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MagicCube
May 25, 2004

I love EHM and still regularly play 07, but I'm going to stick to 07 until at least a full release. SI has a horrible track record of putting out bug-free full versions of FM every year so I can imagine some of the crazy stuff that could happen in an early release. Hopefully they can sort it all out ahead of time so we don't have to wait 3-6 months into a full version for them to patch everything though.

Quick question though. Is the tactics engine largely unchanged? Can you just straight load a tactic from 07 and have it function the same as it would in terms of results?

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ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

T-Bone posted:

For those who have played 07 -- is weight still hugely overpowered?

I've only played one season so I'm not 100% the right person to answer this, but I felt that skill was a lot more useful. The top scorers were Seguin, Crosby and I think Malkin so there was no emphasis on size and strength. Scoring totals across the board for forwards were about what you would expect (perhaps a bit lower - Seguin lead the league with 88 points), and I didn't really see any instances of big guys dominating unexpectedly. Trading logic is broken because teams have a tendency to give up on prospects very quickly (Jared Tinordi was traded straight up for Brandon McMillan) and scheduling is terrible, but otherwise it plays essentially the same as 07.

Season momentum was totally off too. I opened the season losing 20 of my first 23 or so games, then played .700 hockey for the last 3 months of the season including ending the year on an 8 game win streak which pushed me to pick 2nd overall instead of 1st. My board now expects me to make the playoffs next year.

Defencemen also no longer contribute offence in a meaningful way. Weber won the Norris with 8 goals and 31 points.

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Mar 30, 2015

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Yeah trades are horrific. Teams don't value draft picks or prospects really at all. I offered my first round pick for the following season around the league after a fourth to last place finish and I was literally getting offers of Adam Burish and a 2nd from the same draft I was offering my first from. A first rounder doesn't get you anything better than a low pick and a barely NHL serviceable player. Do I have to set my needs? I actually don't see where I can do that. Help?

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Other than Semin having an insane win all the awards season, the leading scorer was Stamkos with 110, I wish I could have the seasons you guys are having with low scoring.

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Because I couldn't deal my first for a player, I signed Glencross and Stafford to nice deals. I also signed Zbynek Michalek to help teach the kids while Hanifin plays a year at Albany. So it'll be Greene-Merrill, Larsson-Gelinas, Severson-Michalek, which should be a drat good defense considering how good Merrill is now.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Yeah first round picks are incredibly undervalued if you try to trade them away, yet at the same time teams refuse to part with them for any reason. Usually 3 or 4 first round picks are moved around the deadline, and I tried to sell a bunch of good players and absolutely everyone refused to move a first round pick. It was annoying (although 2nd rounders bounced around the league like tennis balls).

Teams will also trade players they acquired literally a week in advance. The Wild went through about 5 goalies in a single season.

I also drafted Eichel and my board refused to let him have rookie max unless I set him as a core player. If you try and sign a first round pick but list them as a 'hot prospect for the future.' The board decides they aren't worth more than $700,00 a year. Jared McCann has also vehemently refused to sign with me because he's 'quite happy with his role at SSM.' I guess $1500 a year in juniors playing for a good team is a lot more fun than $1,000,000 a year in the NHL?

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


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ThinkTank posted:

The Wild went through about 5 goalies in a single season.


this is p realistic op

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



I don't see any indication that this game is better than EHM 2007 was in any way, so uhhhhh why has it already been released to early access?

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007



eXXon posted:

I don't see any indication that this game is better than EHM 2007 was in any way, so uhhhhh why has it already been released to early access?

early access is a new way to say "its in alpha, except you pay for it!"

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Aye Doc posted:

early access is a new way to say "its in alpha, except you pay for it!"

It's more like a beta than an alpha. It's just needs fine tuning.

SI is doing it this way so it can hedge its bets and not invest hardcore in a full release. If it sells well enough as an EA they can put a bit more money into it, if not they can quietly shelve it and save a bit of cash. It's a cheap rear end business model for a company like SEGA, but I love the series so much so I of course fell for it.

Other than the mythical player roles, there are no improvements over 07.

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.
i've forgotten how to set it so basically all simulation is automatic (tactics/rosters/dont have to watch every game) - where are those settings? also, how do i sim a large chunk of time, a few months in a go? I remember being able to do this, but not how.

also martin st louis was just traded for the rights to kyle jenkins. hmm.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Verviticus posted:

i've forgotten how to set it so basically all simulation is automatic (tactics/rosters/dont have to watch every game) - where are those settings? also, how do i sim a large chunk of time, a few months in a go? I remember being able to do this, but not how.

