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Hmmm... I suppose I could be persuaded to play a game of Mafia again... If there's still room, that is.
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Apr 24, 2015 07:46
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Let's see if I can remember how this goes... ##vote kleedrac
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Apr 24, 2015 07:47
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Like riding a bicycle.
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Apr 24, 2015 07:48
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Am I still allowed to call people idiots?
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Apr 24, 2015 08:05
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Wanting to have fun in the first few hours of D1 isn't scummy, though.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:53
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And you're jumping to conclusions based on flavour, based on a limited understanding of TNG. What about that episode where Q has been kicked out of the continuum and needs the captains help? Maybe Q hasn't got any power in this game and is a survivor. Or the one where he makes Riker immortal? Maybe AXE COP's role is to find Riker, make him immortal and win the game for town. Maybe he can see everyone's alignment because he's pan-dimensional and is going to play chess with Picard the entire game because he can, only to get beaten because of his own hubris. Maybe flavour arguments are facile and you're an idiot.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:57
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AXE COP posted:relax a little man I read this as "relax, little man", and I approved of the Q-like phrasing
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Apr 24, 2015 12:16
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I'm looking forward to seeing who got Deanna Troi, and will pipe up after every scum flip to tell us that the lynchee was hiding something.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:18
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I agree that AXE COP should give us some information, but to advocate lynching two players for not wanting to lynch Q is bad and stupid.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:42
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It is also almost completely irrelevant what AXE COP says his role is, he will be lying. And even knowing that, I won't be voting for him today. Even if he dayvigs someone.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:45
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Because it'll be fun. Like voting for Lumpen regardless of alignment, it anomaly improve the game.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:53
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Byers is scum. I will put together a D1 case later and it will knock your loving socks off. In the meantime, who wants me to nominate them and why?
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Apr 24, 2015 16:41
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It's time for a Platonic Dialogue! Ion: I hypothesise that the best way for scum to win is to remain hidden Socrates: And how do they achieve this? Ion: By preventing the town from scum-hunting Socrates: And the best way to prevent scum-hunting is? Ion: Directing conversation in such a way as to make everyone fixate on one subject Byers2142 posted:AXE COP, what's your role here? Your wincon? You got called out special, I'd like to know what we can expect from you. Byers2142 posted:I'd like to hear from him, about his purpose. AXE COP, answer or I try to drive a lynch on you today. Byers2142 posted:I don't know anything about Q except he's a prick, and I don't really care what his flavor is. It's a simple question for AXE COP to answer, and if he won't I'm assuming malicious intent. Socrates: But this seems a rather obvious ploy. Why would the town not spot this behaviour and realise that it is insidious in nature? Ion: Because it is couched in self-praise and language that promotes the view that it is not scum behaviour, but the opposite! Byers2142 posted:I'm saying AC is Q and isn't working with us which suggests an anti-town mentality. Byers2142 posted:From a game perspective, why would you not even entertain the thought of a vote on AXE COP in that situation. Byers2142 posted:He's a special wacky role and he's acting in an anti-town manner, and you want to, what, rando-lynch D1 and let him live? Socrates: Ah, so by implying that his is the only correct town behaviour, he suggests that any player who disagrees is scum! Ion: Precisely. And not simply implying, he states that those who disagree with him are scum. Byers2142 posted:One of KFC or f_v is likely scum, and if AXE COP keeps on with this I'm going to vote him in about 12 hours. Socrates: I am unconvinced. All you've shown me is behaviour that is misguided town in nature, rather than scummy. Ion: You're scum for disagreeing with me, Socrates! No, seriously, there is more. When a town player is called out, they tend to re-evaluate themselves (especially if they are any good) and wonder whether the majority might have a point. Even if they end up sticking to their guns, some degree of introspection is usually apparent. But when a scum player is called out, they subconsciously think that any malleability in their modus operandi will be interpreted as just trying to get along with everyone else and not sticking their head above the parapet. Socrates: So a scum player might overcompensate in their attempts