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Fyadophobic
Dec 25, 2014



The issue isn't "You must have a certain skill level to critique others' art", the issue is that some members of the discussion are unwilling to participate on the same level as other members. When somebody posts their art they are opening themselves up to critique. Ideally, critique should be a reciprocal exchange. The discussion is unbalanced otherwise, with the party willing to put their art forward becoming more vulnerable than the other(s).



These both look radical, by the way.

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loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



Sharpest Crayon posted:

I didn't mind the quadboob, though I did think "this would've been so easy to artistically censor with some conveniently placed hair flowing down the tits" when I saw it.

Did you pay for that drawing, why are you thinking of ways to censor it? This discussion has grown weird to me because nowadays usually artists are very open and brazen about sexy stuff they draw amongst themselves, but theres this weird disconnect between sides here like they have nothing at all in common. Meanwhile the poster who complained first draws like big eyed goth elves, which in my mind is very close to cartoon robots and videogame fan art. Weird.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

I didn't draw my av but I did make crap's.


if you guys need to see my stuff to take my crit seriously I post it in the daily drawing thread as I'm not much of a digital artist. no big eyed goth elves or whatever I'm being accused of now though.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Grimey Drawer

loga mira posted:

Did you pay for that drawing, why are you thinking of ways to censor it? This discussion has grown weird to me because nowadays usually artists are very open and brazen about sexy stuff they draw amongst themselves, but theres this weird disconnect between sides here like they have nothing at all in common. Meanwhile the poster who complained first draws like big eyed goth elves, which in my mind is very close to cartoon robots and videogame fan art. Weird.

The original complaint wasn't that Scrib draws sexy art.

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



Yeah it's that he draws the wrong kind of sexy art. What I'm saying is that it's weird how two artists who occupy the same corner of anime-inspired American cartoon art can't have a reasonable conversation, as if one of them is an orthodox christian icon painter and the other draws dickgirls for a living. Politics!

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

it is completely possible to make sexy art that doesn't objectify women. some of my best buds draw sexy art that doesn't. it is easy not to be a big creep if you're self aware and put an effort into it, and you actually care how you portray women. my original complaint was that all of scribs women look like Barbie dolls, which I stand by.

I don't draw American cartoons so I don't know what you're talking about on that front

Sharpest Crayon
Jul 16, 2009

Always Wag. Always Friend. Very Safety.


Grimey Drawer

loga mira posted:

Did you pay for that drawing, why are you thinking of ways to censor it?

I'm honestly not sure why I thought that, but that's what popped into my mind as the first thing. Maybe because that's what I'd have done in this case? Overall, the picture has lovely colors and a breezy, carefree feel to it, and I did not feel that the nipples add anything to that, but artistically covering them would make the picture more "accessible" to groups other than the people who want to see nips on their goddesses. Maybe it would also give her a more regal feel, having just that bit of exposition toned down?

Maybe I'm secretly a prude. But that's what I thought, unfiltered.

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea


People who make art with the express intent of it being 'sexy' are creepy and i dont/wont respect it. Nudity is fine, admiring form is too, but tits for tits sake is kind of sad.

E: I should add, there's a very big difference between a character that has sex appeal and what I'm talking about.

cubicle gangster fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2015 around 17:16

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



Ok so Klimt, Rembrandt, Fuseli are creeps. Look at their erotic sketches no respect for them

Troposphere posted:

it is completely possible to make sexy art that doesn't objectify women. some of my best buds draw sexy art that doesn't.

Can you link some of it? I'm curious, ok if you dont want to. I think if it's like fat women or hairy stuff, that's till objectification, no?. I have actually thought about this in the past, how do you avoid exaggeration or dwelling on certain areas if you want to produce a sexually exciting image?

loga mira fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2015 around 17:18

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea


If you think that's the same thing I have no idea what to say

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



Say something man, about Rembrandt's pissing women or Fuseli's face sitting stuff. And who gets to decide when you're good enough to be allowed to draw porn, and who decides what porn is?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Grimey Drawer

But, like, what is "art"?

Fyadophobic
Dec 25, 2014



cubicle gangster posted:

People who make art with the express intent of it being 'sexy' are creepy and i dont/wont respect it. Nudity is fine, admiring form is too, but tits for tits sake is kind of sad.

E: I should add, there's a very big difference between a character that has sex appeal and what I'm talking about.

