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whatever7 posted:Come on now she didn't kill her brother. He's talking about the impression that people who don't know her and didn't see any of those events would have.
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"Dude did you hear how the dragon queen killed her brother? They were at Drogo's party and she told Drogo to crown him with molten gold!" "Bullshit dude, what party has a forge?"
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May 3, 2015 22:32
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Well I heard that the Dragon Queen breathed fire and melted the gold herself.
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Lycus posted:Well I heard that the Dragon Queen breathed fire and melted the gold herself. "Let's go to the brothel and gently caress the girl who dresses like her!" 
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May 3, 2015 22:52
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steinrokkan posted:Anyway, has it been indicated how far Dany's power reaches? My impression is that she only ever controls one city, and whenever she moves on, her former dominion reverts to the old ways. Which sort of contributes to her image as a loving failure in the Game of Thrones(TM)(R) IIRC, Dany is basically the current Queen of Slaver's Bay, with some... vague form of regional governance for the cities she isn't actively in. I think it was mentioned how after she left Yunkai the old slave masters took back control, so she's trying to establish some kind of actual system where her law is enforced. Her presumable plan is that whilst she isn't - and probably doesn't intend to be - ruling a single nation state, her dominance of key economic points within an otherwise disparate region means that she might be able to make slavery economically untenable (ie, the same way the British Empire did, though they also had naval dominance to add to their range) within the area, and thus give it an actual end. If she were allowed to do this for the long haul (rather than year by year to reflect a TV season), we might be able to see her influence on the region outside her immediately control, buuuut that's probably not gonna happen.
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I think they said some warlord setup shop in Yunkai after she left so she sent Daario and some troops out to put him down and regain control. She had intended to keep moving on to Westeros but this made her realize she had to hang out and try to establish a working order or everything will be chaos when she leaves. She probably could have taken King's Landing by now.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I think they said some warlord setup shop in Yunkai after she left so she sent Daario and some troops out to put him down and regain control. She had intended to keep moving on to Westeros but this made her realize she had to hang out and try to establish a working order or everything will be chaos when she leaves. She probably could have taken King's Landing by now. Even though it's slowing down the action in her storyline, I am glad they're doing this - since taking Qarth she's basically been unstoppable and easily conquered everything in her path, but she'd constantly been in motion and hopelessly naive that simply conquering was enough. Having it come home to roost (unlike Drogon) that poo poo just doesn't stay settled and she needs to actually rule the lands she conquers is really good for her, or else her taking of Westeros would have just lead to further unrest after the initial shock of her arrival wore off. Robert won the Revolution but then had to spend the next 17 years ruling and he hated every minute of it and did everything he could to ignore his responsibilities, and the chaos that followed his death should have come as no surprise. Dany is learning at a young age that she has to actually show an example, deal with complex problems with solutions beyond,"Burn them all!" and provide the support structure to entail long term societal changes. It's not "sexy" but it is vitally important, and fascinating to watch in its own right - the ruler with the best army AND the trump card of the dragons is still struggling to be an effective leader.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I think they said some warlord setup shop in Yunkai after she left so she sent Daario and some troops out to put him down and regain control. She had intended to keep moving on to Westeros but this made her realize she had to hang out and try to establish a working order or everything will be chaos when she leaves. She probably could have taken King's Landing by now. Well, since the moment she captured the Unsullied legion, she has been bleeding troops seemingly for no gain. Good job, your elite frontline fighters are getting killed in the streets of a city you recently didn't even know existed, while your rightful kingdom lies without a strong ruler.
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tooterfish posted:Most of the Dothraki hosed off after Drogo died (they wouldn't follow a woman), all she had left was a small handful of faithful followers. I keep wondering why a Dothraki horde hasn't showed up to attack her for "corrupting" their great Drogo. I seem to remember he was like, Dothraki Jesus or the Kwizatz Haderach or whatever.
