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charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



As anyone ever done any kind of documentary/video on you and your insane creations? If not, can I?

Completely serious inquiry too, I'm about 4.5 hours away and would love to come document you at work and in action.

charliebravo77 fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 24, 2015

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MohawkSatan
Dec 20, 2008

by Cyrano4747


hubel585/Ed/whatever, as someone who's working on becoming a gunsmith, with a lot of focus on BEEG BOOLITS you are literally my hero

froward
Jun 2, 2014


Ed it looks like your cannons are a barrel set on a wood stick that you put your shoulder behind. Very painful. Do you have any recoil system at all?

z06ck
Dec 22, 2010



Ed's thread owns

Thanks and God Bless

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Thanks guys-- Call me Ed.

I hope to get the place spiffied up this summer and guys can come then,
as the grandkids, nagged me to clean/fix up, so they can do videos
for FBook and YTube also..

For recoil reduction we use thick pads, barrel porting , muzzle brakes,----And spring cam
butt stocks, thumbhole stocks, both of which reduce felt recoil at least 25%,

Plus the extra weight with heavy barrels used on most guns, and added weight in the butt
to balance the heavier barrel. Balance is most important along with a tight hold
to shoot comfortable. Here is picture of a Hogue Cam base Comstock on a FBW Model S
we did in 585HE. Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Apr 24, 2015

z06ck
Dec 22, 2010



hubel585 posted:

Thanks guys-- Call me Ed.

I hope to get the place spiffied up this summer and guys can come then,
as the grandkids, nagged me to clean/fix up, so they can do videos
for FBook and YTube also..

For recoil reduction we use thick pads, barrel porting , muzzle brakes,----And spring cam
butt stocks, thumbhole stocks, both of which reduce felt recoil at least 25%,

Plus the extra weight with heavy barrels used on most guns, and added weight in the butt
to balance the heavier barrel. Balance is most important along with a tight hold
to shoot comfortable. Here is picture of a Hogue Cam base Comstock on a FBW Model S
we did in 585HE. Ed

http://www.gunownerstv.com/fbwknoxx.jpg
I think we have your name down Ed. Keep on keepin' on

Soupisgood
Dec 5, 2012


Ed, whenever I see your stuff, I can't help but think you have a deep, all consuming hatred for elephants.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

Soupisgood posted:

Ed, whenever I see your stuff, I can't help but think you have a deep, all consuming hatred for elephants.

or mountains...or Sperm Whales...or small planets...

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


I like elephants, rather shoot cape buffalo, lions, grizleys, russian tanks, etc.

Here is a 585 that would be light and easy to sling carry to be
handy to reach, in case we have one get close, and have to
stick one up his nose. It's 6.5 lbs and have to load 650 gr only 2500,
as anymore and it spins me around, shot from the hip. Ed

thermobollocks
Jul 5, 2009

GET A DILLON

hubel585 posted:

I like elephants, rather shoot cape buffalo, lions, grizleys, russian tanks, etc.

Here is a 585 that would be light and easy to sling carry to be
handy to reach, in case we have one get close, and have to
stick one up his nose. It's 6.5 lbs and have to load 650 gr only 2500,
as anymore and it spins me around, shot from the hip. Ed



How has this not been in a Hellboy movie yet?

Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010



That looks terrifying to shoot but also neat as hell. And hearing about a 650 grain bullet "only" going 2,500 feet per second just broke my brain.

I choose to believe you have a long-running family feud with Hubbel and are doing your damndest to shoot their uppity little telescope out of the sky.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


hubel585 posted:

I like elephants, rather shoot cape buffalo, lions, grizleys, russian tanks, etc.

Here is a 585 that would be light and easy to sling carry to be
handy to reach, in case we have one get close, and have to
stick one up his nose. It's 6.5 lbs and have to load 650 gr only 2500,
as anymore and it spins me around, shot from the hip. Ed



I gasped audibly at the idea of actually shooting that

tumblr.txt
Jan 11, 2015

by zen death robot


This is the best thread in TFR ever. Sorry goat thread.

DrakeriderCa
Feb 3, 2005

But I'm a real cowboy!

Holy poo poo, Ed. This is awesome. I love your cartridges, your guns and your Safari Car.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Posting to reiterate how fantastic this thread is.

Action Jesus
Jun 18, 2002



hubel585 posted:

I like elephants, rather shoot cape buffalo, lions, grizleys, russian tanks, etc.