What is the difference between drawing a character that has sex appeal and "making art with the express intent of it being sexy"? Is the sex appeal only appropriate if it's done by accident somehow? Granted, there absolutely is art out there that is objectifying, lewd, inappropriate, of poor quality/taste, and objectionable for a wide variety of reasons. But I'm having a hard time understanding where exactly you want to draw the line.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

as long as the women in the art don't look like realdolls I'm usually fine with it

my mentor senior year was Nathan Fox and he draws some pretty lewd pinup ladies but they all have obvious personalities and he wasn't afraid to ugly them up for the sake of the illustration. he also always drew from reference so even if the ladies had big titties it was still believable because they were based off real women he knew. of course, there were women in my department that absolutely hated his stuff so your results may vary.

it's kind of the difference between a hardcore porno and a sex scene in a movie, I think. you can get turned on by both, but it's obvious that one was made just for jerking off to and has little artistic merit.

Troposphere fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2015 around 17:55

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



I did not make either picture with the intent of anyone jerking off.

Not that you'll believe it.

Crap
Nov 3, 2012



if the subject has any sense of control over how they are portray themselves, or are portrayed it's probably not objectifying them

like why is the fat titty robot sitting with her robot crotch visible, because it's for the viewer and not for her

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

I did not make either picture with the intent of anyone jerking off.

Not that you'll believe it.

I'm mainly speaking about tittyrobot man when I say that, since his stuff was obvious j/o material, he even linked to a hentai artist that does similar stuff

my main qualm with you is, like I said, all your women have the same exact body type and it's not a realistic one. their waists are tiny and probably couldn't hold any of their vital organs, their torsos are super elongated (influence from the one piece guy probably?) and their boobs are huge and perpetually perky even when they aren't wearing bras. the angles you use usually shove boobs or rear end in the viewer's face. these are all things you can fix, and your art would be better for it.

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



How the hell can a fictional character have control over anything pls dont trollin

Troposphere posted:

my mentor senior year was Nathan Fox

You mean this guy?



I dunno I guess you have to be a woman to see the distinction. The reference stuff doesn't seen convincing, even if you're drawing from reference you're still picking what to draw and how, what to emphasize, what to drop.

Crap
Nov 3, 2012



because fictional people have their own motivations and interests and personalities, the artist has to respect those or its weird

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Grimey Drawer

Yes, Virginia, there is a difference between juvenile spank art and quality spank art.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

loga mira posted:

How the hell can a fictional character have control over anything pls dont trollin


You mean this guy?



I dunno I guess you have to be a woman to see the distinction. The reference stuff doesn't seen convincing, even if you're drawing from reference you're still picking what to draw and how, what to emphasize, what to drop.

yup that's him

there are other things for the viewer to rest their eyes on besides rear end and titties, she's leading the action, and she's actually relatively covered up besides the slit in her skirt. it's still an obvious pinup but it's visually interesting and has character.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008


Troposphere posted:

my main qualm with you is, like I said, all your women have the same exact body type and it's not a realistic one. their waists are tiny and probably couldn't hold any of their vital organs, their torsos are super elongated (influence from the one piece guy probably?) and their boobs are huge and perpetually perky even when they aren't wearing bras. the angles you use usually shove boobs or rear end in the viewer's face. these are all things you can fix, and your art would be better for it.

It would be fair to say that he could put as much height/girth/ratio variation into his human characters as he does in his creature design, but I think you're basing this on a very very very small slice of his art because a lot of this is untrue.

I do wish you'd put as much effort into directly assisting the person who actually asked for help drawing a naked woman earlier though, if only to put the brakes on this and have people post digital art in the digital art thread without fear of bollockings and name-calling. Which is kind of what the initial issue was here.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Grimey Drawer

I'm genuinely flummoxed if anyone has ever thought of CC as "too mean".

Scrib also notoriously rebuffs criticism, this is not even the first website where he's known for it.

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013



I'm notorious for rebuffing the rumor that I rebuff criticism as well.

Seriously, let it die. Let it DIE already. You have seen exactly what I take issue with. I went to great length to explain it. Go back to page 4 and read it.

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Crap
Nov 3, 2012



i've been in nice, friendly crits and they don't help for poo poo

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

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I'm done here but FYI the blatantly sexual robot drawing was meant for a ladyfriend who specifically asked me to design that character for them. It's what they wanted and I was happy to oblige. Also the character with the 'big child like eyes' doesn't have any sexuality to it and I explicitly was trying to go against that. The korean artist did what he wanted and I'm okay with that, but I have no intention of doing that sort of thing to the character myself. Why do you think I changed the image to lower the skirt so there wasn't a weird 'panty shot' on a thing that's born from a dying star? I like expressive eyes on robots, it helps characterize them and helps convey emotion in a way people can understand. They're characters, not machines.

It's dumb to assume that everything has to do with blatant objectifying.

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loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



Troposphere posted:

there are other things for the viewer to rest their eyes on besides rear end and titties, she's leading the action, and she's actually relatively covered up besides the slit in her skirt. it's still an obvious pinup but it's visually interesting and has character.

