Help me like Civilization 5

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SnowblindFatal: Jan 7, 2011

So I'm a long time fan of the series, and played the hell out of 4 with my mates back in the day. Now I'm finally properly messing around with the fifth, and there's some specific issues with it.

1. Most of the good content is in the end game, and it takes a huge amount of time to get there. You may lose at any point in the game, making it frustrating when you don't even make it to the best parts.

2. The AI is cold like a moneyman's heart. I don't think I've once been able to covince an "ally" to join a war, nor rely on those allies at all with anything else, either. In Civ 4 you could actually have a good ally throughout the entire game and while they sometimes did backstab you, it wasn't constant like in Civ 5.

3. It's impossible to have a big empire until the extreme endgame. Unless you happen to get lucky and have 8 different luxury resources next to you, you run out of smileyfaces so fast that it simply becomes impossible to expand very much. This has lead to my games having large uninhabited areas still in the year 1920 or something. No one has any motivation to wage war when there's still free land up for grabs. This was with the default map size/players settings. Apparently you gotta like double the amount of Civs to make living room even some kind of concern!

4. AI still sucks at combat and it's possible to take out huge enemy armies with just a few well-maneuvering units.

5. Apparently you can't view the map generator's typical results until you actually explore the map in the game. Would be nice to see what sort of map you might be playing on instead of having to guess. For example, fractal was one of my favourite map types in Civ 4 but now it's something completely different.

It's a game I'd like to enjoy, but it's getting tough. Plz give me tips for how to make Civ 5 a better game.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:23

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:20

Mr.Fahrenheit: Dec 27, 2012

SnowblindFatal posted:

So I'm a long time fan of the series, and played the hell out of 4 with my mates back in the day. Now I'm finally properly messing around with the fifth, and there's some specific issues with it.

1. Most of the good content is in the end game, and it takes a huge amount of time to get there. You may lose at any point in the game, making it frustrating when you don't even make it to the best parts.

2. The AI is cold like a moneyman's heart. I don't think I've once been able to covince an "ally" to join a war, nor rely on those allies at all with anything else, either. In Civ 4 you could actually have a good ally throughout the entire game and while they sometimes did backstab you, it wasn't constant like in Civ 5.

3. It's impossible to have a big empire until the extreme endgame. Unless you happen to get lucky and have 8 different luxury resources next to you, you run out of smileyfaces so fast that it simply becomes impossible to expand very much. This has lead to my games having large uninhabited areas still in the year 1920 or something. No one has any motivation to wage war when there's still free land up for grabs. This was with the default map size/players settings. Apparently you gotta like double the amount of Civs to make living room even some kind of concern!

4. AI still sucks at combat and it's possible to take out huge enemy armies with just a few well-maneuvering units.

5. Apparently you can't view the map generator's typical results until you actually explore the map in the game. Would be nice to see what sort of map you might be playing on instead of having to guess. For example, fractal was one of my favourite map types in Civ 4 but now it's something completely different.

It's a game I'd like to enjoy, but it's getting tough. Plz give me tips for how to make Civ 5 a better game.

sir this is a mcdonalds drive thru

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:25

SnowblindFatal: Jan 7, 2011

Mr.Fahrenheit posted:

sir this is a mcdonalds drive thru

Oh no, not again!

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:25

SunAndSpring: Dec 4, 2013

SnowblindFatal posted:

So I'm a long time fan of the series, and played the hell out of 4 with my mates back in the day. Now I'm finally properly messing around with the fifth, and there's some specific issues with it.

1. Most of the good content is in the end game, and it takes a huge amount of time to get there. You may lose at any point in the game, making it frustrating when you don't even make it to the best parts.

2. The AI is cold like a moneyman's heart. I don't think I've once been able to covince an "ally" to join a war, nor rely on those allies at all with anything else, either. In Civ 4 you could actually have a good ally throughout the entire game and while they sometimes did backstab you, it wasn't constant like in Civ 5.

3. It's impossible to have a big empire until the extreme endgame. Unless you happen to get lucky and have 8 different luxury resources next to you, you run out of smileyfaces so fast that it simply becomes impossible to expand very much. This has lead to my games having large uninhabited areas still in the year 1920 or something. No one has any motivation to wage war when there's still free land up for grabs. This was with the default map size/players settings. Apparently you gotta like double the amount of Civs to make living room even some kind of concern!

4. AI still sucks at combat and it's possible to take out huge enemy armies with just a few well-maneuvering units.

5. Apparently you can't view the map generator's typical results until you actually explore the map in the game. Would be nice to see what sort of map you might be playing on instead of having to guess. For example, fractal was one of my favourite map types in Civ 4 but now it's something completely different.

It's a game I'd like to enjoy, but it's getting tough. Plz give me tips for how to make Civ 5 a better game.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:27

El Wombato: Mar 19, 2008; Mexican Marsupial

play mapgames instead

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:27

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

El Wombato posted:

play mapgames instead

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:28

Pewdiepie: Oct 31, 2010

SunAndSpring posted:

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:29

qnqnx: Nov 14, 2010

get the expansions then run into the same problems all over again, OP

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:32

HalfHazard: Mar 29, 2010

SunAndSpring posted:

can't decide if i'm the chicken tendies or the fire emblem 3ds...

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:38

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Mr.Fahrenheit posted:

sir this is a mcdonalds drive thru

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:39

qnqnx: Nov 14, 2010

HalfHazard posted:

can't decide if i'm the chicken tendies or the fire emblem 3ds...

clearly youre the mushroom culture in a cumrag

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:51

SnowblindFatal: Jan 7, 2011

So is this like a solid problem with no fix?

