listener, considering the author of this story! To Peri Brown, it’s been two years since she left her stepfather in Lanzarote to travel with the Doctor. When Peri discovers that her best friend’s father has been brutally murdered, she demands the Doctor take her home to Baltimore for the funeral and subsequent wake. But her homecoming, even in a time of grief, is more shocking than she could have ever imagined. To her friends and family, it’s been four agonizing months since Peri mysteriously disappeared. Believing Peri to have been kidnapped, her stepfather, accused of the crime, has divorced her mother, who is not pleased to see Peri has returned home to once again be the center of attention. Her best friend, having just lost her father is happy to see her best friend, but admits to having felt a bit relieved at being out of Peri’s shadow. And the Doctor, wisely staying out of the family dispute, instead finds himself drawn to the murder of Anthony Chambers. But an attempt to interrogate a suspect reveals something sinister lurking in the shadows of Baltimore. While Peri’s friends are coming to terms with her sudden return, an old foe of the Doctor’s has been waiting for him to arrive… At the conclusion of my review for Red, a few people warned me in advance of the upcoming double-whammy gut punch of The Reaping and The Gathering, two well-known stories written by none other than Joseph Lidster. Lidster has been responsible for several “memorable” Big Finish stories; the “say no to drugs and techno” screed The Rapture, the “let’s reveal a deep secret that goes against every single other story ever written about the Doctor” audio Master, and the “oh for God’s sake Eight’s got amnesia again” tale Terror Firma. Having gone 0-for-3 with a walk (I liked the first three episodes of Master), I was very wary as I began to listen to The Reaping. However, after listening to this story, until it reached the big “shocking moment,” I really liked it. In some ways, it felt like an appropriate sequel to Revenge of the Cybermen as the Cybermen (and I’m not spoiling their presence in the story, one of them is right on the CD cover!) once again try to find a way to survive. There are moments of horror (the return of Anthony Chambers), an out-of-nowhere jump scare in the third act, a decently mad scheme meant to ensure the Cybermen become the supreme race in the cosmos, and some moments of humor involving the Doctor being driven to the police station by a little old lady and a “logic game” involving a cup of poisoned coffee. Add to it the melodrama of Peri’s return home, her mother’s anger as she believes Peri is once again being the center of attention, dealing with the death of a family-of-the-heart member, and the tension as the characters are trapped in a mortuary by a group of Cyber-controlled policemen, and all the elements are there in The Reaping for a drat good story. A few passes with the editor’s brush could have been helpful; the “we’re happy to see you, Peri, but we’re not” goes on for a bit longer and it laid on a bit thicker than it should have been, and the “what the hell is going on” moments go right into the “OK, trust the Doctor/Peri” moments without any real sort of conflict resolution or Peri standing up to make herself heard. The supporting cast is a mixed bag. Peri’s mother, Janine Foster, is played Claudia Christian, cast member of the 1987 cult classic The Hidden and best known for playing Susan Ivanova on Babylon 5. If you don’t know who Ivanova is, the below clip might help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xO9Vr_nBE8 Christian has done voice acting for several movies and video games, but for some reason her performance in The Reaping falls between “bored” and “emotionally drained.” Which to be fair might be the default setting for the woman who has put up with Peri Brown from infancy all the way to young adulthood...though one could also say that they see where Peri has picker up most of her own mannerisms! Christian’s range is this story goes from “slightly annoyed” to “slightly scared,” with a layover at “slightly proud” before a sudden stop at “slightly worried.” Emotions aside, she’s good as Peri’s mom; angry at Peri for up and disappearing with a strange man, frustrated that she comes home to steal the attention at a funeral/wake, but also willing to believe her daughter and do what’s necessary to save both her and her best friend. Basically, Janine’s a mom, and Christian sells that aspect of her character perfectly. Vincent Pirillo plays Daniel Woods, the man accused of murdering Anthony Chambers. As the Doctor’s “temporary companion,” Woods does a fine job mixing the nervousness at what he saw, a silver ghost strangling Chambers to death, with a bit of pathos at his wife’s passing, as she survived cancer only to get hit by a bus (ah, Lidster and his misery porn). Stuart Milligan plays Anthony Chambers, back from the dead (via video tape and a little more). Best known for playing Adam Claus on Jonathan