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I know AI is getting sick of me, but I need advice My transmission is leaking and all the shops I've called won't do it. I got redirected to a local transmission chain who quoted the job at $850 @ 95/hr. That's INSANE. Do mechanics normally not do this?
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Apr 1, 2015 01:25
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Is this to replace the input shaft seal, or the seal and the input shaft? What is the transmission out of?
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Apr 1, 2015 01:27
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Is this to replace the input shaft seal, or the seal and the input shaft? What is the transmission out of? It's seriously an easy job
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Apr 1, 2015 01:54
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What's insane about $850 to pull your vehicle into a shop (which costs money to buy, maintain and heat), put it up on a lift (which costs a lot of money to buy), use a bunch of expensive tools to remove a very large part from your vehicle, replace a seal which will likely require special ordering (possibly from Sweden?), use those specialized tools to put the whole thing back, and then at some point actually pay the guy doing all this for his labor? It doesn't sound to me like you have really considered what it costs to own and properly maintain a several thousand point death machine. You ought to think about public transportation. If it's a 'seriously easy job', do it yourself and stick it to the man. Otherwise, pay up or park it before you neglect some other expensive component and kill somebody.
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Apr 1, 2015 01:55
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A lot of mechanics refuse to touch transmissions, beyond remove/replace. They require a specialized set of tools (often for each make, sometimes several for each make depending on the year model), aloing with a specialized skill set that's beyond what most shops want to do. For most shops, it makes more sense to just refer anything requiring opening up the transmission to a transmission shop. Figure it's going to take an average tech a few hours to remove it, a few more hours to reinstall it, plus a couple of hours to clean it up, replace all of the external seals, etc. You can save most of that labor by removing/reinstalling it yourself.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:03
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I don't think that 95 an hour is an 'INSANE' rate and 8-9 hours seems reasonable?
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Apr 1, 2015 02:09
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Advent Horizon posted:What's insane about $850 to pull your vehicle into a shop (which costs money to buy, maintain and heat), put it up on a lift (which costs a lot of money to buy), use a bunch of expensive tools to remove a very large part from your vehicle, replace a seal which will likely require special ordering (possibly from Sweden?), use those specialized tools to put the whole thing back, and then at some point actually pay the guy doing all this for his labor? Ok man you want to get into it? Mechanics pull cars into there shops all day that is IS there client (maybe of you've never noticed shop managers desks are in the garage) so that's free. Pulling a transmission with a lift and a second pair of hands 3 hours max, @45/hr. The seal costs 20 and you can order it on eBay. I didn't say I wanted it tomorrow. If you knew anything about automotive you would know your special tools would be a socket and a breaker bar.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:09
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$45/hour?  I don't know any shop that charges below $75/hour. Most are closer to $100. And most shops go by book labor. If the book says removal alone is 3 hours, you get dinged for 3 hours for removal, whether it takes them an hour and a half, or five hours. That second pair of hands cuts down on how long it takes to remove your transmission, but takes them away from another job. Someone's gotta pay for the equipment, the building, the tools, the employees, training, access to repair manuals (Alldata isn't cheap), the utilities, taxes, disposal fees, insurance, etc etc etc. Shops aren't in the business of working for free, and all of that stuff (especially insurance and equipment) are expensive. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 02:10
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This is all BS I'm not going to pay an astronomical amount of money, seriously no one has answered my question (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 1, 2015 02:19
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bikesonyx posted:This is all BS I'm not going to pay an astronomical amount of money, seriously no one has answered my question with the answers I want to hear.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:21
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Am I lying, you didn't
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Apr 1, 2015 02:24
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is this a sperglord parachute account? cause were answering your question and what your saying back is *I like to feel the speed of a curve at 80mph in my pajama pants. But gently caress replacing a battery cable(seal In your instance)
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Apr 1, 2015 02:24
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What color is you 93 Saab?
