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forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Regarde Aduck posted:

She is. But now we're in a situation where the best politician is one a lot of the UK can't vote for.

You could join up and be their first candidate in England for 2020.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 01:14

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 00:42

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

notaspy posted:

I am not reading 1300 posts, someone please summarise

Leanne Woods says "rhetoric" in a way that makes it sound like the word is hugging you. That's about it.

She's also from the Valleys. Think she mentioned that a few times.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 01:23

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Guavanaut posted:

I can't believe they printed anything forcing their staff into suicide.

Sicidue maybe, but lets not give them too much credit.

Wasn't it more points scoring about "oh The Times is so bad that two of their staffers committed suicide so please ignore their nasty mean stories about how we aren't covering the HSBC deal"?

# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 03:01

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Taear posted:

Because it's an argument that can't be resolved. There's no "right" answer so it just goes round and round.

Are you sure about that? I thought separatists destroying this fair and prosperous union were monsters motivated solely by hate?

# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 13:06

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Innerguard posted:

Tell me about it. I voted conservative last general election (I'm scottish) and I'll never be doing that again.

You can hardly pretend that the Tories haven't delivered as promised. More inequality, more punishing the poor, more tax breaks for the wealthy. You got what you voted for, seems churlish to hold that against them.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2015 03:40

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Taear posted:

This is silly though - I live in manchester and we don't support the tory policies either, but they won the national vote (in theory) so we haven't got a choice.

The better solution is independence for the south east of England.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2015 14:05

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Regarde Aduck posted:

The world which needs no borders isn't here yet Coohoolin. Borders mean more than just some weird Westminster hegemonic strawman. They mean security, law and order, prosperity. Things that actually matter to people when you get down to it. When you get past all the blue sky progressive socialist utopia which is always just around the corner. You can't run a country without borders. You know this because the Scottish borders are essentially where your planned utopia ends. The people past that point apparently part of some London hivemind. Is someone paying you to post this incredibly predicable and banal bullshit? You're almost as bad as LF was where they thought the average Brit went around masturbating to the thought of all the cultures we've subjugated. But the painful truth of the matter is the average Brit doesn't even know much British history. The man on the street neither knows nor cares about the horrors of the empire. A crime of its own that may be but don't try and make out there is some English conspiracy to back Westminster. It's just embarrassing.

Back to the borders thing: I'll make it really simple for you. Current borders = Stability. Changing the borders = massive instability including military assets. The reasons for this proposed instability? Publically it appears to be "Scottish people don't like the Tories". Pragmatically? Tories = Westminster. Elephant in the room? Westminster = English rule.

There was going to be no Norway style socialist nation. Oil prices tanked. Scottish independence was only ever going to ruin peoples lives. And if you were a true leftist that would matter to you above "self determination". A phrase I feel you say just because it sounds good.

If the referendum wasn't so easily deconstructed down to ethnic nationalism maybe people would give more of a gently caress. Maybe you're ideals would be worth something. Maybe in another life when you again have the privilege of picking and choosing a cause to latch onto you'll make better choices.

Silly Hyena, Markthenodo, these guys are dumb as gently caress and can be forgiven. They're idiots who cannot form original thoughts. But you, Coohoolin, are a villain. You're mean spirited, petty and vengeful. All while trying to appear and the second coming of Marx himself. Please just finish your education and go. Foist your Khmer Rouge on someone else.

Cripes. That's a bit bonkers.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 00:19

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Hoops posted:

I vote we ignore that post, make no more masturbatory little responses to it, and place an immediate month long ban on Scotpol in the UK thread.

In the month before the election? I dunno, I think Scotland has some relevancy to that whole thing. Probably not the best month for a moratorium on the tedium of Scotpol.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 01:15

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cargohills posted:

Unless she kicked out Caroline Lucas, I don't think Bennett would have much of a chance anywhere in the country.

