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Like what if scarcity is unique to earth? You ever think of that?
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ulvir posted:"we" might actually get to that point in a not too distant future (like within the next 10 000 years, granted we survive that long) and we're relly bad at global pacifism I would rather the earth burn in nuclear hell fire than be related to a bunch of little bitches in 10 thousand years. ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:12
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i think there is probably c ool animals and plants all over but i agree with the idea that intelligence and technology, as we think of them, are probably very rare. Probably exists at least a couple of times in this galaxy, but maybe not coinciding in time, and probably exceedingly far apart. Also consider the following  As piso mojado pointed out, we have only been technologically capable of even attempting to search for / listen for / talk to aliems for a few decades. What if there's some insane communication technology that we have yet to discover? What if radio waves are only going to be the technology of choice for a few hundred years before we move onto QUantum Entanglement Wormhole Tachyon Space-Folding or whatever the gently caress. Stuff we have no idea how to even lsiten for. And what if other civilizations with intelligence similar to ours went through a similar progression? Then not only are we asking "does the existence of intelligent civilizations coincide in time?" but even more specifically, "does the 200 year period in which intelligent civilizations use radio before moving onto QEWTSF overlap?" and that gets even more unlikely e: like, you could argue that maybe after we discover that technology we'd still keep sending radio waves out in case a "more primitive" civilization is out there, but what if the next technology is faster than light? Could you imagine people saying "hey let's shut down the old-as-gently caress radio SETI because it would take 10,000 years to get a response from the nearest likely exoplanet, we might as well use something with instant results because we'll never live to hear the response from the radio version" alnilam fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 8, 2015
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Apr 8, 2015 14:15
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if we dont abandon at least major violence (war) within the next 150 years we're all gonna be dead anyways
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Apr 8, 2015 14:15
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ulvir posted:"we" might actually get to that point in a not too distant future (like within the next 10 000 years, granted we survive that long) and we're relly bad at global pacifism my outlook for mankind is either - 1. we blow ourselves up with a few of the thousands of nukes laying around, like we almost did in the cold war. 2. we reach singularity first and begin a new age of Aquarius |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:16
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suicide bi cop posted:if we dont abandon at least major violence (war) within the next 150 years we're all gonna be dead anyways I'd like to see your evidence. ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:16
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drilldo squirt posted:Like what if scarcity is unique to earth? You ever think of that? this seems unlikely to me. |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:16
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Piso Mojado posted:my outlook for mankind is either - Can you imagine what kind of hellish nightmare it would be to have immortality and nothing to do except gently caress around. ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:17
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Piso Mojado posted:my outlook for mankind is either - I wish for the latter and dread the former. |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:18
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joke_explainer posted:Yeah. The fun part about berserker probes is it doesn't actually require any malevolence or xenophobia: It could just be an exploration probe that breaks, gets a subtle alteration on the ten millionth reproduction that just starts destroying biospheres instead of terraforming them or whatever. just sitting around, waiting to wake up and wreck poo poo. Very lovecraftian. But it might be a pretty good strategy if you are the first on the scene and don't want to wait around for someone else to do it. this reminds me of the philip k dick story autofac
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Apr 8, 2015 14:19
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drilldo squirt posted:I'd like to see your evidence. technology + war...we've already gotten to the point where a superpower (america) can decimate hundreds of millions of people around the world in a matter of hours with nuclear weapons that will probably be considered rudimentary within the next 50 years, think of waht kind of hosed up insanely dangerous stuff nuclear, biologically, etc. we'll have in 150.... it's possible technology and military weapons will grind to a halt but that's kind of a pipe dream ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:22
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Fermi says that the entire galaxy can be colonized in a few million years with simple self-replicating machines so why hasn't he built them already? Is he some kind of retard? ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:23
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I'm an eternal pessimist but I will say that the internet has done a good job in bringing people closer together at a basal level which makes it harder for tribalism to be relevant. Remember, we are first gen internet goers. I think given enough time, we will homogenize and world peace may really happen. The worry is that while nationalism is still pervading our society, someone will do something stupid and ruin everything. |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:24
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suicide bi cop posted:technology + war...we've already gotten to the point where a superpower (america) can decimate hundreds of millions of people around the world in a matter of hours with nuclear weapons that will probably be considered rudimentary within the next 50 years, think of waht kind of hosed up insanely dangerous stuff nuclear, biologically, etc. we'll have in 150.... ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:24
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What if our planet just sucks, like it's the deep south of space?
