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Any venture where he is involved and has any control will still be edgy as gently caress. What will it take for paradox to learn this? How many people have quit because of him yet he still has a job? How does he avoid the fallout for his actions so consistently? Is Is he a maurader? E: PARADOX! it all makes sense now!!!
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Promethean 2E is a great game and incredibly deft in how it treats the Created as a broad metaphor for different kinds of social outsiders and the experience of alienation/oppression without falling into "Frankenstein's monsters are a direct stand-in for gay people" or similar. Sold! I was blown away by C:tL when it came out, and this sounds like it's aimed dead at me.
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Wait, he got that M. Bison dude running Chechnya mad at him?
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Nov 17, 2018 00:47
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Daeren posted:Dude who posted the update said he was the interim manager of White Wolf so that pretty strongly implies Ericsson's still at minimum been kicked downstairs. Ericsson was the 'Lead Storyteller' not the manager. If you go check his history on linkedin you'll probably have the same 'how the gently caress did this guy get hired other than nepotism', which is what it is as he was friends with the paradox people, so maybe they'll still keep him on in some capacity.
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Maybe he managed to convince Paradox he can turn it all around with that updated Roma book he was talking about.
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Maybe Paradox is going to sell him on the Galactic Market but they need to finish ironing out the UI
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So I'm in communication with the VP taking over White Wolf for the transition. Does anyone know/remember what pages had the really lovely anti-LGBT stuff in Changing Ways? (Werewolf) He's gonna get his hands on the book and read through it.
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Krysmphoenix posted:So I'm in communication with the VP taking over White Wolf for the transition. Does anyone know/remember what pages had the really lovely anti-LGBT stuff in Changing Ways? (Werewolf) He's gonna get his hands on the book and read through it. Page 19, Werewolves and Gender. Page 57 has the stuff on abortion.
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Krysmphoenix posted:So I'm in communication with the VP taking over White Wolf for the transition. Does anyone know/remember what pages had the really lovely anti-LGBT stuff in Changing Ways? (Werewolf) He's gonna get his hands on the book and read through it. The infamous Gender sidebar is on page 19.
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Also today is Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines' 14th birthday!
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Krysmphoenix posted:So I'm in communication with the VP taking over White Wolf for the transition. Does anyone know/remember what pages had the really lovely anti-LGBT stuff in Changing Ways? (Werewolf) He's gonna get his hands on the book and read through it. A friend who's met him says he's pretty solid based on their personal interactions, albeit that's all computer-game related given he'd just met him as part of a partnership with paradox on gaming stuff.
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Rand Brittain posted:Page 19, Werewolves and Gender. Page 57 has the stuff on abortion. welp that was fast! Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it the help.
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Krysmphoenix posted:welp that was fast! Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it the help. We'll all be glad to compile a list of controversial things that Neo White Wolf has done if necessary  please let ericsson be fired for the love of god
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Daeren posted:We'll all be glad to compile a list of controversial things that Neo White Wolf has done if necessary  EDIT: okay but seriously please do, but you can send it yourself you don't need me!
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Krysmphoenix posted:So I'm in communication with the VP taking over White Wolf for the transition. Does anyone know/remember what pages had the really lovely anti-LGBT stuff in Changing Ways? (Werewolf) He's gonna get his hands on the book and read through it. Man, I'm glad this dude is getting up to speed and all, but its kind of more padding on the clusterfuck that he didn't know about that already. I know people here and on other sites were emailing Paradox about that poo poo when it went down, because they figured Tobias wouldn't do poo poo about it. Sounds like those messages just got tossed in the trash folder.
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Krysmphoenix posted:welp that was fast! Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it the help. He could also try getting in touch with Holden Shearer, who wrote the original draft of the chapters that had that stuff added in. EDIT: Although, uh, following that link would probably give you some idea of how enthusiastic Holden is about the idea.
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Rand Brittain posted:He could also try getting in touch with Holden Shearer, who wrote the original draft of the chapters that had that stuff added in. Also, do we really want to get Holden involved given his continued defense of his own harasser friend?
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I presume you'd want somebody who can tell you what the text was like before Paradox White Wolf made changes other than by hearsay. Presumably there's more than one person who can do this but I'm not sure how many of them would be willing to tell you.
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I've got some cooked chicken breast in the fridge and I'm extremely tempted to dice it up and throw it into some pasta with a nice cheese sauce over it. That aside, I have a question. A freshly Changed werewolf, all alone in the world with nobody to lay out the whole 'here's our ancient mythology and all that jazz', is a Ghost Wolf who doesn't belong to any tribe. He doesn't know Luna from Adam or what his Bloodline Obligation To Patrol The Borders of Spirit And Man is. Why does he still have Auspice or Moon Gifts? The Pure don't, because they reject Luna. Does Luna work on the opt-out system where you have to say 'No gently caress off' before she withdraws gifts as long as you're a fuzzbucket? If you tell a Ghost Woof about his obligation and he goes 'naw, I'm gonna go build a cottage in Canada instead and sell chainsaw sculptures of bears to tourists', does he lose his gifts, or does it take a VERY SPECIFIC act of rejection for your Auspice to fall off? Crasical fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 17, 2018 |
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The Wolf Must Hunt isn't a suggestion or optional thing. Even a ghost wolf will feel the urge to hunt, even if it's not in a proper Siskur'Dah. And luna? Luna probably don't give a poo poo, Luna's goddamned crazy.