Norwich South seems like the best chance for a second Green, and even that would involve massive swings. But they did get 15% of the vote there in 2010, which is the start of a platform to build from. Assuming the Lib Dems atrophy voters, & the Tory vote is split with UKIP, you could almost see a case where they become the 2nd largest party. Which is where the last Ashcroft Poll (from June 2014 admittedly) had them.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 12:17

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the worst stewie posted:

Do we really need another thread to talk about Coohoolin?

It'd be nice if everyone could get over their hang up on him. It wears on you.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 17:54

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Coohoolin posted:

There was a Canadian girl in my sociology class last year, the very first time she opened her mouth part of the sentence was "about" and the way it came out "a-boot" was very charming.

Nah they just sound like really nasally (even more so) Glaswegians.

This is a spectacularly silly comment. Invernesian is nothing like Glaswegian. Stop it. We just say "right enough" all the time, but that's not Weegie at all.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 19:05

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Vitamin P posted:

So would this not be a quite big deal? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/07/ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-status-labour

It's a huge thing from Labour. A great step in the right direction.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 23:35

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tdrules posted:

Mittal and Abramovich, the pillars holding our great nation together.

The FT's article on Non-Dom status is getting passed around this morning, and is well worth a read to understand its history.

Oh boy. Those comments! "This is political cowardice and indicates a strong leftist tendency of the FT."

# ¿ Apr 8, 2015 10:21

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OwlFancier posted:

There is a bit of a problem of there being the entirety of europe in the way who probably wouldn't be willing to sit and hope the missile wouldn't hit them. Anti-missile systems aren't great but when you have a whole continent of them... Not to mention the diplomatic repercussions.

But what about if, after UKIP take us out of the EU the rest of Europe turns on us and decides to nuke us? You need to think about the future threats!

# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 00:15

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Prince John posted:

That would require a united European foreign policy, which is even less likely than Iran nuking us. Seriously though, it's literally this guy's job to think about future threats, as cheesy as it sounds. Shame he seems like a bit of a chump.

I'm sorry, I was being facetious. I thought it would be obvious as I was using a patently absurd suggestion as a justification for replacing Trident with a new nuclear deterrent, but for clarity's sake, I think it's a horrible waste of money. It was a horrible waste of money in the 1950s and the 60s & the 70s & the 80s & 90s & 00s, and it still is a massive waste. What possible threats (that are realistic) can arise in the next 30-50 years that would require an independent British nuclear force? Do you foresee a time when we'll leave NATO?

How do the Australians cope under the constant threat that comes without a nuclear deterrent?

# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 01:33

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Gonzo McFee posted:

Yeah but they haven't had any threats from the Left wing in that time. Then the SNP turned up and scared the shite out of them.

Lets not pretend that the SNP are particularly left wing. Left of Labour, mostly, but still very centrist. It's nice that someone is taking Labour on the left and forcing them to stop taking their traditional base for granted, but lets not pretend we're talking about the resurrected Bolsheviks. Just getting a little daft at this point. Yes, I think they will be a positive force in the next parliament, but that's more a reflection of where the modern Labour Party lies rather than the SNP's inherent left-wing credentials. This is a party which still has a not insignificant number of MSPs who are proudly homophobic. And you can't tell me my local MSP Fergus Ewing wouldn't fit in well with New Labour if not for the obvious differences on the Union.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 17:53

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Noxville posted:

I think the Telegraph are kind of panicking right now, this is basically the most boring smear story I've ever seen.

It really is. "Man ends relationship later than we had previously assumed" doesn't seem likely to turn folk against Ed. The Barclay Brothers really are doing irreparable damage to the Telegraph name.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 21:50

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the worst stewie posted:

Unfortunately it will likely soon get worse because the DWP are planning to help people with mental health problems.

I lost my first job after two years when I was 18 because for the first time I used alcohol to try to cope with a bout of depression. I was unemployed for 9 months and the worst thing was discovering how common an attitude it is that people wouldn't be depressed if they just jolly well worked harder

"Mandatory treatment" is the sort of thing that probably sounds like a good idea to someone on the outside with little personal experience, "why wouldn't you want to get your poo poo sorted?" but just ends up showing a horrible misunderstanding of mental health issues. Politicians are bad with mental health and it's really sad because it's something that needs to be treated seriously but above all else with some loving compassion.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2015 21:21

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Jose posted:

I don't know how feasible it is but is exercise part of any kind of depression treatment?