If these posts seem weird it's because I'm also high sorry about that

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:52

Zoq-Fot-Pik: Jun 27, 2008; Frungy!

*Takes a really deep breath for like 10 seconds* THE UNINSTALL MOD

# ? Apr 10, 2015 02:07

SnowblindFatal: Jan 7, 2011

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

*Takes a really deep breath for like 10 seconds* THE UNINSTALL MOD

Hahah ok I get it I get it, but is Civ 5 really such an universally hated game that there's nothing that can save it? I mean it's no Sim City for sure.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 02:10

Jackie D: May 27, 2009; Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.

Its ok but theres a lot of better options out there OP

# ? Apr 10, 2015 02:19

Jackie D: May 27, 2009; Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.

El Wombato posted:

play mapgames instead

# ? Apr 10, 2015 02:19

surc: Aug 17, 2004

Quit being a little bitch and just play this fun game, OP.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:08

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

Mr.Fahrenheit posted:

sir this is a mcdonalds drive thru

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:32

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

surc posted:

Quit being a little bitch and just play this fun game, OP.

he didn't say whether he had civ 4 or not.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:32

Schnedwob: Feb 28, 2014; my legs are okay

it's simultaneously a lot more fun and a lot less fun to play with other people instead of the AI, so as somebody who's not super into mapgames

El Wombato posted:

play mapgames instead

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:33

SnowblindFatal: Jan 7, 2011

Yeah I've been playing lots of Crusader Kings 2 lately and it's a blast. Made it from Western Francia to Roman Empire in a little over 100 years starting from 864 or something.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:34

Schnedwob: Feb 28, 2014; my legs are okay

SunAndSpring posted:

this picture is the product of an incredibly hosed up and broken mind

This gamer likey!!!

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:36

Buck Turgidson: Feb 6, 2011; 𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Civ 4 is still a good game, OP.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 03:49

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Does Civ 5 have Leonard Nimoy doing the tech advancement stuff still?

# ? Apr 10, 2015 04:30

Pewdiepie: Oct 31, 2010

YIKES Stay Gooned posted:

Does Civ 5 have Leonard Nimoy doing the tech advancement stuff still?

Absolutely not.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 04:32

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Pewdiepie posted:

Absolutely not.

Can you mod them back in

# ? Apr 10, 2015 04:33

Schnedwob: Feb 28, 2014; my legs are okay

I fooled you. I fooled you. I got pig iron. I got pig iron. I got all pig iron.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 04:38

Pewdiepie: Oct 31, 2010

YIKES Stay Gooned posted:

Can you mod them back in

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=121611292

# ? Apr 10, 2015 04:38

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Pewdiepie posted:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=121611292

Here you go OP, this should help.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 05:18

subhuman filth: Nov 1, 2006

SnowblindFatal posted:

So I'm a long time fan of the series, and played the hell out of 4 with my mates back in the day. Now I'm finally properly messing around with the fifth, and there's some specific issues with it.

1. Most of the good content is in the end game, and it takes a huge amount of time to get there. You may lose at any point in the game, making it frustrating when you don't even make it to the best parts.

2. The AI is cold like a moneyman's heart. I don't think I've once been able to covince an "ally" to join a war, nor rely on those allies at all with anything else, either. In Civ 4 you could actually have a good ally throughout the entire game and while they sometimes did backstab you, it wasn't constant like in Civ 5.

3. It's impossible to have a big empire until the extreme endgame. Unless you happen to get lucky and have 8 different luxury resources next to you, you run out of smileyfaces so fast that it simply becomes impossible to expand very much. This has lead to my games having large uninhabited areas still in the year 1920 or something. No one has any motivation to wage war when there's still free land up for grabs. This was with the default map size/players settings. Apparently you gotta like double the amount of Civs to make living room even some kind of concern!

4. AI still sucks at combat and it's possible to take out huge enemy armies with just a few well-maneuvering units.

5. Apparently you can't view the map generator's typical results until you actually explore the map in the game. Would be nice to see what sort of map you might be playing on instead of having to guess. For example, fractal was one of my favourite map types in Civ 4 but now it's something completely different.

It's a game I'd like to enjoy, but it's getting tough. Plz give me tips for how to make Civ 5 a better game.

1. i guess?
2. the AI are amoral and calculating. you should be too.
3. this isnt really true. religion is really good for smilies and some civs like egypt can get a good chunk of happiness on early buildings. lux resources should be high priority for city locations until the midgame
4. yep they're very dumb but if they outtech you its still a strategic challenge (they should almost always outtech you). stop playing on warlord and you'll need all your politicking and strategic abilities to handle their machineguns with your badass knights.
5. http://imgur.com/a/pMGtM

# ? Apr 10, 2015 16:10

Sir John Feelgood: Nov 18, 2009

Mr.Fahrenheit posted:

sir this is a mcdonalds drive thru

# ? Apr 10, 2015 16:21

Ralp: Aug 19, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I liked it when I first played it only because I had not played Civ 4 before, so if you really want to like Civ 5 my suggestion is to go back in time and not do that

# ? Apr 10, 2015 16:23

Wormskull: Aug 23, 2009

Why would you care if you liked this trash OP. Come on.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 16:57

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

as someone who played a lot of civ 5 the only reasons to play it are if you can't get into civ 4 and to wistfully dream of what a better dev team could have done with it

# ? Apr 10, 2015 18:07