Creek as well as President Richard Nixon in The Impossible Astronaut/The Day of the Moon, his brief on-screen time in this story highlights his nervousness, uncertainty, and horrific realization as he serves as one of the Cybermen’s pawns. John Schwab (Bywater in the Ninth Doctor serial Dalek) has a small but important part as the policeman controlled by the Cybermen. His interactions with the Doctor and the public in an emotionless tone, appealing for calm and urging citizens to stay in their homes, along with a brief scene where he flatly suggest the Doctor drink some obviously poisoned coffee, are well done to the point where a little bit of voice modulation would have made him the perfect Cyberman! On the flip side, Jeremy Lindsay-Taylor gives a emotionless, flat performance as well, and not in the good way. Playing Nathan Chambers, Anthony’s son, Lindsay-Taylor (who’s appeared primarily on Australian television including Heartbreak High) sounds incredibly bored with the proceedings. While someone who just lost their father would be in a state of shock and come off as listless, Lindsay-Taylor takes it one step further to pure apathy, even when dealing with the silver ghost of his father. On the flip side, Jane Perry’s Kathy Chambers is exactly what you’d expect; the daughter who takes it all on her shoulders and tries to do her best and be her best to everyone. While her part in The Reaping is a bit superfluous, her actions here are a set-up for her decisions in the quasi-sequel to this story, The Gathering. Once again...it's Colin Baker. His performance is easily the highlight of this story, as it's everything good and wonderful about the Sixth Doctor distilled down to its purest form. Hurt when his companion doesn't appreciate his grand gesture? Check. Willing to abide by his companion's wishes, but unable to get involved anyway? Check. Alien in nature but able to relate to humanity? Check. Willingness to do whatever is take to save the innocent? Check. Double-crossing the Cybermen and leaving them to their fate? Check. Baker has always been solid in his Big Finish stories, and that pattern easily continues with The Reaping. Moments of humor, such as his trip to the police station with Ms. Van Gysegham, mix with moments where the Doctor shows his intelligence, such as using logic to outwit a policeman trying to poison him. Lidster's script excels at playing up the Sixth Doctor's alien nature (which is something Colin Baker has tried to do with Six) as well as his capacity for violence and revenge. Six doesn't go all Revenge of the Cybermen on the bad guys in this one, but leaving the Cybermen to their final fate (which includes a nice callback to Spare Parts) is something slightly horrific, but well within Six's capacity. If The Reaping is supposed to be a Peri story...it doesn't quite succeed. Let me just get this out of the way now – for all the flak Nicola Bryant has gotten about her American accent, it's definitely NOT a Baltimore one. Not even close. Not ONE mention of Old Bay seasoning. Come on, Lidster! Joking aside, The Reaping seems to be nothing more than one attempt at another to break Peri's spirit. She returns to Baltimore because her best friend's dad has been murdered, finds out her mom is pissed at her, her best friend kind of wishes she hadn't come back, and now the Cybermen are invading her home town! On one hand, Peri and the Doctor both spend the first half of the story coming to the same conclusion, and when they meet in the graveyard, it's nice to see Peri be the one explaining things to the Doctor, much to his pleasant surprise. But on the other hand...viewers know that the Peri from Planet of Fire is a very far cry from the Peri we saw in Revelation of the Daleks in terms of maturity, and that's not including the character growth she's had during her travels with Five and Six in the audio range. The Doctor gets to see that Peri, but Peri doesn't really get a chance to turn around and show that maturity to her friends and family. There's no big fist-pumping moment when Peri throws down to her mother that she was wrong to leave and not say where she was going, but she's not the teenaged attention grabbing girl she was when she left. She takes charge a bit in the second half of the story, but in a very passive and quiet way...not like Peri Brown at all! So The Reaping is a fine, but flawed story. The Cybermen portion is legitimately unsettling, we get some nice character moments with Peri's friends and family that could have shown some more emotion and character growth, and Colin Baker is once again in fine form...and then the “Lidster Twist” hits in the last five minutes of the story. I won't go into the details to avoid spoiling anyone who hasn't “experienced” it yet, but it's out-of-nowhere, shockingly cruel, and knowing that Peri still has some travels left with the Doctor (I'd put this story right after Revelation of the Daleks and before The Mysterious Planet), NOTHING CHANGES WITH PERI. For someone so