Here is a 585 that would be light and easy to sling carry to be
handy to reach, in case we have one get close, and have to
stick one up his nose. It's 6.5 lbs and have to load 650 gr only 2500,
as anymore and it spins me around, shot from the hip. Ed



hahahaha that's amazing.

What sort of long range accuracy are you seeing out of these big bore wildcats, Ed? I'm interested how they perform at 500+ yards and what sort of trajectory the projectile has.

I think I already said it but this thread is excellent.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Edwin Hubbel is distant cousin, all of us are related, just different
parts of the family spelled name different. Like Carl the pitcher, etc.

That light gun with real low factory 577 equivalent load of 650 at 2100,
even a smaller person or a lady could shoot it.

I do want to see Arnold tear up the latest borg with one of our creations in a movie.
That 6 gal pale of water atomizing from the power, bent steel bench top.Ed

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE




Mr. Hubel, thank you for sharing this information. It has been a fascinating and awe-inspiring read!

Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010



Every time I click this thread when I see a new response, I wind up re-reading it with my jaw hanging open.

Gorgonzola Cheese
Feb 20, 2007
Gorgonzola's revenge!

Hi Ed, it looks like you amazing work, wow. Just. Wow.

I have a few questions:
How do you measure chamber psi? How do you know when you are getting close to the danger zone?

What's your set up for testing the first shot of a new cartidge? 30 feet of string tied to the trigger?

You rock.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Accuracy is great with the 650 and 750gr spire pointed bullets, like shooting

smaller bullets at high speed in lessor calibers. A 650 gr spire point at 2900

will shoot a flat trajectory like a 300 Win Mag with pointed bullet.

Like the case in picture with blue pointed bullet.Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 02:46 on May 13, 2015

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Here is a pointed 585 bullet good for long range.



And for long loaded, pointed bullet loads, for target use, a Ruger #1
like this one can do, the first 585HE built in Australia.



Question asked about safe load testing, we use the basic velocity formula that
is the basis for the computer velocity and pressure programs. That basic formula
was developed 60 years ago, and we helped a little with it . It uses fudge factors to
represent pressures that are to generate certain speeds. We use starting loads
and if chrono gives a velocity that matches what formula says we are ok. If speed
is more, then we know to adjust the fudge factor in the math.

And we test in heavy actions and barrels so we have safety margin. If cases stick
a little we are still way below where the chamber would blow up.
And over the years we had labs test stuff to verify that our math is right.
Here is picture of some of the heavy barrel blanks we have and can get.
The barrel on top is a profiled one for regular weight guns. Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 04:12 on May 13, 2015

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


how did you get started in wildcatting, Ed?

Blimpkin
Dec 28, 2003


I don't know what's going on here, but I'm bookmarking this and reading it forever.

Ed, you're the man.

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


This thread is awesome. You are awesome, Ed.

Have you ever considered making a fin stabilized discarding sabot round for one of your larger smoothbores, like the 4-bore or 2-bore?

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Started- I always been interested in internal ballistics and big bores.
Got my first big bore a 458 WIN ,years ago, and figured it wasn't big
enough and started wildcatting 458s and then on up to 585 and more.

We have checked on fin stabilized, and guys can get them in
12ga, but for bigger bores getting the plastic sabot parts made
is real expensive. Example our 12ga sabot we had made took a year and
couple grand just to make the extrusion mold. For a 8ga you can use
8ga wadcup that BPI sells and shoot 10ga slugs in it, and get a
10ga mold to make pointed slugs.

If I cobbled up something for 4 bore I make a finned bullet of about
585 cal and use slices of pvc tubes to fill in between the fins and
support finned bullet and set them all on the 4 bore over powder card
and a cushion wad..

Closest we get to that concept in rifle is to use a real long pointed 458
bullet in a 585 sabot in our 585HE, shown in picture.



In 585HE we have the extremes with sabot loads, with long 458 bullet shown
above and short light pistol bullets in sabot, below.Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 13, 2015

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

How fast have you gotten that .458 to chrono?

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.


Humbug Scoolbus posted:

How fast have you gotten that .458 to chrono?

MaxPowers
Dec 29, 2004


Holy sweet baby jesus. I want to see what this will do to 500 gauge steel.

gently caress it I want to see what this will do to EVERYTHING!

I need a change of shorts.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


The 500gr 458 rifle bullet in that 585 sabot goes 3200 plus.

The 250 gr pistol bullet in its 585 sabot goes 4400.

What is a real blast is a guy with PTRD with the 5 foot barrel, shooting our
cartridge in a chamber insert. A 650 gr bullet at 3300 plus..