It's certainly something I've always been recommended when seeing GPs about depression. Combined with other things.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2015 21:29

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

I can't face reading an 86 page manifesto this afternoon. It's grey enough outside.

But for mental people who have read it, how is the stuff on immigration? Have they plumbed the depths?

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 12:30

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Taear posted:

My LibDem MP (who is stepping down) directly negotiated the coalition agreement. That said I don't think anyone in the constituency cares. Hell most of them probably don't even know.

Hey my LibDem MP directly negotiated the coalition agreement too! :hf:

And he's not standing down. But going by the polls it looks like the only way he doesn't get kicked out of office is if every Labour & Tory voter votes for him. Which strikes me as unlikely.

Fluo posted:

Just saw Have I Got News For You is back. Not seen it yet but love Armando Iannucci and Diane Morgan.

Daniel Radcliffe's laugh made it unwatchable for me. It was very annoying.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 11:18

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Mr N posted:

Not sure I should really share this on an internet forum but... my friend had an interview with Galloway the other day, about a potential offer of an internship type role. I was always a bit unsure about him, is he really that awful?

Well, he's certainly widely renowned as a very dirty campaigner. He's used religious tensions to gain election for Respect in a deeply cynical manner, and during the indy referendum last year came out tried fear-mongering that an independent Scotland would become a fundamentalist Calvinist nation and carry out pogroms on the Catholic populace. Going back to the late '80s and a re-selection contest for the seat he won in Glasgow in '87. 13 of the 26 members of the Constituency Labour Party resigned. He's also had one of the lowest voting participation records in the Commons, and from all accounts of people who lived both in Glasgow Kelvin & in Bethnal Green during his times as MP he's not really renowned for being much of a constituency MP either.

He's also really bad on women's rights, especially on the charges Julian Assange faces in Sweden if he ever leaves "Ecuador". And we've not even touched on the lovely closeness with dodgy regimes purely because he's one of those lefties who think anyone who opposes the US is automatically an ally. Which is a loving stupid view when it leaves you palling it up with Hussein & Assad.

I can't say I'm a great fan of Galloway.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 00:04

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

shrike82 posted:

Already done some travel and actually headed to 7 sisters later in the month.
Would love to hear recommendations if you had any.

The North West Highlands. If you've not got a car then get to Glasgow, spend a night there and get the early morning train to Mallaig, see a tiny fishing village, then get a ferry over to Skye. And then never leave because it's bloody gorgeous. Plus there's the Clan Donald Centre which is, from my vague memories, really interesting for the history of the natives of Skye, home of the Lord of the Isles (well, former).

If you have access to a car then as well as going up to Mallaig, I'd say it's well worth getting the ferry to Skye, then driving up Skye and back on to the mainland and then up the coast to another tiny fishing village called Applecross. The road up there is really impressive, albeit single track and quite hairy.

Alternatively, just go to Islay and make a round of the 8 distilleries, because Islay whisky is the best whisky.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 20:47

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the worst stewie posted:

Grant Shapps just said we were as bust as Greece in 2010

Michael Green lying? I for one am amazed.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 00:47

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dispatch_async posted:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-what-snp-candidate-paisley-5118483

"I loving hate Celtic" - words uttered by every Scottish Premiership fan at some point in their life and not something worth hand wringing over.

This is pretty poor, even for the Record.

TinTower posted:

Left Unity are splitting over wanking:

No idea who Left Unity are but they sound like children. I loving hate the left and their inability to avoid splitting over the most minute differences.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 20:46

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Oberleutnant posted:

Didn't their owner donate a hunnerd large to UKIP?

He'd give similar sums to the SNP & Respect if he thought they'd get him to the House of Lords.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2015 20:30

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Prince John posted:

And the quangos. You might find this article an interesting read.

loving hell, "5th column left behind". Aye, alright.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 15:20

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tentish klown posted:

I hope it's because they've realised that no one gives, or has given, a poo poo about the NUS. Unfortunately I think I may be mistaken.