desperate to go home when things go wrong with her friends and family, having what happens and then seeing the same more-mature-but-go-lucky-Peri in future adventures with Six once again means the “Lidster Twist” was for NOTHING in the long-term. Granted, the “twist” does have major ramifications in this story's follow-up The Gathering, but there were much better and less mean-spirited ways to get there... I admit, Joseph Lidster is a published writer and I’m not. It’s very easy for me as an amateur review to sit here and criticize his writing when the best I've got is this blog and a piece of fan fiction with a TV Tropes page. But when all four of his Big Finish stories that I’ve reviewed to date contain the same sort of shocking “twist” or “character revelation” that add nothing to the overall direction of the characters, it’s very hard for me not to point at those twists and go “that’s just bad writing.” Especially since, until the very end, I enjoyed The Reaping. Pro + One of Colin Baker's best portrayals of the Sixth Doctor + A needlessly complex scheme to ensure the survival of the Cybermen + John Schwab and Stuart Milligan as pawns of the Cybermen Cons - Peri doesn't get her big “I'm not the same woman” moment - The “Lidster Twist”  Synopsis – A solid Cybermen story with Colin Baker again being wonderful, The Reaping's attempt to show Peri that she can't go home again is hampered by Joseph Lidster's ending twist. Next up - Katherine Chambers makes a decision that could change all their lives, and Tegan discovers that you can never really escape the past. Peter Davison is the Doctor in...The Gathering.
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I really do wish Lidster would stop with the twists and misery porn endings. It's just overkill in too many of his stories. Like, no-one in editing just snips off the last five minutes, and leaves a perfectly good story, with a satisfactory ending. And like you said, that's fine if it leaves some lasting impact, but it never does; Eighth Doctor discovering his mind was wiped and he forgot two companions - brushes it off, Ace has a little brother - nothing comes of it, the reveal about an incident in the Doctor and Master's youth - (stupidity aside) affects nothing. This ending - nothing.
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Every time his collective works come up, I remember that I have scrubbed at least two of them from my mind. I'd forgotten about the Master and Death thing.
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CobiWann posted:If The Reaping is supposed to be a Peri story...it doesn't quite succeed. Let me just get this out of the way now – for all the flak Nicola Bryant has gotten about her American accent, it's definitely NOT a Baltimore one. Not even close. Not ONE mention of Old Bay seasoning. Jesus, she's supposed to be from Baltimore? I don't remember that at all from this or Planet of Fire. That's even worse. She's passable as generic California, maybe, but Baltimore? I've been rewatching The Wire recently and Jerusalem did a great series of episode recaps for that series, so now knowing Peri is from Baltimore my mind is trying and failing to fit her into that world somehow. The Reaping is probably, to drat with faint praise, Lidster's best script, in that it's the one you can listen to for the longest before the ending ruins the whole thing. It's a mediocre Cyberman story if you shut it off five minutes early.
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Pesky Splinter posted:And like you said, that's fine if it leaves some lasting impact, but it never does; Eighth Doctor discovering his mind was wiped and he forgot two companions - brushes it off, Ace has a little brother - nothing comes of it, the reveal about an incident in the Doctor and Master's youth - (stupidity aside) affects nothing. This ending - nothing. This has always seemed like an odd critique to me. Not that it's not a problem that none of Lidster's BIG HORRIFYING TWISTS had any impact outside their own stories, but it's not really a problem you can hold Lidster responsible for. Also, I'm fine with no one ever acknowledging the particularly stupid twists, honestly. Good stories should never be held hostage to bad stories.
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Rochallor posted:She's passable as generic California, maybe She's really, really not. Nicola Bryant is a talented actor, probably, but her American accent is, was, and clearly always will be atrocious. It sounds like the Monty Python crew from their American board room sketch mixed with some kind of Canadian thing. I wince continually when I hear it, and wish constantly that Big Finish would come up with some kind of science fiction reason to let her use her natural accent, like the Doctor adjusting the TARDIS's translation circuit so that she would sound more like him, or really, anything that will free her from this prison of trying to put on an accent she has never had the capability to do.