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All the problems Dany is facing now would just be multiplied a hundredfold with any campaign on King's Landing. Basically an entire generation has grown up knowing Baratheon rule, and the Tommen/Margaery monarchy seems well-loved by both the people and the ruling class. Dany is having enough trouble holding onto relatively centralized city-states where she easily decapitated the previous leadership, let alone the vast web of feudal fiefdoms who have very few reasons to support what is now basically a foreign invading mercenary army. An invasion from Essos is also highly complicated and would require a huge logistical/transport component beyond "marching down the road". Stannis landing in the North where the locals are, if not friendly, at least neutral, was pretty smart even beyond his attempted power play with Jon and the Wildlings, plus he has the financial backing of the Iron Bank which helps a lot of his logistical problems as well. (Edit: It also helps that his number two has an exceptional skill set in logistics and the navy! Dany's small council, on the other hand, are two guys who can fight well?) Basically Dany's only real trump card militarily and politically are her dragons and, welp, she kinda hosed that up too Edit 2: Why are the Second Sons even hanging around for so long unless they're getting paid, and where is that money coming from? Any profit they could get from sacking the cities would eventually dry up. I'm sure what's-his-face has plenty of reason to hang around but I'm sure his subordinates kind of want cash CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 01:25 on May 4, 2015 |
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She apparently took control of Mereen's powerful Navy and Tywin called Barristan an experienced general and basically called Joffrey a fool for firing him. I doubt Tywin would care if he was just a swordsman. Trying to rule she would probably still be hosed at this point but if she has her dragons she could probably sit her rear end on that throne in King's Landing for a while if she attacked.
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She was supposed to recruit the mysterious warriors of the Orient for the specific purpose of pacifying the inferior levies of the Westeros who don't wield pure hanzo steel. She's wasting that potential without any apparent goal. The Lannisters and Baratheons are actually very unpopular, based on clues provided in the show, so it's not like her position would be any more untenable. As for having a fleet capable of supporting her invasion - it seems to be basically a plot hole that she failed to secure one after the purge of all the leadership of that town with the teleporting wizards - there was at least one major maritime trader capable of accommodating her men, and following his death Dany was seemingly in a position to take control of his assets. But much like the teleporting wizards, this plot point seems to have been completely forgotten in favour of a tediously meandering melodramatic soap opera from the Orient.
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May 4, 2015 01:51
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let's talk about the real fantasy on HBO right now, Cleveland Browns fans chanting super bowl? 
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steinrokkan posted:She was supposed to recruit the mysterious warriors of the Orient for the specific purpose of pacifying the inferior levies of the Westeros who don't wield pure hanzo steel. She's wasting that potential without any apparent goal. The Lannisters and Baratheons are actually very unpopular, based on clues provided in the show, so it's not like her position would be any more untenable. Joffrey was unpopular because he was a little poo poo. Tommen can reap all the benefits of the Margaery Tyrell PR machine without the negatives of being Joffrey or being Tywin's sock puppet.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Joffrey was unpopular because he was a little poo poo. Tommen can reap all the benefits of the Margaery Tyrell PR machine without the negatives of being Joffrey or being Tywin's sock puppet. Let's wait for E04.
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steinrokkan posted:Let's wait for E04. Well, I'm starting it now, and expecting something bad to happen (more than usual).
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Jorah should've fought Mayweather instead of Pacquiao
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The SituAsian posted:Jorah should've fought Mayweather instead of Pacquiao Mayweather would probably still be favored
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JT Jag posted:Does he get his armor and sword can't stab a hugger
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Meryn loving Trant...
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Meryn loving Trant... Pfft, any boy with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants.
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Holy gently caress in a world of loons these guys are the loving looniest.
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Great, Cersei has added "religious fanatic murderers" to Westeros's list of hosed-up problems
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It's kinda spooky how closely Tommen resembles Joffrey now.
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Say what you will about Joffery but this poo poo never would have happened on his watch.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Great, Cersei has added "religious fanatic murderers" to Westeros's list of hosed-up problems Cersei is the grandma that clicks next on every application installer because it's the fastest way to get rid of the nagging.
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May 4, 2015 02:18
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Looks like Tommen's gonna sleep on the couch tonight.
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May 4, 2015 02:19
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Well, Tommen isn't getting any tonight.
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TNO posted:Looks like Tommen's gonna sleep on the couch tonight. He's in so far over his head I feel abd for him
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Winkie01 posted:Say what you will about Joffery but this poo poo never would have happened on his watch. Yep, the spike maker would have had a field day.
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Photex posted:can't stab a hugger You can't slip a mandritto fendente though...
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Ok, if this continues maybe I can see how Dany would be welcomed as a liberator. Though now with Stannis we have a setup for a religious war!
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Winkie01 posted:Say what you will about Joffery but this poo poo never would have happened on his watch. But poo poo DID happen on his watch 
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May 4, 2015 02:21
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Tommen got the Naive Appeaser education trait, I see
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Spiffster posted:But poo poo DID happen on his watch yeah and he tried to have everyone in that street killed, Joffery knew who he was and the power he had, Tommen just got his dick wet for the first time.
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Nodding is an art form at Castle Black.
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