Turn off detailed game reports: Settings>Detail Level>Quick Sim/Later Stages (just gives in depth reports of the playoffs). You can set it up how you want for each league, but I set it all to Quick Sim because I don't give a poo poo about watching games. You still get match reports, player ratings, etc. you just don't get to see replays of little dots wiggling around the ice.

To not coach games yourself: GM Options>Head Coach takes control of games/Head coach takes control of exhibition games.

You can also 'go on vacation' from the GM options, which advances time without your intervention either indefinitely or until a set date.

Verviticus posted:

also martin st louis was just traded for the rights to kyle jenkins. hmm.

Yeah the AI is pretty agressive about getting under the cap and seems to default to trying to move big money older players to do so. It's a well documented issue they're already working on.

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Mar 31, 2015

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.

ThinkTank posted:

Turn off detailed game reports: Settings>Detail Level>Quick Sim/Later Stages (just gives in depth reports of the playoffs). You can set it up how you want for each league, but I set it all to Quick Sim because I don't give a poo poo about watching games. You still get match reports, player ratings, etc. you just don't get to see replays of little dots wiggling around the ice.

To not coach games yourself: GM Options>Head Coach takes control of games/Head coach takes control of exhibition games.

You can also 'go on vacation' from the GM options, which advances time without your intervention either indefinitely or until a set date.


Yeah the AI is pretty agressive about getting under the cap and seems to default to trying to move big money older players to do so. It's a well documented issue they're already working on.

ah ha, thank you

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


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I need to make new teams!

Rutkowski
Apr 28, 2008

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?
Can you make an expansion draft in this game? I want to start next season as GM of the Seattle Fraisers and also add the Las Vegas Cashouts join the league to make all divisions a full eight each, is there any ingame support for this?

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

How do I set team needs for the trade block?

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

Rutkowski posted:

Can you make an expansion draft in this game? I want to start next season as GM of the Seattle Fraisers and also add the Las Vegas Cashouts join the league to make all divisions a full eight each, is there any ingame support for this?

No :( That's my big hang up with this game is you're pretty hamstrung.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Brodeurs Nanny posted:

How do I set team needs for the trade block?

Team Roster Page>Actions (Tip right)>Set Team Needs

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Thanks. I'm pissed though. I didn't realize when you Go On Vacation your acting GM in your stead goes and does the dumbest poo poo in the world. He signed Matt Carkner, Willie Mitchell, Bryan Allen, and Jay Beagle to pretty substantial multi-year contracts and now my board is pissed because I'm over the cap. I had such an ideal off-season (I traded Helgeson+3rd for Leo Komarov and then Timmins+Zharkov (who's doing really well in the KHL weirdly)+1st+5th for David Backes, and my lineup was so set, and now I have all this lovely dead weight and I'm over the cap and I can't really unfuck my team because it's September 1 and the game didn't auto-save at a reasonable point. So now I kinda have to start over or re-do my off-season.

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

My lineup would have been:

Stafford-Zajac-Cammalleri
Elias-Backes-Boucher
Glencross-Henrique-Komarov
Matteau-Josefson-Ruutu

Greene-Merrill
Larsson-Severson
Z. Michalek-Gelinas

Schneider

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Man scheduling is super broken, look at this stretch in my second season.



Yes that's six games in six days.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause
With trips to Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Buffalo, to boot

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

ThinkTank posted:

Man scheduling is super broken, look at this stretch in my second season.



Yes that's six games in six days.

Looks like the Wild schedule half the time

Paulocaust
Jan 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Brodeurs Nanny posted:

Thanks. I'm pissed though. I didn't realize when you Go On Vacation your acting GM in your stead goes and does the dumbest poo poo in the world. He signed Matt Carkner, Willie Mitchell, Bryan Allen, and Jay Beagle to pretty substantial multi-year contracts and now my board is pissed because I'm over the cap. I had such an ideal off-season (I traded Helgeson+3rd for Leo Komarov and then Timmins+Zharkov (who's doing really well in the KHL weirdly)+1st+5th for David Backes, and my lineup was so set, and now I have all this lovely dead weight and I'm over the cap and I can't really unfuck my team because it's September 1 and the game didn't auto-save at a reasonable point. So now I kinda have to start over or re-do my off-season.

You have to turn auto gm settings off if you don't want transactions made when you're gone.

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Paulocaust posted:

You have to turn auto gm settings off if you don't want transactions made when you're gone.