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Crasical posted:I've got some cooked chicken breast in the fridge and I'm extremely tempted to dice it up and throw it into some pasta with a nice cheese sauce over it. Sounds delicious.
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Crasical posted:I've got some cooked chicken breast in the fridge and I'm extremely tempted to dice it up and throw it into some pasta with a nice cheese sauce over it. Yes. The Pure don't have Moon/Auspice stuff because they ritually tear out their own Auspices in an extremely painful ritual. Luna forgives - the Pure do not. They actively reject Luna.
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Rand Brittain posted:I presume you'd want somebody who can tell you what the text was like before Paradox White Wolf made changes other than by hearsay. Presumably there's more than one person who can do this but I'm not sure how many of them would be willing to tell you. The developer posts here occasionally and he was the one to confirm in a previous TG Industry thread that it was White Wolf that added poo poo like the gender sidebar. If he wants to discuss it then that’s up to him.
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I'm really shocked and happy to find that actual consequences happened and even if it's not the most satisfying option of 'if these shitheads try to get in the building after today we're gonna throw rotten apples at them' I'm very happy to see Paradox actually step up and say 'woah you guys done hosed up' and make changes.
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Mors Rattus posted:Yes. The Pure don't have Moon/Auspice stuff because they ritually tear out their own Auspices in an extremely painful ritual. Luna forgives - the Pure do not. They actively reject Luna. Not for nothing, but man did 2E Forsaken answer about all my questions I had from 1E.
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Bosushi! posted:The developer posts here occasionally and he was the one to confirm in a previous TG Industry thread that it was White Wolf that added poo poo like the gender sidebar. If he wants to discuss it then that's up to him. i think holden posted it publicly on his twitter?
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sexpig by night posted:I'm really shocked and happy to find that actual consequences happened and even if it's not the most satisfying option of 'if these shitheads try to get in the building after today we're gonna throw rotten apples at them' I'm very happy to see Paradox actually step up and say 'woah you guys done hosed up' and make changes.
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Magnusth posted:i think holden posted it publicly on his twitter? Info that he got via the TG Industry thread.
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Bosushi! posted:Info that he got via the TG Industry thread. hey holden if you're reading the forums: gently caress off you smug pompous sexual harsser-defending piece of poo poo seriously I can't believe anyone is listening to this fuckbag on anything much less saying "we should bring him in!" Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Nov 17, 2018 |
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Blockhouse posted:hey holden if you're reading the forums: gently caress off you smug pompous sexual harsser-defending piece of poo poo
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I guess I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming changes? oWoD didn't have a ton of hooks in me, I read and loved and very rarely played it when I was younger but it seems like there's almost nothing that it does that nWoD doesn't do better. I heard a couple of mechanisms that V5 did that sound pretty drat cool, but it seemed too tied to nostalgia that i straight up don't feel to appeal to me... and then when all the literal Nazi poo poo around it came to light it became an immediate "I will never buy this" to me. I still don't really see what it does that the 2E nWoD games don't do better, but if they purged the edgelord nazi fucks from their production line I'll I guess at least give it a chance. Swededracula sounds to me like a straight up conman running an affinity fraud. I very much doubt they'll retcon his stuff, or introduce V6 or whatever, but a lot of WoD lines, both n and o, have pivoted hard from the implications in their corebooks, so I think the line is still probably salvageable. If some of their later products (probably the ones Onyx Path have a hand in, but I'd have an open mind for other folk's work as well) manage to turn the line into something interesting, I'd probably buy some books. If not, as long as OPP keeps churning out nWoD books I'll keep buying them - and I hope Paradox finds a good use of the license as a video game property. I'm in love with Paradox's current computer game content, so I hope they can use the license well both for the sake of the WoD property and for the sake of the company. I guess overall I'm hopeful they can turn this around. Even if there's no pressing need for a new oWoD to exist, if they can right the ship I'll be happy to buy their products. Purging the literal Nazis is an important first step, and I hope they take this poo poo seriously. Signs right now point to them doing so, but we'll see. I'm a fan of both Paradox and the various WoDs (WsoD?) and so it'd be lovely if they could turn out interesting / non-offensive products and make money doing so. We'll see. Like I said a couple of pages ago it really seems to me like the current P&P RPG market is different and smaller than it was in the 1990s - I'd love to see someone turning a comfortable profit in it even given those structural changes. Except, of course, if they make the profit by catering to literal Nazis. Like, this shouldn't really need saying, but if you're a brand in tyool 2018 maybe don't cater to Nazis?
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Digital Osmosis posted:Like, this shouldn't really need saying, but if you're a brand in tyool 2018 maybe don't cater to Nazis? Dunno; The way the world is going, perhaps that's the majority demographic.
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Keep the bit about the Brujah attracting neo-Nazis. Just also specify that they lose those fangs to a curbstomp almost instantly. Yeah you may share ideas about the politics of kindred and kine, but you expect to show up to a clan of punk rockers like everything's cool?
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Can someone explain what happened with Chechnya? I missed this bit
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Kurtofan posted:Can someone explain what happened with Chechnya? I missed this bit Vampires did the holocaust.
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Kurtofan posted:Can someone explain what happened with Chechnya? I missed this bit It turns out writing in your product that a real-life semiautonomous state is run by vampires, its real-life head of state is an evil dracula, and its ongoing pogrom against the LGBT+ community is a media trick to distract the West from the real, vampire-centric problem? Not the smartest move. Go figure.
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Shockeh posted:Dunno; The way the world is going, perhaps that's the majority demographic.
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