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tbh everything in the show makes sense on its own, it's just that people are dumb and the VN, due to being in a mostly textual medium, has to explicitly explain a lot of stuff
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Jun 28, 2015 23:20
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I mean, with every other adaptation I've seen people usually say things in the form of, "Hey I didn't quite understand what happened there can anyone help me out or pull something from the source material?" With this exact show in particular people seem to be going, "this didn't quite make sense to me this is bullshit and this entire show is bullshit."
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Jun 28, 2015 23:27
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As an anime-only viewer, If I wanted to go back and watch the 2006 Fate route adaptation, would it spoil any of the upcoming Heaven's Feel arc?
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Jun 29, 2015 02:05
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Not really though it'll allude to one thing. You shouldn't watch it though cause it's poo poo.
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Jun 29, 2015 02:06
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Twiddy posted:I mean, with every other adaptation I've seen people usually say things in the form of, "Hey I didn't quite understand what happened there can anyone help me out or pull something from the source material?" With this exact show in particular people seem to be going, "this didn't quite make sense to me this is bullshit and this entire show is bullshit." Not really.
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Jun 29, 2015 02:07
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Didn't think I was poo poo posting. I just wanted to talk about what I thought were failings of UBW. Reading this thread has made me realize that I should divorce myself from the idea that UBW was a direct follow up to Fate/Zero and it's better to think of it as its own thing. After doing so, I have determined that it's not that great. Above par for you average anime but that's not really a testament of quality. Probably would not have watched it otherwise.
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Jun 29, 2015 02:52
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Mad Lupine posted:Didn't think I was poo poo posting. I just wanted to talk about what I thought were failings of UBW. Reading this thread has made me realize that I should divorce myself from the idea that UBW was a direct follow up to Fate/Zero and it's better to think of it as its own thing. After doing so, I have determined that it's not that great. Above par for you average anime but that's not really a testament of quality. Probably would not have watched it otherwise.
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Jun 29, 2015 03:17
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Surprisingly Dope posted:Not really. Dude there was a poster literally saying the show should've been rewritten to not require a single person to have seen or understood the plot of the Fate route or leave any loose threads for Heaven's Feel.
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Jun 29, 2015 03:58
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The reaction to all this poo poo posting can simply be summed up with my avatar. In fact almost every posts reaction can be summed up with it.
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Jun 29, 2015 05:49
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adaptions should probably stand on their own but UBW makes sense without the VN so i don't know why this became an argument
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Jun 29, 2015 05:51
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Mad Lupine posted:Didn't think I was poo poo posting. I just wanted to talk about what I thought were failings of UBW. Reading this thread has made me realize that I should divorce myself from the idea that UBW was a direct follow up to Fate/Zero and it's better to think of it as its own thing. After doing so, I have determined that it's not that great. Above par for you average anime but that's not really a testament of quality. Probably would not have watched it otherwise. That is EXACTLY the mindset you should have gone in with in the first place. UBW is not a follow up to F/Z. That is a giant source of the issues people have over it, treating it like a follow up to F/Z, which it's not. It is it's own thing. And feeling it's not great is fair enough.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:00
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Let's take a quick look at the many ways in which Shirou could have hosed up in this show. If Shirou hadn't stopped Saber with a command spell, she would have kicked Archer's rear end. Rin has Archer retreat rather than lose him, hoping to escape with help of some of her gems. This doesn't work out, and Saber is about to take her head before Shirou finally stops her. With Archer being weakened from his fight, Rin decides to team up with Shirou from the beginning. While all this may seem positive, starting the fight with all three command spells and an ally, it means he is now stuck in Fate, the least cool route. If Shirou had given up his command spells and abandoned the Grail War, Ilya and Berserker would have attacked him on his way home, after he had parted ways with Rin. Berserker breaks his legs and Ilya decides to keep him alive with magic and torture him indefinitely. If Shirou had run away from the Berserker fight when Rin told him to, Saber would have been defeated off-camera (probably by Archer's nuke arrow), and a while afterwards someone stabs Shirou to death. Shirou doesn't see the killer before bleeding out. If, when running away from Rin, Shirou had tried to get out of the school instead of seeking refuge in a classroom, he would have walked straight into a trap. Rin would have knocked him out, ripped the Command Spells from his hand and erased all his memories of magic, the Grail War, and herself. If Shirou had tried to use a Command Spell to call Saber while fighting Rider, Rider would have sliced off his arm before the magic activated. Rider was going easy on Shirou solely because she wanted him to use it, only to look at his face when she took his arm instead. Because she gets off on that. If Shirou had asked Issei about the grail war directly instead of stripping him, he would have activated an sleeper command that Caster had planted on him. Issei would have attacked Shirou by surprise, sliced his throat, and then sliced his own. After Souichiro kicks Saber butt, Shirou had the option to go protect her from Caster instead of facing Souichiro with Rin, hoping that without the advantage of surprise Rin is able to fend him off. This doesn't really work out, and Souichiro kills them both in quick succession. Shirou could have accepted Caster's first proposal when she was using Taiga as a hostage, and joined team Caster alongside Saber. Caster then turns Shirou into "something" in order to use magic through him. The entire ending is told in Shirou's first person so we don't know what happened to him, but he talks about how "he can't feel his arms and legs and it feels like his brain is full of mud". Also every time he sees Saber she looks disturbed, and apologizes to him. Caster wins the Grail War. At some point later, Rin breaks into Caster's laboratory and put Shirou out of his misery, which is the best she can do for him now. If Shirou had gone take refuge in the church instead of going around looking for Toshaka, he would have run into Caster, who would have killed him. If Shirou had jumped into the fight between Caster and Rin before Archer's betrayal, Caster and Kuzuki decide the situation is unpredictable enough to call Saber. With her help, team Caster wins the fight. If Shirou had remained hidden while Gilgamesh killed Ilya, Lancer would not have offered his help later. Without Lancer, they have no chance against team Caster. The same thing happens if Shirou decides to reject Lancer's offer. He also could have accepted Lancer's help without conditions, which doesn't lead to any bad end but leads to less Rin faces. Instead of fighting against the Grail black hole, Shirou could have jumped straight into it, dragging Gil with him. Finally, had Shirou carefully balanced the affection of Saber and Rin all through the story, Saber would have managed to keep enough mana to remain in this world after destroying the Grail. Afterwards, Rin and Shirou keep her existing by pooling their mana, and the three of them live exciting adventures.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:15
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I forget how great the bad endings are sometimes. Good Ending is ehn.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:20
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 Every day until you like it, etc etc
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Jun 29, 2015 07:26
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I get the joke, but put a dickworm in the fish's place for how that poo poo probably went down for realsies.