Porn vs erotic art thing essentially. It is imo superficial, not to mention comical. Like you look at her tits and butt first bc thats how it's set up and it's what your mind tells you to do, and then you look at other stuff and are granted like a liberal indulgence for the sin of looking at tits.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

loga mira posted:

Porn vs erotic art thing essentially. It is imo superficial, not to mention comical. Like you look at her tits and butt first bc thats how it's set up and it's what your mind tells you to do, and then you look at other stuff and are granted like a liberal indulgence for the sin of looking at tits.

so would you put, say, amateur furry inflation fetish art on the same level as a technically well executed gustav klimt nude? if not, why, if it's all the same?

Colon Semicolon posted:

I'm done here but FYI the blatantly sexual robot drawing was meant for a ladyfriend who specifically asked me to design that character for them. It's what they wanted and I was happy to oblige. Also the character with the 'big child like eyes' doesn't have any sexuality to it and I explicitly was trying to go against that. The korean artist did what he wanted and I'm okay with that, but I have no intention of doing that sort of thing to the character myself. Why do you think I changed the image to lower the skirt so there wasn't a weird 'panty shot' on a thing that's born from a dying star? I like expressive eyes on robots, it helps characterize them and helps convey emotion in a way people can understand. They're characters, not machines.

It's dumb to assume that everything has to do with blatant objectifying.

ahh the ol' it's not for me, it's for a friend!!! excuse. except that your entire blog is just super sexualized big titted robot ladies...

Crap
Nov 3, 2012



the difference though, is she is in command of her actions and appearance in that drawing

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

Craptastic
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It is for to waste
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Troposphere posted:

ahh the ol' it's not for me, it's for a friend!!! excuse. except that your entire blog is just super sexualized big titted robot ladies...

I never said that wasn't true, but you can take that as a victory if it makes you feel better at night.
For real though done with this poo poo.

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



When you say youre leaving man leave are you trying to hit all the dumbass prima donna tropes here

Troposphere posted:

so would you put, say, amateur furry inflation fetish art on the same level as a technically well executed gustav klimt nude? if not, why, if it's all the same?

I'm not sure where you're coming from here. I mentioned Klimt as he's one of the exceedingly respected artists who drew very explicit stuff that focuses not just on the mammaries and the rear end but allso the muff. What I meant is that certain triggers that get people mad today are not unique to furry art and such. And when you point out those triggers in furry art but ignore them in big name art, well, you aren't being honest. Technique doesn't have magical transformative qualities when the details we are offended by are as specific as bigger boobs or dicks than what the models got.

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014


man i love all the art and not stupid lovely arguing happening in this thread

Fyadophobic
Dec 25, 2014



Alright, I'll volunteer some more figure drawing. It's not that great but it's the best I can do at this time. Everybody try and post some drawings so it can be a drawing thread again.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012




i want to f;uck the robot

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



In the spirit of, a hasty Procreate doodle. The ear is low... Thinking Moebius here

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012



Colon Semicolon posted:

Also the character with the 'big child like eyes' doesn't have any sexuality to it and I explicitly was trying to go against that.

you just accidentally drew her with a pubic mound and panties because how can you not right, i mean look at that sexy as bich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grandmother of Five
May 9, 2008

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.



Colon Semicolon posted:

Also the character with the 'big child like eyes' doesn't have any sexuality to it and I explicitly was trying to go against that. The korean artist did what he wanted and I'm okay with that, but I have no intention of doing that sort of thing to the character myself. Why do you think I changed the image to lower the skirt so there wasn't a weird 'panty shot' on a thing that's born from a dying star? I like expressive eyes on robots, it helps characterize them and helps convey emotion in a way people can understand. They're characters, not machines.

It's dumb to assume that everything has to do with blatant objectifying.


You're no better than the Korean guy that you're distancing yourself from.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow


Except, y'know, they went and adjusted the original sketch and the final drawing didn't have a hint of a panty shot in it. Although I won't deny making the skirt a little longer at the front despite that might have worked a little better. But I'm sure you knew that.

Lokee
Oct 2, 2013

The brown sea is dark and full of terrors, but the paywall burns them all away.

Going for a 40s-50s retro kind of feel; going to add a set of Looney Toons-esq rings around it when I get home. Thoughts? Love it? Burn it?



e- The cat is not original material, not sure where it's from though. Original.

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loga mira
Feb 16, 2011



I love it and I love the texture. Post the finished cat when you're done with it. I would pull the reds a little higher though, on thumbnail it looks kinda dim.

I felt bad about posting something so sketchy so I fired up my desktop and fixed it up a bit.

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