Dammit

inSTAALed
Feb 3, 2008

MOP

n'

SLOP
i did a fantasy draft and there are like 30 players on pace to have 100+ point seasons

Paulocaust
Jan 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

inSTAALed posted:

i did a fantasy draft and there are like 30 players on pace to have 100+ point seasons

You guys that keep saying this, it's almost definitely likely that the database you're using is hosed up, not the game itself. I've done like 8 years now and the scoring is on par with current day NHL.

inSTAALed
Feb 3, 2008

MOP

n'

SLOP

Paulocaust posted:

You guys that keep saying this, it's almost definitely likely that the database you're using is hosed up, not the game itself. I've done like 8 years now and the scoring is on par with current day NHL.

i am using the most recent TBL roster update, but i am fine with the scoring being ridiculously high like this because it is hilarious

my first line is tarasenko - malkin - jagr and they usually get 2-3 points each per game since my tactics are pure run and gun for the most part

most of the other players in the top 30 for scoring are pairs of superstars on the same line like perry/crosby, ovechkin/staal, p kane/getzlaf

also the defensive scoring is just as crazy as the forward scoring with a handful of defensemen looking like they will be right around 80-90 points.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting the scorelines of 4-2 and 4-3 pretty much every game. The 2nd half of my second season I'd estimate 75% or more of my games ended with one of those scores, and probably 40-50% of games around the league did too. It's stupid.

e: looking into it a bit closer it probably jumps up to around 60% of games around the league if you include 3-2. This game is more broken than I was expecting :smith:

e2: Someone really needs to power up the first couple drafts. McDavid had a 28 point rookie season and Eichel played most of the year in the AHL.

e3: Just to load up this post, McCann is going to be lost for nothing because last year he was 'happy with his role in SSM' and refused to sign and now the board thinks rookie max for him is 'unrealistic' despite him winning all the CHL awards possible.

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Apr 3, 2015

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

Yeah it's a little too broken to have fun doing GM mode right now.

Twin Cinema
Jun 1, 2006



Playoffs are no big deal,
don't have a crap attack.

ThinkTank posted:

e2: Someone really needs to power up the first couple drafts. McDavid had a 28 point rookie season and Eichel played most of the year in the AHL.

Was this the same issue with EHM07, or was it just my game?

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Twin Cinema posted:

Was this the same issue with EHM07, or was it just my game?

A lot of the draftees in EHM07 turned out pretty crappy, but the retired player regens were always gold. Just look for the 6'5 230 Swedish centre and the 6'9 255 Slovakian defenseman and you're good to go.

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

eXXon posted:

A lot of the draftees in EHM07 turned out pretty crappy, but the retired player regens were always gold. Just look for the 6'5 230 Swedish centre and the 6'9 255 Slovakian defenseman and you're good to go.

Or the Hasek goalie.

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
Anybody else feeling like the honeymoon is over? I'm not having much fun and only feeling bugs

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
It was worth $10 for the time I put in it but yeah kind of weak. At least it's on Steam I guess??

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Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

Pornographic Memory posted:

It was worth $10 for the time I put in it but yeah kind of weak. At least it's on Steam I guess??

Yeah! It's weird...FHM is almost feeling better because I can do customization.

inSTAALed
Feb 3, 2008

MOP

n'

SLOP
someday it will reach feature parity with FM

:allears:

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

How close does this track with prospects/development? Basically I have several dudes who are 19/20 that have junior eligibility left, aren't quite ready for the NHL and can also go to the AHL. Does it make a noticeable difference of sending them back to junior vs playing in the AHL? I'm sending most of them back to junior but there are couple that are borderline.

Also it bugs me that the salary cap doesn't increase, even though as long as player salaries don't increase it doesn't actually matter.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

myron cope posted:

How close does this track with prospects/development? Basically I have several dudes who are 19/20 that have junior eligibility left, aren't quite ready for the NHL and can also go to the AHL. Does it make a noticeable difference of sending them back to junior vs playing in the AHL? I'm sending most of them back to junior but there are couple that are borderline.

Also it bugs me that the salary cap doesn't increase, even though as long as player salaries don't increase it doesn't actually matter.

In 2007 it was always the best idea to let players develop in juniors and then the AHL for as long as possible. I'm a few seasons into this version and so far it seems like doing the same thing is still the best bet.

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myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

ThinkTank posted:

In 2007 it was always the best idea to let players develop in juniors and then the AHL for as long as possible. I'm a few seasons into this version and so far it seems like doing the same thing is still the best bet.

Good because that's what I've been doing for all of the borderline dudes, juniors or AHL (and even then, pretty much entirely junior if they're eligible)--even guys that could probably contribute who aren't waiver eligible have to go sometimes. It's a harsh world.


I had Tuukka Rask signed to a deal well under the salary the board allowed and then right as I was about to approve it they vetoed the deal saying it wasn't "realistic" :argh: :confused:

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