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Jun 29, 2015 08:39
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Chickenfrogman posted:Not really though it'll allude to one thing. You shouldn't watch it though cause it's poo poo. Does it diverge from the VNs, or is it just a crappy adaptation, or what? No one's really told me why to avoid the 2006 series.
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Jun 29, 2015 12:39
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Deen is just a really loving terrible studio, so you'll wind up with something with awful animation and really bizarre editing/pacing in FSN 2006's case. They also halfheartedly went for an attempt to work in plot elements from other routes and did a terrible job of doing so.
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Jun 29, 2015 12:53
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Harettazetta posted:Does it diverge from the VNs, or is it just a crappy adaptation, or what? No one's really told me why to avoid the 2006 series. It's pretty much straight out the fate route. It has some weird added stuff thats from heavens feel and UBW but nothing ever comes of them.
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Jun 29, 2015 13:06
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Wili posted:Instead of fighting against the Grail black hole, Shirou could have jumped straight into it, dragging Gil with him. Wouldn't this make Shirou the new Grail core? Wouldn't the Grail just start to remanifest if that was the case?
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Jun 29, 2015 14:05
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Compendium posted:I forget how great the bad endings are sometimes. I wouldn't mind a 10 minute OVA thing on the Blu-rays for this show to have the Good Ending. I don't know what they'd do with "Rin gets her Saber and Shirou harem at last", but I'm sure they'd think of something.
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Jun 29, 2015 14:11
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Regarding Shirou's future according to Nasu:quote:*Desert scene- After the end credits. A desert scene, same as the opening. Shirou walks alone. His strength falters and he stops walking. Shirou looks down to shield his eyes from the sandstorm, and sees traces of someone else having been there (the place where Archer stopped). Shirou breathes out and looks up. There's fake endurance in his expression, but it's full of hope. Shirou walks away with a steady gait. The camera lingers on the traces of Archer's presence, and watches Shirou leave as the shot ends. It's very metaphorical but according to the script Nasu sent UFO Shirou clearly makes it further than Archer did.
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Jun 29, 2015 15:51
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Raenir Salazar posted:Regarding Shirou's future according to Nasu: Posted this myself 5 pages ago right after the episode aired, get on my level bruh.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:38
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Hahaha holy poo poo, didn't notice this detail. Rin's powers are mighty indeed.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:42
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One thing I have to say, even if you didn't like the show (and no one's trying to force you to like something you don't), one thing that's really apparent if you know the source material is that Ufotable are TypeMoon fanboys and by God, they tried. All the little details are part of that.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:16
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lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget
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Jun 30, 2015 23:20
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget Jesus Christ.
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Jun 30, 2015 23:21
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget   
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Jun 30, 2015 23:22
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget
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Jun 30, 2015 23:23
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget OK. This is poo poo posting.
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Jun 30, 2015 23:33
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget  gr8 b8 m8
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Jun 30, 2015 23:33
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget I agree with you.
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Jul 1, 2015 01:10
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Mad, Prefuse 
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Jul 1, 2015 01:11
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I was tempted to use a Rin gif or reaction face but neither of you deserve her
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Jul 1, 2015 01:15
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This thread is bad and I feel I contributed. I am sorry.
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Jul 1, 2015 01:17
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Monomythian posted:lol if you think this wasn't another DEEN quality adaptation under a gloss of an enormous budget 
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Jul 1, 2015 01:26
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Seriously though, its dissapointing this show had such a huge budget and then they used it to makes fights where two characters alternated clashing with their pointy weapons and then talking at each other for 2 minutes and then one of them uses their super power and then the fight is over. Jesus christ.
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Surprisingly Dope posted:Seriously though, its dissapointing this show had such a huge budget and then they used it to makes fights where two characters alternated clashing with their pointy weapons and then talking at each other for 2 minutes and then one of them uses their super power and then the fight is over. Jesus christ.
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Surprisingly Dope posted:Seriously though, its dissapointing this show had such a huge budget and then they used it to makes fights where two characters alternated clashing with their pointy weapons and then talking at each other for 2 minutes and then one of them uses their super power and then the fight is over. Jesus christ. that's literally what f/sn is about
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I think they could have made the fight pacing better.
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