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windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Scribblehatch posted:

Is there a gene ubiquitous to the human population that feels repulsed every time an artist or teacher is paid a decent wage?

Why does this poo poo happen so often?

I just want to say for the record that until I started teaching myself how to draw I thought artists were all were lazy assholes.

I now know better. Even on things I have mostly down I will sometimes spend an hour redrawing the same thing until it looks right to me.

So, the real problem is, most people don't get any form of art education at all anymore and then expect it to be easy because that one kid in middle school who probably spent all of his free time drawing could draw a mean Goku in like 30 seconds so how hard can it be.

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Megaspel
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP


You know, I'm sorta disappointed with reality. I feel like I was tricked, when I went to Uni, I met people like me for the first time. Friends who pushed, inspired, encouraged and competed with each other, people who just wanted to make cool poo poo. I'm back home in the most polluted town in England, and people don't think I deserve minimum wage for designing a logo.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003



Megaspel posted:

You know, I'm sorta disappointed with reality. I feel like I was tricked, when I went to Uni, I met people like me for the first time. Friends who pushed, inspired, encouraged and competed with each other, people who just wanted to make cool poo poo. I'm back home in the most polluted town in England, and people don't think I deserve minimum wage for designing a logo.

Yeah it's a real shame they don't teach you much about how to go about practically making money as an artist while they're taking all that money from you and encouraging you to discuss what inspires you.

Go to Waterstones and find yourself a copy of this book and stay indoors reading it front to back. http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-be-Illu...s/dp/1856695301

Megaspel
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP


i am harry posted:

Yeah it's a real shame they don't teach you much about how to go about practically making money as an artist while they're taking all that money from you and encouraging you to discuss what inspires you.

Go to Waterstones and find yourself a copy of this book and stay indoors reading it front to back. http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-be-Illu...s/dp/1856695301

I'm not bothered about making money, we were actually taught plenty at my uni. I'm just more disappointed at my home friends and family's opinion and outlook on art as a valuable thing.

A Major Fucker
Mar 10, 2013


Scribblehatch posted:

The general populace does think it's a good idea. But we're not living in an actual democracy right now.

Anyhoo.



War Sylph.

are you still making kiki?

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003



Megaspel posted:

I'm not bothered about making money, we were actually taught plenty at my uni. I'm just more disappointed at my home friends and family's opinion and outlook on art as a valuable thing.

Oh I'm sorry I thought you were complaining about being tricked because no-one's handing you a cool 1,000 for their business logo.

Colon Semicolon posted:

I have no idea what I'm doing send help.

Maybe do the fingers and tiny details last, instead of one whole limb at a time.

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Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



I am still making Chaos in the Tropics, the comic formerly known as Kiki, yes.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.




Megaspel posted:

I'm not bothered about making money, we were actually taught plenty at my uni. I'm just more disappointed at my home friends and family's opinion and outlook on art as a valuable thing.

It's funny, my dad was an oil painter and rock carver, my mom is a weaver and potter, and when we were growing up their friends would still tell them I draw too much and it wasn't worth anything. Getting a kid into being an accountant or some other unfun thing would be so much more rewarding! I have no idea why there are so many people out there that think art isn't a worthy career. It's ridiculous.

Maybe people are jealous that we actually have jobs we like?

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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I remember a story about a some rich guy who legit believed that statues of nude women were EXACTLY how women should look, and he refused to sleep with his wife over the fact she had pubic hair. she ended up leaving him for an artist, because that guy wasn't an idiot.
I'm sure there's other old stories, but it wouldn't be hard to fathom the idea of people being jealous of more than just the fact you enjoy your job and can outpace their scribbles.

the other robot thing wasn't quite working right, so I started on the thing related to it. maybe It'll make things easier I dunno.
(also slowly changing any design elements that would prove brutal to draw over and over as I add to the perspective version)

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Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



I have drawn conjoined island goddesses of sea and sky.



And a chipper young gardener lady from a world of simian-people.




Ooh I think you've got a real knack for mecha. I can imagine having a toy of this and being able to move the joints anywhere within reason. I like it!

Crap
Nov 3, 2012



Scribblehatch posted:

I have drawn conjoined island goddesses of sea and sky.



nice

Humboldt Squid
Jan 21, 2006



Edited a NWS tag into the title since people are posting robogina and quadboob now I guess.