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docbeard posted:This has always seemed like an odd critique to me. Not that it's not a problem that none of Lidster's BIG HORRIFYING TWISTS had any impact outside their own stories, but it's not really a problem you can hold Lidster responsible for. To be fair, he IS dealing with stories that are meant to fit inbetween known quanities - televised episodes that SHOULD dictate how much character development or otherwise is capable of being fitted in. One of the problems with Lidster's stories is that he not only seems to be producing shock for its own sake, but that he produces stuff that not only won't be followed up on in future stories, but CAN'T. Other writers are guilty of that too, especially considering the number of 5th Doctor/Peri audios there are that supposedly take place between Planet of Fire and The Caves of Androzani, but Lidster is the worst offender in that he actively produces such grandiose twists that not only affect nothing/go nowhere, but would never have been able to in the first place even if other writers were inclined to follow up on them.
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For years I always assumed Nicola Bryant was American and just sounded like she did because of living in the UK. Accents blend and you end up with some bizarre transatlantic hybrids. I know after living in Louisiana for 5 years my own RP English accent was decidedly 'y'all' at times, and I guess hers was like that for much the same reasons but in the other direction. But to find out that she was British and putting on that accent (only in the last few years, I embarrassingly admit), it shows it up as a particularly poor job (although I guess it sounded passable enough to BBC ears) and makes me wonder why they didn't bother dipping into the pool of available American actors that live in the UK.
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Bicyclops posted:She's really, really not. Nicola Bryant is a talented actor, probably, but her American accent is, was, and clearly always will be atrocious. It sounds like the Monty Python crew from their American board room sketch mixed with some kind of Canadian thing. I wince continually when I hear it, and wish constantly that Big Finish would come up with some kind of science fiction reason to let her use her natural accent, like the Doctor adjusting the TARDIS's translation circuit so that she would sound more like him, or really, anything that will free her from this prison of trying to put on an accent she has never had the capability to do. I'm being generous, of course, and she clearly has her moments when she just has no idea how to say something (the only American allowed to pronounce water "worter" is Neil DeGrasse Tyson), but I really think she's...decent. A D+ is still passable after all. What's worse than Nicola Bryant's accent, though, is the lines they make her say. I bet she'd sound half as good again if they had an American or somebody familiar with American English just going through her scripts, crossing out corridor and replacing it with "hallway," that sort of thing.
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docbeard posted:This has always seemed like an odd critique to me. Not that it's not a problem that none of Lidster's BIG HORRIFYING TWISTS had any impact outside their own stories, but it's not really a problem you can hold Lidster responsible for. I can't disagree with that. And I know Who continuity is loose and flexible enough to not make individual story elements matter overall. I dunno, I guess I'm just sick of every single story of his having a some kind of needless twist. I don't want to give the impression that there shouldn't ever be twists or morbidity in who, but it's just tiresome when his stories (which have pretty good set-ups and scenes), boil down to "The Doctor saves the people from the Tin-foilians, they learn stuff about themselves, the Doctor gets in his TARDIS and flies away...but they left the gas stove on and died of carbon monoxide poisoning." --- The_Doctor posted:But to find out that she was British and putting on that accent (only in the last few years, I embarrassingly admit), it shows it up as a particularly poor job (although I guess it sounded passable enough to BBC ears) and makes me wonder why they didn't bother dipping into the pool of available American actors that live in the UK. "Look John, I've been going over the budget, we can either afford the American accent, or the money to rent the quarry, but not both." "Bugger, I need that quarry. Shoestring accent it is!"
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Pesky Splinter posted:"Look John, I've been going over the budget, we can either afford the American accent, or the money to rent the quarry, but not both." He must have been taken by her acting, because it probably wasn't her considerable assets that endeared her to him.
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The_Doctor posted:For years I always assumed Nicola Bryant was American and just sounded like she did because of living in the UK. Accents blend and you end up with some bizarre transatlantic hybrids. I know after living in Louisiana for 5 years my own RP English accent was decidedly 'y'all' at times, and I guess hers was like that for much the same reasons but in the other direction. Similarly bizarre was when for series six they went and filmed in America and found a British actor working over there to play an American FBI agent. And then used an American actor to play Nixon but got one that is mostly based in the UK.