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Apr 8, 2015 14:25
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drilldo squirt posted:America has enough nuclear firepower to turn the world into a burning cinder already actually. that's not really true, we could cause nuclear winter, and kill off most humans, but some humans would still survive, and life on earth would survive as well, earth is pretty resilient ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:25
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The Fermi paradox vastly oversimplifies the problems of colonizing space.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:25
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Like our planet isn't even good enough for retarded probe robots even.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:25
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suicide bi cop posted:that's not really true, we could cause nuclear winter, and kill off most humans, but some humans would still survive, and life on earth would survive as well, earth is pretty resilient I don't know dude, radiation would gently caress up everything left in my humble opinion. ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:27
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circ dick soleil posted:The Fermi paradox vastly oversimplifies the problems of colonizing space. The fermi paradox vastly over simplifies a lot of things. ---------------- |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:27
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An interesting question about the self-replicating colonization is, a lot of people would find it hard to justify. You're never, ever going to see the results of it. Nobody on earth nor their great great grandschildren will never see the results. If we can barely agree on how much money we want to spend on exploring our solar system, how are we going to agree on sending "probes to nowhere"? And then if you're somehow using the robots "seeding" habitable planets with human beings from embryos a la Songs of Distant Earth, there's also the question of consent, like these humans are being born into a hosed up pioneer world without ever having been given the chance to say no or even having any idea why, it's not like they got to volunteer to be put into cryosleep and be a brave explorer. you could make the same argument for any birth of any baby being born of any circumstances though so 
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I think the whole idea is stupid.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:29
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lmao if you think that the technology that will be used to colonize space is gonna look like some star trek poo poo then you're a massive idiot. its gonna be some freaky organic looking stuff that you can't even begin to understand. human engineering still gets its rear end kicked by nature every fucken day how the gently caress do you expect us to pull something like that off
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Apr 8, 2015 14:30
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i really like good scifi that speculates on this kind of poo poo, even if i disagree with the author's ideas it's such a fascinating topic and as long as the author can write good, it's always a really cool read
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Apr 8, 2015 14:31
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Listen if space ships in the future aren't decorated like a office full of wasps in the 80's I will do everything in my power to destroy them.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:31
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drilldo squirt posted:I think the whole idea is stupid. I don't think its stupid to wonder why it appears to us right now that we are alone in the universe |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:32
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drilldo squirt posted:I don't know dude, radiation would gently caress up everything left in my humble opinion. "We couldn't even make that much of a dent with the entire world's nuclear arsenal. Figures say that there are about 20,000 warheads between all the nuclear powers. A larger warhead would wipe out all life in a fairly small radius, on the order of a few miles. Generously, that arsenal could wipe out several hundred thousand square miles of the surface of the earth -- and that's barely a dent in the 60 million square miles of land mass. The ensuing global winter would make life very unpleasant for big plants and animals, and there might be another mass extinction, but there's so much life that wouldn't even notice. Deep sea and underground communities would be completely untouched." ---------------- |
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I was talking about making self replicating terraforming exploration robots that you will never see or hear from again.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:34
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drilldo squirt posted:I was talking about making self replicating terraforming exploration robots that you will never see or hear from again. It's as credible as any other theory on this stuff |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:35
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how does he even propose that a robot would self replicate in a vacuum
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It depends on how strong your drive to explore as a species is, how much of a collective notion you have of "we as a human race, unbounded by time or nation, want to explore the galaxy." Something not likely in this day and age but maybe someday. Can you imagine how cool it would be if 10,000 years ago, humans had sent poo poo like that out to the galaxy, and we were getting results back now? e: ALso what if the earth were about to end and we knew it, and we just had such a strong desire to preserve the human race in some way even though all of us here on earth were sure to die. Arthuer C Clarke explores that idea in songs of distant earth and i think it's really fascinating alnilam fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Apr 8, 2015
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circ dick soleil posted:how does he even propose that a robot would self replicate in a vacuum I don't think he does. Didn't he make this as an offhand comment and everyone else is the reason the comment is a thing? |
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alnilam posted:It depends on how strong your drive to explore as a species is, how much of a collective notion you have of "we as a human race, unbounded by time or nation, want to explore the galaxy." Something not likely in this day and age but maybe someday. 10000 years isn't anywhere near long enough to do anything. ---------------- |
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Maybe this thread is akin to a caveman trying to describe what a car would be like to another caveman. Neither has any comprehension of the massive steps needed to be taken to get there so there is no way either of them will even be able to grasp the finer points of the idea, beyond describing something moving fast.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:43
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alnilam posted:i really like good scifi that speculates on this kind of poo poo, even if i disagree with the author's ideas it's such a fascinating topic and as long as the author can write good, it's always a really cool read |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:45
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Luvcow posted:Maybe this thread is akin to a caveman trying to describe what a car would be like to another caveman. Neither has any comprehension of the massive steps needed to be taken to get there so there is no way either of them will even be able to grasp the finer points of the idea, beyond describing something moving fast. probably more akin to describing cars to a mold culture on a loaf of bread |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:54
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Mold cluster to other Mold cluster: Ok, so here me out: what if theres other mold out there colonizing all the other bread through some sort of self breading mechanism Other Mold cluster: *grows slowly* |
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Apr 8, 2015 15:00
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considering this and other dumb sci-fi reality stuff like the Singularity is a pointless hobby for western petit-bourgoeis nerds to distract themselves from the overwhelming meaninglessness of existence in a capitalist society |
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Pro Target posted:considering this and other dumb sci-fi reality stuff like the Singularity is a pointless hobby for western petit-bourgoeis nerds to distract themselves from the overwhelming meaninglessness of existence in a capitalist society existence is meaningless no matter what kind of society you live in |
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only for a pedantic definition of meaningless |
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