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Apr 1, 2015 02:33
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Replacing the input seal could require taking the transmission case apart, which would add a few hours to the standard 4-5 it takes to remove and replace the transmission.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:37
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bikesonyx posted:Seal / 93 Saab N/A Yeah I gently caress around with my transmission and remove it on a whim to do really minor poo poo or make things more accessible. Its so easy.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:57
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95/hr is a pretty good deal to get your input shaft worked on. My mechanic charges me a hell of a lot more. Oh wait that's my favourite hooker who charges that much, sorry MrChips fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 03:03
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bikesonyx posted:This is all BS I'm not going to pay an astronomical amount of money, seriously no one has answered my question Adjusted for inflation, your car cost about $33,000 new. $850, or about 2.6% of the new replacement value, is not "astronomical". If you don't want to pay, I suggest you simply don't. Please don't poo poo up AI with a 'recommend me a car that won't cost an astronomical amount of money' thread when your refusal to pay the costs of maintaining your car result in a loss of said car. Now 
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Apr 1, 2015 03:06
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OP is this you? http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-could-have-made-same-meal-at-home-but-wor,37774/
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Apr 1, 2015 03:09
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Isn't that also a FWD car? It probably needs the suspension and axles partially disassembled and taken apart to get the transmission out as well. If $850 is the total out the door cost, that seems pretty reasonable. The last time I saw a labor rate of $45/hour was probably when this car was brand new.
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Apr 1, 2015 03:10
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Aren't Saabs the one where the input shaft seal is part of the throwout bearing and slave cylinder? That poo poo is probably completely loving insane.
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Apr 1, 2015 03:20
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The last input shaft I did cost a customer $5700 (including new clutch and a few other transmission-related repairs). It was on a Black Peterbilt 359 
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Apr 1, 2015 03:20
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Cars sometimes require expensive maintenance, news at 11. But seriously, you can pay $850 now, or $$$$ when your transmission finally shits the bed from lack of maintenance. Pick a price, it ain't gonna get any cheaper. (And take it from a former shitbag owner, you might say "I can just keep topping it up with fluid and it'll be fine" but you'll forget one morning, or the slow leak will suddenly become a fast leak, and then you're stranded on the side of the road and hosed twice. Thrice if you have to get it towed.) rndmnmbr fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 03:22
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I suggest you write Saab corporate a firmly worded letter about this travesty and blatant ripoff.
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Apr 1, 2015 03:27
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Most mechanic shops refer transmission work to other shops, and at the very most they will pull the trans for you and send it out to be worked on, then reinstall it. It isn't very common that they'll do the work in house, and you might have to find a Saab dealer or specialist for this. Shops quote you on a book price. They have a program that states a reasonable* time frame to do a particular task, because not every shop has done 1,000 of them and can estimate the exact time the last 999 took. They multiply this by their hourly rate, add in shop supplies and parts, and give you an estimate. It could be more, it could be less. This means that what you actually pay could be more or less than that quote depending on what they encounter on your particular vehicle. If you want to argue about what a reasonable hourly rate is, ask the shop owner to sit down and outline all his overhead while you cry about paying $95/hour for someone with specialty skills to do specialty work. If you find a "shop" willing to do it for $45/hour, you probably aren't going to get the highest quality repair. You bought a car that is expensive to maintain. Suck it up and pay the man, or sell the car. * These numbers aren't always accurate, they could be low or high, but work well as a starting point for the estimate.
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Apr 1, 2015 03:29
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Mechanics don't do input shaft's what?
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Apr 1, 2015 04:56
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Tommychu posted:The last input shaft I did cost a customer $5700 (including new clutch and a few other transmission-related repairs). That's a good looking truck. Hey, OP, is this your SAAB? 
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Apr 1, 2015 06:14
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But how do I fix shaft's?