to convince the town? Byers2142 posted:This is the hill I'm planting my flag on today, and am willing to die on over. Socrates: Hmm, I still need more. Ion: Well, how about the self-preservation behaviour? Socrates: What? You just quoted him telling us he was willing to die! Ion: I did. Regard it as hubris: When a player is scum, they are intimately more concious of the votes they are accumulating and tend to panic in the face of a lynching. Socrates: How is this manifest? Ion: Premature claims of being a confirmed town mason or a lover might be a good one, but no-one would actually be so stupid as to think that would work. Byers2142 posted:Confirmed town mason lover. Byers2142 posted:I'm a lover; lynch me, two town die. Ion: Welp! Socrates: Might a scum player under fear of being lynched also cast around with a shotgun approach, accusing anyone and everyone of being scum for no good reason, hoping that someone reacted badly enough to look scummy themselves? Ion: Wisdom, Socrates. You are learning. Byers2142 posted:I don't want Hiipfire going, and I don't like his volunteering. I'm reminded of Golgotha, where scum volunteered early and often to go on the daily events. Byers2142 posted:Another volunteer to watch out for. Ion: Join me, Socrates! ##Vote Byers2142
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Apr 24, 2015 17:14
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Kleedrac posted:That said if you gently caress up HiipFire we're gonna lynch you .... Kleedrac's scum too. Says a load of stuff about how he disagrees with Byers and implies he's scummy, backs out of voting with a jokevote to avoid being accused of bandwagoning.
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Apr 24, 2015 17:16
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Byers2142 posted:Replace me out, Asiina. I should have stuck to my guns when I initially told you no. Sorry. Tell us who your scumbuddies are before you go.
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Apr 24, 2015 17:18
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And if you're town, you should give up and never play mafia again. Town asking to be replaced out in D1 is the worst thing you could do. If you're town, stay, fight your corner, make cases beyond the lovely flavour AxeCop thing. Act in a way that is protown so that if you do get lynched, your death means something. Your current stance is about as anti-town as it gets, way more so than wanting to have fun on D1.
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Apr 24, 2015 17:20
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That is terrible. ##Vote Merk
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Apr 24, 2015 17:20
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Amnistar posted:Serious comment. Look, a reasonable person with sensible thoughts! ##Nominate Amnistar
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Apr 24, 2015 17:21
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Ernie. posted:i think scientastic and amnistar should just get a room On the holodeck
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Apr 24, 2015 17:22
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Pinterest Mom posted:i am really Not Happy about a serious effort to get a claimed lover dunked Good point. You should definitely believe his claim. What was I thinking?!
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Apr 24, 2015 17:35
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Pinterest Mom posted:you're making an easy, obvious case, framing it as a ~revelation~, and you have the easy out of a meltdown if it turns out byers is telling the truth. you're making exactly the case i would expect scum to make rn. Read the quoted posts. It doesn't matter if it's easy, do you agree that the things I have quoted fit with my hypothesis or not? And if not, why not? Calling me out for making a case on an easy target is a bit silly: He's an easy target because of his scummy behaviour.
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Apr 24, 2015 17:45
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HiipFire posted:this is not the "exact same" thing as a day 1 thunderdome between 2 town I'm not reading other games: What are you talking about?
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Apr 24, 2015 17:48
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Pinterest Mom posted:I think "town meltdown" is a plausible enough explanation for his behaviour Pinterest Mom posted:and regardless of that going after a claimed lover D1 is seriously anti-town. That's like a winvirus claim.
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Apr 24, 2015 17:51
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Because he latched onto a play, and when it didn't work, he freaked out and instead of staying and fighting his corner, he replaced out. The town play is to stay in the game and try and scum hunt.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:04
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Hmmm. Let me review his posts and I'll think about it. Not now, obviously. I am off to drink heavily and regret it in the morning.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:24
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Vig use was null, can't draw any conclusions from it. Except that Amnistar, like so many Mafia players, needs to learn to keep it in his pants.
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Apr 25, 2015 00:01
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I'm very tired. I will have another look at everyone's terrible D1 scumminess tomorrow and report my conclusions.