Insert model below. Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 14, 2015

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



hubel585 posted:

What is a real blast is a guy with PTRD with the 5 foot barrel, shooting our
cartridge in a chamber insert. A 650 gr bullet at 3300 plus..

Insert model below. Ed


Holy poo poo.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

This is really something else, I love what you're doing with these.
My first thought on seeing that 2-bore case is to wonder if it would work to drive a light-gas gun. Are any wildcatters experimenting with those?
I think that if paired with something like a .223 second barrel, 20,000 fps could be in reach.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



hubel585 posted:

The 500gr 458 rifle bullet in that 585 sabot goes 3200 plus.

The 250 gr pistol bullet in its 585 sabot goes 4400.

What is a real blast is a guy with PTRD with the 5 foot barrel, shooting our
cartridge in a chamber insert. A 650 gr bullet at 3300 plus..

Insert model below. Ed



Hahahaha holy gently caress. This entire thread is amazing and somehow this comes out as the neatest part

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

hubel585 posted:

The 500gr 458 rifle bullet in that 585 sabot goes 3200 plus.

The 250 gr pistol bullet in its 585 sabot goes 4400.

What is a real blast is a guy with PTRD with the 5 foot barrel, shooting our
cartridge in a chamber insert. A 650 gr bullet at 3300 plus..

Insert model below. Ed



11,000+ ft/lbs muzzle energy on that .458...

drat.

DominusDeus
Jul 20, 2008


As a cartridge collector... you wouldn't be willing to sell me a live round, would you? Also looking for a .700 Nitro Express and .577 Tyrannosaur.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


The two bore case would run a gas gun, and the gov has got a 40mm
operated one, which is bigger yet. 2 bore case is made from 27 mm.

No wildcatters I know have experimented with that or have the means to do it.

Yes we sell loaded rounds for collectors, have to send them by Fed Ex.
Email me for details -- gunowner@journey.com

I don't have Trex or 700NE, , but have got a 700HE, a long belted case.Ed

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014



hubel585 posted:

As for DD we applied for and got a sporting use exemption like
all others over 50cal have done that were not in place before the
GCA law. And all shot gun caliber are exempt.

I kinda wanna hear a little more about what this process is like. What do you have to do to demonstrate your round has a "sporting purpose", unlike the bad kind of gigantic cannon bullet?

right arm posted:

you make extremely cool stuff Ed

SavageMessiah
Jan 28, 2009

Emotionally drained and spookified



Toilet Rascal

hubel585 posted:

No wildcatters I know have experimented with that or have the means to do it.

Someone has GOT to do this. It seems like the natural endgame for wildcatters - a shoulder fired light gas gun.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


I don't know if the gas gun could be made light enough to be
fired by hand, It is all most can do hold up our 27. lb 4bore.

To get a new over 50 cal cartridge listed as sporting you send
ATF Tech Branch a letter along with dimensional drawing.

In the letter you state that case is for sporting, hunting, and target use.
You give them the name; This process is for non-shotgun calibers.
Shotgun calibers being straight sided shotgun type chambers, set so
that no matter how long a case you have, short cases still fit chamber.
IE, you can't neck down a 40mm to 12ga and call it an exempt 12ga under
the rules as a shorter 12ga cases wouldn't fit.

Most important you state that it will be used in bolt actions,
break actions, falling block actions, lever actions.

Latter most important for approval. You don't have to mention types of
bullets or kinds of powder, or whether cases are brass, steel, aluminum.
Can be black powder like this load representation of the black
powder substitute pellets, and minie bullet in our 585 HE. Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 15, 2015

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hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

I LIKE BIG BULLETS
AND I CANNOT LIE


Quote ''What's your set up for testing the first shot of a new cartridge''

More info-- When we use our formula to figure out a load, it is a
moderately hot load, but not a max test load, Then we load 90% of
that amount of powder the formula called for and start testing.
Then we check extraction and check the base of the case ahead
of the belt. These cases have little indent about 3/32" ahead of the belt
that gives an easy visual idea of the amount of peak pressure.

These cases are tough and moderate 40,000 PSI loads won't even push
the indent out, and if loads are heavy enough to push it out we
measure that expansion as a means to get and idea of the pressure.

Lab work has shown with belted cases, when cases are expanded ahead of
the belt by what is a regular safe pressure level for the cases and
to have the cases in a condition to reload many times , that they will
be about .003" bigger than unfired. Here is picture where you can
just see indent in the right cases, Left case fired regular top load.Ed

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