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Apr 1, 2015 06:26
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OP you have one of the weirdest engine/tranny combos in history, it's not normal and it's going to be expensive. Your input shaft seal is behind a chain drive down under that aluminum front cover with a motor mount on it. You will pay what they ask and you will like it. Also make sure you are at a Saab specialty shop because any other shop will gently caress the quote up, not having any real idea how to R&R your tranny. 
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Apr 1, 2015 06:39
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I'd love to have a couple of mechanics I've met do my input shaft's. 
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Apr 1, 2015 06:48
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LloydDobler posted:OP you have one of the weirdest engine/tranny combos in history, it's not normal and it's going to be expensive. Your input shaft seal is behind a chain drive down under that aluminum front cover with a motor mount on it. Haha, that's fantastic. OP, you had better go to a dealership.
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Apr 1, 2015 07:37
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Everyone should, at some point during their early adult life, be forced to run their own business. Doesn't have to be anything big really, just something that requires some equipment, some knowledge and some transportation, and then go deal with customers. It's never as cheap as it seems. Transportation, depreciation, education, insurance, waiting, bullshit, customers that don't pay, pay late, contest the bill... OP, the price you're quoted is either a "gently caress off we actually don't want the job" price or a "this is actually what it costs" price. Do shop around, but if five different shops tell you roughly the same thing, they're probably on to something. Edit: I loving love that you're able to properly pluralize one word, yet the next one 80 pixels down...
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Apr 1, 2015 08:57
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$850 to R&R the trans, with a seal job while it's out? That seems pretty loving fair to me.
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Apr 1, 2015 09:26
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LloydDobler posted:OP you have one of the weirdest engine/tranny combos in history, it's not normal and it's going to be expensive. Your input shaft seal is behind a chain drive down under that aluminum front cover with a motor mount on it. We still don't seem to have confirmed if we are talking a Saab 9-3 or a '93 Saab. If its a '93 Saab we could be talking a c900 an ng900 or a 9000. Getting that front cover off the gearbox on a c900/99 is actually pretty easy and can be done with the engine/box fitted. You can just support it and take the cover/mount off. I've had a lot of c900's and 99's and have never had to do any seals down there though. bikesonyx posted:Seal / 93 Saab N/A I suspect we are talking 9-3 here, in which case the engine gearbox layout is much more conventional
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Apr 1, 2015 11:13
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Any chance this is an April Fools thing?
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Apr 1, 2015 11:43
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OP, if the price/labor seems that high to you then you must have researched what is involved in replacing the input shaft seal right? Why don't you put you research to good use and fix it yourself? I mean if you need tools, $850 buys a decent bit! Then you'll have the tools to keep when the job's done! Now if you aren't 100% sure it's just that easy, I would suggest just loving shelling out the money and letting the mechanics do their jobs. Or blow your transmission.
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Apr 1, 2015 11:47
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I'm with everyone else. The lives doesn't seem that bad. I've always assumed anything requiring removing the transmission is $1k starting price. You could always sell you sabb and get something reliable.
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Apr 1, 2015 12:06
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iForge posted:Most mechanic shops refer transmission work to other shops, and at the very most they will pull the trans for you and send it out to be worked on, then reinstall it. It isn't very common that they'll do the work in house, and you might have to find a Saab dealer or specialist for this. LloydDobler posted:OP you have one of the weirdest engine/tranny combos in history, it's not normal and it's going to be expensive. Your input shaft seal is behind a chain drive down under that aluminum front cover with a motor mount on it. Thank you
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Apr 1, 2015 13:40
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Do you have any idea what kind of a cluster your tranny / engine pairing is? e: I really love AI because OP is clearly a major dickhole and you guys still provide legit responses.
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Apr 1, 2015 15:28
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Man, there is a lot of Saab'ing in this thread 
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Apr 1, 2015 15:41
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Pretty sure this is the same stupid fucker who posted about buying that rust bucket mercedes as a "joke". He's either trolling or terminally brain damaged.
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