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Apr 25, 2015 00:05
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It's like a lot of you have never played Mafia before. Dayvigs are always loving stupid, because almost everyone does exactly the same thing with them, which is kill the first person that gets in the crosshairs. I don't know many players in this game, and it's been like three years since I last played, but vigging a random on D1 is neither town nor scum. It's just a thing that people do. And it always results in the same thing. A load of morons jumping on the Vig because it's easy, and a load of scum piling in because it stops any real scum hunting.
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Apr 25, 2015 00:38
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Runaktla posted:##vote Kleedrac I concur with this. ##Vote Kleedrac And now I am going to bed.
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Apr 25, 2015 00:41
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Hi there lying liar, I would like you to tell me some things. What is the point to your post, beyond posturing?
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Apr 25, 2015 10:06
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Also his "breadcrumbing" is completely worthless. Scum get fake claims.
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Apr 25, 2015 10:09
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Mornacale posted:1) it's not just some last-minute grasp at saving himself, so it's worth seriously considering the possibility that it's true, and 1. No, from the word go just means that Amnistar isn't an idiot. Scum are capable of planning things in advance. It doesn't remotely clear him. 2. No, again. Just because Amni had laid plans, there's no evidence that he had a Vig before the red alert thing. And I wasn't calling you a liar, I was mocking the way you suggested that Amni was lying, then asked him to tell you things. How many games of Mafia have you played?
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Apr 25, 2015 16:27
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Busy busy busy, but I have been following the thread. So I will post a case, then I will be going to bed.
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Apr 26, 2015 23:42
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Bandwagoning of popular targets:Kleedrac posted:Basically I'm not happy with how you're railing against the confirmed flavor and only trying to defend it by saying that you're "the only one playing mafia." It's bad play sir. Kleedrac posted:For all these reasons I'm gonna go ahead and; Bad votes: Kleedrac posted:That said if you gently caress up HiipFire we're gonna lynch you .... Kleedrac posted:I really dislike your entire mentality - others have started being nervous about the Q role but you take it to a new level - you're railing on one of the confirmed flavors in the game for no real reason and then claiming if discussion progresses you're going to "afk out" and lurk on us?! gently caress you. Mafia Dadding: Kleedrac posted:If someone tells you "my way or afk" then they aren't helping town and should be lynched. Kleedrac posted:OK clarification: All lies are BAD FOR THE TOWN. Hedging: Kleedrac posted:This is what I think as well. Basically I can tell from my own flavor/role that flavor is probably actually tied to role in this game - so making a flavor case against a player isn't the worst thing. But by this same logic I would assume that Q is unkillable and not necessarily anti-town. It could very much be that he is town! Kleedrac posted:It's also very strange (to me at least) that lovers would be masons - but perhaps that's something that's useful for other reasons. Most importantly, my gut says that Kleedrac is scum: The whole aura of his posting is duplicitious to me. Nothing reads as the genuine writing of someone who isn't constantly self-editing to avoid loving up their scumbuddies. Join me, vote for Kleedrac, lynch scum.
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Apr 26, 2015 23:56
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Stop voting Amnistar. He vigged someone in the same way that he would if he was scum or town; there is literally no reason to think that him vigging Ernie is a scumtell. If you think he's scum, post a case that's not "he stupidly vigged someone". Otherwise, vote for someone who has a genuine case on them, like Kleedrac. Who, incidentally, was the third vote on Amnistar. THIRD VOTE SCUM VOTE.
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Apr 27, 2015 00:00
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Met posted:Amnistar is my choice right now because of the deceit. That is a stupid reason to vote for someone. What about "the deceit" makes him scum? Seriously, no-one has articulated at all why Amnistar is scum, they've just said why he's bad at mafia.
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Apr 27, 2015 00:02
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I hope someone else with a brain can do a better job of persuading people to vote for scum, because I need to go to bed.
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Apr 27, 2015 00:03
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What is a stump?
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Even if Taste is telling the truth, it's not a stone cold case: there have been plenty of games where non-town have been somehow able to manipulate town into performing their nk. I've run one, I'm pretty sure Ecco has too. I buy Somber's claim that he has no night role way more than I'd buy any other sort of claim.
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