E: you people made me type that sentence.

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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don't be a prude, now!

Scribblehatch posted:

Ooh I think you've got a real knack for mecha. I can imagine having a toy of this and being able to move the joints anywhere within reason. I like it!

Thank you! That's what I tend towards mostly. I wanna make toys some day, so alot of my stuff is very shamelessly toyetic.

Danger Diabolik
Feb 9, 2014

"Elegant"


Here is a thing I made tonight

Fyadophobic
Dec 25, 2014





I am trying to improve my handle on anatomy and proportions. Thoughts?

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

I have drawn conjoined island goddesses of sea and sky.



And a chipper young gardener lady from a world of simian-people.



Ooh I think you've got a real knack for mecha. I can imagine having a toy of this and being able to move the joints anywhere within reason. I like it!

all your female anatomy looks like barbie dolls. if you're going to draw such blatant fap material at least change up the body types once in a while. that is My Opinion.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Fyadophobic posted:



I am trying to improve my handle on anatomy and proportions. Thoughts?

The best way to do this that I can think of is to draw/sketch a character from the front view and from the side portrait view in a neutral position. You can verify the anatomy of those views trivially with davinci circles/golden ratio measurements. Since you are working digitally it's also really simple to make some custom rulers to determine the size of each body part relative to the others, etc.

Then draw your crazy pose until it looks like the same character when all three views are consulted at once. Effectively, build a reference in your brain for treating your character as a 3d object.

This takes a long time (for me, anyway, since I tend to describe my characters with lots of words then struggle to figure out how to apply them to the drawing), but is how I am able to draw anatomy consistently for the same character. The more you repeat this process, the easier it gets, and the more body types you tackle, the easier it becomes to do later with even less initial sketching.

Determining the anatomy of something that doesn't exist and has no reference is hard, because human beings have great deviation in shape, size, and proportion. By creating the reference you're answering your own questions, rather than asking for help. Many things can look right, so the most important thing is that it looks like your character. Even if you have a background in figure drawing, once people try to tackle something that only exists as an idea, it typically becomes difficult again.

Generally, each major component of the body of a character takes an hour or two for me, at minimum, with the big exception being the head/face, since it's as complicated as drawing the rest of the body, usually.

As far as feedback goes, the thing that bothers me most about your image is that the position looks incredibly uncomfortable. The geometry of the left shoulder relative to the back doesn't work for me. It seems impossible for her legs to be crossed and pulled inward and her elbow to be inwards to her knees with her chest on the ground, but the shading on the stomach makes it appear she's on her side, which clashes with the shading on the back.

It's better than I would do blind without reference, though.

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



Troposphere posted:

all your female anatomy looks like barbie dolls. if you're going to draw such blatant fap material at least change up the body types once in a while. that is My Opinion.
Don't be rude.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

Don't be rude.

I'm sorry, here let me rephrase:

pretty please stop drawing all women like they are the exact same fake plastic doll because it's objectifying, boring, and gross. tia.

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Art's a pretty self-serving thing. Most of it is not meant for anyone but the artist's own interests. Maybe you should go learn to draw and draw the things you want instead of trying to tell others what they're supposed to do?

I wasn't planning on posting this here but y'know what, I think someone like you would enjoy it. Here's a plastic doll.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

Art's a pretty self-serving thing. Most of it is not meant for anyone but the artist's own interests. Maybe you should go learn to draw and draw the things you want instead of trying to tell others what they're supposed to do?

I wasn't planning on posting this here but y'know what, I think someone like you would enjoy it. Here's a plastic doll.


I do draw, and it's usually not with one hand down my pants. I manage not to post blatant fetish material in the art forum, certainly a crazy concept

so why exactly do all your robots have giant titties and child bearing hips? what purpose does that serve a robot? we are all very aware that it's just because it gives you a raging hardon. do you seriously not understand why some people would be uncomfortable with seeing some dude's j/o material constantly

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Troposphere posted:

I do draw, and it's usually not with one hand down my pants. I manage not to post blatant fetish material in the art forum, certainly a crazy concept

so why exactly do all your robots have giant titties and child bearing hips? what purpose does that serve a robot? we are all very aware that it's just because it gives you a raging hardon. do you seriously not understand why some people would be uncomfortable with seeing some dude's j/o material constantly

Am I supposed to care? I pretty openly draw poo poo most people find weird. It's on my tumblr, I don't hide it. You're the one who came in here and is expecting others to cater to your interests. (Which won't actually change anything, that mentality just makes you come across as whiney and easily upset.)
Maybe you should go act like you care about something other than your own personal interests somewhere where the people bend over backwards for you?

character design for the Niner thing. he's kinda sorta the Villian, but he's a bumbling idiot.