I'm finding myself agreeing with tentish klown which is a little disconcerting. But he's right. Who gives a gently caress about what a bunch of twatty students with no experience of the real world have to say about anything?

# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 13:16

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Time for Coohoolin to jump party again. Not many pro-indy groups left for him now. Has he had a dalliance with the Greens yet?

# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 16:35

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Guavanaut posted:

They will still take Shetland, Orkney, and areas of Cornwall. They will always take those.

Yeah, Orkney & Shetland has to be the safest Liberal seat going at this point.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2015 15:17

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Coohoolin posted:

That's what we thought about Charles Kennedy, and he's losing to the SNP.

Yes, but who is going to play the SNP role in the northern isles? Because it's not going to be the SNP. The last time a party other than the Liberals polled more than 21% was 1992. When the Conservatives got 22%. Since the war a party other than the Liberals got over 30% in 1945 (the last time a non-Liberal won), 1950 & 1970. Last time the Nats polled over 15% was 1983 and that took one of their big hitters standing there, Winnie Ewing. In the current climate it's the safest seat in Scotland.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2015 16:00

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TinTower posted:

FiveThirtyEight reckon Na H-Eileanan An Iar might go to the SNP with 80%+.

I'm not sure I can believe that. The last time Labour got less than 30% there was in the '70s. The Scottish Christian Party alone should be good for about 1,000 votes in the Western Isles, which should be at least 5%.

Pissflaps posted:

Isn't that already an SNP seat?

It is, and as I understand it Angus MacNeil is a fairly popular local MP as well, but still. The biggest majority in the country is Knowsley where Labour got 70.9% in 2010. 80% would be madness.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Apr 24, 2015

# ¿ Apr 24, 2015 16:16

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Chucat posted:

Is this a joke?

It depends how seriously you take The Sun I guess.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2015 14:36

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Coohoolin posted:

Is anyone else today getting mad snowfall? What the gently caress is this poo poo, it's April.

How long have you lived in Scotland now? And you've never encountered of lambing season snow? Lucky. I'd not say that April snow showers are an annual occurrence but probably every 2-3 years it happens.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2015 18:47

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Pissflaps posted:

Ed will make mincemeat out of Boris at Prime Ministers questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob2fZIa-ngg

This is wonderful. Miliband is just having so much fun. Saying Lynton Crosby isn't up to much in particular was funny but the whole thing was just a delight.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2015 00:09

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Seaside Loafer posted:

Oh great, that was clever wasnt it, cheers scots. Surely that now means the most likely gov is more con-lib right?

Not really. Con/Lib are unlikely to get enough votes to pass a vote of confidence.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2015 11:33

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Oberleutnant posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone?area=scotland

for anybody who wants to see Nicola Sturgeon.

The more important question is when can I get to hear Leanne Wood's dulcet tones?

# ¿ Apr 30, 2015 22:02

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Saw this pop up on Twitter: Unite are backing Luftur Rahman

quote:

Andrew Murray, the union�s chief of staff, told the rally in Stepney Green, east London: �I am not speaking in a personal capacity, I am speaking on behalf of the union � and I am sending a message of support from our general secretary, Len McCluskey. Unite is proud to associate ourselves with Lutfur Rahman.�

He called the judgment �an undemocratic assault on the people of Tower Hamlets� which was both �racist� and �Islamaphobic�.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2015 22:10

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TinTower posted:

Incidentally, we all heard Miliband say that "it's not racist to be concerned about immigration", right?

I wonder what happened to Labour over the past ten years to start stealing Tory election slogans.

They lost an election and didn't fail to notice that the public dialogue on immigration has turned toxic as gently caress, and being career politicians rather than conviction politicians it's easier for them to just go with the tide rather than actually stand up for something worth standing up for.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2015 23:34

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 00:42

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Pissflaps posted:

UKMT May 2015: Vote Labour

UKMT May 2015: Vote Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Pol Potist)

# ¿ May 1, 2015 10:02

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