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The_Doctor posted:He must have been taken by her acting, because it probably wasn't her considerable assets that endeared her to him. I always have a laugh on the DVD commentaries when they're talking about JNT basically being the worst person in the world to have in charge of trying to figure out how to make the female companions more appealing to an older male audience.
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The_Doctor posted:He must have been taken by her acting, because it probably wasn't her considerable assets that endeared her to him. At RegenerationWho, she told a great story about only wearing loose, comfortable clothes all the way from audition to the bikini shoot in Planet of Fire. Where JNT told her he brought along some padding "just in case." "At least I know these didn't get me the job!"
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She also told a story about how JNT insisted "Perpugilliam" was an American name because he read it in a book. And always had a copy of that book handy to prove it.
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Rochallor posted:Jesus, she's supposed to be from Baltimore? I don't remember that at all from this or Planet of Fire. That's even worse. She's passable as generic California, maybe, but Baltimore? I've been rewatching The Wire recently and Jerusalem did a great series of episode recaps for that series, so now knowing Peri is from Baltimore my mind is trying and failing to fit her into that world somehow. Well, be fair. When American shows present a British person, they all have the same stereotypical British accent.
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Rochallor posted:Jesus, she's supposed to be from Baltimore? I don't remember that at all from this or Planet of Fire. That's even worse. She's passable as generic California, maybe, but Baltimore? Peri's accent can change two or three times in one sentence.
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Davros1 posted:Well, be fair. When American shows present a British person, they all have the same stereotypical British accent. Also in Doctor Who, all aliens and people from the future have a British accent.
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Davros1 posted:Well, be fair. When American shows present a British person, they all have the same stereotypical British accent. It's worse, really. They give everyone a random collection of British accents. Buffy and Frasier are probably the funniest examples - Daphne's family has people with accents from everywhere except where she's from, including Australia, and of course, Anthony Head has to do a sputtering RP, but he also had to coach the American James Marsters on doing his accent, to say nothing of Drusilla, Angelus or Wesley, all of whom are Americans affecting some different accent from the Isles.
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Bicyclops posted:It's worse, really. They give everyone a random collection of British accents. Buffy and Frasier are probably the funniest examples - Daphne's family has people with accents from everywhere except where she's from, including Australia, and of course, Anthony Head has to do a sputtering RP, but he also had to coach the American James Marsters on doing his accent, to say nothing of Drusilla, Angelus or Wesley, all of whom are Americans affecting some different accent from the Isles. Wesley/Alexis Denisof's English accent is astoundingly good. I say this as an Englishman that I had no clue he wasn't one of us. A few years later I heard his real American accent and it's the most cringeworthy Californian accent, real "oh wow gee" stuff.
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Jun 14, 2015 18:28
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The_Doctor posted:Wesley/Alexis Denisof's English accent is astoundingly good. I say this as an Englishman that I had no clue he wasn't one of us. A few years later I heard his real American accent and it's the most cringeworthy Californian accent, real "oh wow gee" stuff. Alexis Denisof sounds objectively incorrect with his native accent. Bicyclops posted:It's worse, really. They give everyone a random collection of British accents. Buffy and Frasier are probably the funniest examples - Daphne's family has people with accents from everywhere except where she's from, including Australia, and of course, Anthony Head has to do a sputtering RP, but he also had to coach the American James Marsters on doing his accent, to say nothing of Drusilla, Angelus or Wesley, all of whom are Americans affecting some different accent from the Isles. I think the best part of Buffy was when James Marsters had to affect Tony Head's accent affecting a Texan accent.
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Jun 14, 2015 18:30
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The_Doctor posted:Wesley/Alexis Denisof's English accent is astoundingly good. I say this as an Englishman that I had no clue he wasn't one of us. A few years later I heard his real American accent and it's the most cringeworthy Californian accent, real "oh wow gee" stuff. He spent years living in England, which helps. But yeah, after watching him on Angel, it sounds like he's doing a bit whenever he uses his native accent. I've been rewatching the show, and I think he fumbles a little at the beginning, but then really does well with it. Marsters does a decent enough job for American ears, but I'm guessing it'd grate to hear him for most British folks.
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Jun 14, 2015 18:31
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I've heard mixed reports, everyone seems to agree he was awful when he first appeared. But I've seen about a 50/50 split on British people liking/not liking his accent later in the series.
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