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

not everyone is going to be cool with your robofetish dude. maybe grow a thicker skin if you choose to publicly post your soft core porn in communities not made for that

are the big titties where they store their ram

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



You're accusing him of having a thin skin...?

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

yes, you two are the ones getting upset at any sign of criticism, not me

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Wait hold on I'm upset I didn't get the memo

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



I just told you not to be rude. Which you shouldn't be. It will never make your life easier.

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE NAZIS?

Odd how jumpy ppl are about critique in this thread but not in the other. Troposphere is right about the body types, it's not just that though, the poses are stiff and unnatural, the figures are unaccomplished compared to colors and line work. Anime/ manga guys study anatomy and figure drawing like everyone else, it's actually harder for them because they need to stylize it in a specific way so it doesn't clash with the heads. Look at Shirow for example, or the guy who lead artisted on Valkyrie of the Battlefield. Very stylized yet convincing.

Crap
Nov 3, 2012



nobody is obligated to be nice to you about your four boob frankenstein you little bich

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Yeah but they never actually talked about the poses

Like if you're gonna have criticism and the only thing you'll talk about is the bodytypes then maybe you aren't looking for anything other than that. I mean yeah the poses aren't all that great but y'know they could've said something and offered some sort suggestions on how to fix it or redlined or y'know anything other than 'pls stop posting barbie dolls'. Yeah, we get it, varying body types is important but you could learn to be nice about that.

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cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea


Colon Semicolon posted:

you could learn to be nice about that.

I think that was a nice way of saying something...

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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cubicle gangster posted:

I think that was a nice way of saying something...

'all your female anatomy looks like barbie dolls. if you're going to draw such blatant fap material at least change up the body types once in a while. that is My Opinion.'
'pretty please stop drawing all women like they are the exact same fake plastic doll because it's objectifying, boring, and gross. tia.'

I'm not sure how these classify as nice or even really helpful.

'I noticed you tend towards the same body type alot. perhaps you should attempt to vary that a bit so you can get better used to drawing different body forms.' Maybe further explain what you mean specifically to each picture. Then if you'd be assed you could post examples of other body types to attempt.

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

the truth hurts sometimes

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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what truth would that be
What is this rollercoaster leading to exactly

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

what truth would that be
What is this rollercoaster leading to exactly

that no one wants to see your sexy jerkoff tittyrobots or perpetually nude island animes except other people who also jerk off to tittyrobots and perpetually nude island animes, and they are horribly creepy to anyone not in those categories

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Okay we get that but what does that have to do with you being unable to communicate that in a way that's not rude right from the get go
Like do you just lack the ability to act in a constructive manner in social situations or...?

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

Okay we get that but what does that have to do with you being unable to communicate that in a way that's not rude right from the get go
Like do you just lack the ability to act in a constructive manner in social situations or...?

have you never been to an actual, real life critique before? because, believe me, I am being very kind all things considered. welcome to the art world.

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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Welcome to the world of reddit and tumblr where you're being an insolent prick for personal reasons and not any actual social reasons.

Actual critiques aren't anything like that btw, you're just trying really hard to seem like you know more

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

I went to art school for four years. crying during critique was a very common occurrence and people who couldn't take it didn't last very long. was it always fair? not at all, but the art world isn't fair and it taught me some very important lessons and made me toughen up. it's a very humbling experience, and one I think all artists would benefit from.

no one owes you niceness for your art. art directors aren't going to let you down easy when you plop down nonsense in front of them. if you're just drawing for hobby then fine, whatever, draw whatever misogynistic trash you want. but don't act super shocked when the world doesn't act like a hugbox and give you a gold star for being another gross dude drawing giant titties.

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Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

....?


it's refreshing to see that people are still willing to throw tantrums over their fetish art even as deviantart slowly dies out

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