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Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC



hubel585 posted:

That pictured 30 x 113 belted chain gun case you posted, would

be real neat for making wildcats, need to find a barrel of empties. Ed
You'd probably have to make very good friends with someone in the RAF. As far as I can tell, the US M230 rounds all use aluminum casings, the French use steel in the DEFA, and the British ADEN rounds are the only ones that use brass.

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Javid
Oct 21, 2004

My sole partiality is to that delectable spiced meat. Any additional confederation of vegetables shall not compromise the pie as I see it.

I'm pretty sure he's posted about working steel cases before so that's no problem. Don't know about aluminum though.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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That is the first picture of the 30 x 113 belted that I have seen that was brass.

And for our use to wildcat it, we would need brass ones.

Regular wildcatters don't have the equipment to neck down steel cases.

The only steel case I could do anything with was the 27mm x 145 Typhoon

and I just cut it off at shoulder and reamed out a bit, to make our 2 bore

case. And we turned off the belt, and left the rim full diameter,

to make a rimmed shotgun type 2ga case.. Ed


hubel585 fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 22, 2016

DominusDeus
Jul 20, 2008


Helter Skelter posted:

You'd probably have to make very good friends with someone in the RAF. As far as I can tell, the US M230 rounds all use aluminum casings, the French use steel in the DEFA, and the British ADEN rounds are the only ones that use brass.

If you zoom in on the bottom, you can see it says "J.30MM.RG83". RG = Radway Green, Royal Ordnance Factory, 1983. It's an ADEN round. The rest of the markings are;

789 CY 84 PRAC 4Z
J.30MM.RG83

789 - Lot number
CY - Filling Factory, ROF Chorley
84 - Date of loading, 1984
PRAC 4Z - Practice Mark 4 loaded with nitrocellulose propellant
J - Case type
30mm - Caliber
RG - Case maker, ROF Radway Green, Cheshire
83 - Date of manufacture, 1983

[EDit] Ed, if you see this, how much $ for a live 4-bore cartridge? 2-bore as well?

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hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
further bac, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
Needs polishing and blueing, scope rail added.



Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is pic of Big Lawton action bolt with

our 585HE case in it.Ed

Yond Cassius
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

hubel585 posted:

Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



I think what we have here is proof that RIP/ExtremeShock/DRT/etc are not in fact new phenomenon, just the latest spins on ideas that have been steeping in the backs of our collective minds for almost the entire history of the gun.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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And there are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.




Here is another view of the great camo job on the
585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Hello Mr. Hubel,


We just got back on Saturday from competing at the King of 2 Miles Match in New Mexico.


We won! I came in first shooting my rifle (the one I brought over and showed you),


chambered in .375 Lethal Magnum, the round I designed based off of your case.


Iím attaching a bunch of pictures, feel free to post any of them that you want.


I do have one picture of the screen of the camera system looking at the 2500-yard target.


The hit farthest to the left and the hit farthest to the right were my 1st and 2nd shots.



Iím getting more interest in this cartridge now that the results


from this match are spreading across the web.



Happy 4th!


Take care,



Mitchell Fitzpatrick

Lethal Precision Arms

1(989)578-2576



--------------------------------------


Will have pics soon, his case is close to 375 Warlord case

with a shorter neck, and longer to shoulder.

Got guys getting 585HE cases, they all think we have

''the'' case to wildcat... Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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.
Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver

wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.

Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga one BPI has.






Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.






That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The

2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.






Here is picture of a case a Trex owner made using our 585 brass, by putting

a piece of 11/16 tubing ,cut a piece 2/10 of an inch long with a tube cutter chamfered

the cut side a bit and tapped it on the case down to the belt with the brass pipe

and fireformed it in the T Rex chamber.......Made a perfect fitting case.

Cut our brass to 3" to fit shorter trex specs. He was out of brass

and couldn't find more, so he invented his own. And our rim was big

enough so his extractor still worked ok....His original Trex case base is .685"

and our rim and belt on first case run, is .655" diameter, and base ahead

of the belt on unfired cases .631" and the brass sleave pushed up tight to the

belt just takes up that little difference. Ed.


Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010



Really want to shoot that gun.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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We have heard that fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, is working

with Bertram in making a run of the full length 12ga From Hell cases.

Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.

Any wanting to get some, and get in on the run, contact Bertram

at the email ----- b.bertram1@bigpond.com ......





Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal.......

.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make

these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..


Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed


hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan

Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.




Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

for our case as it came from production line,.




I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots.

We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,





Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed


hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE ,

both about same power, and we now the 375 HE version, reamers at makers,have

released it to public domain, we are forming 375 HE cases,

and in a few weeks have a bunch. Got 3 groups doing that part time.

The reamer is public,being made by Manson and PTG and JGS, so anyone wanting to do

a super ELR rifle, time to do it, now that big supply of cases

so maybe you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand. Then

go try the two mile contests next year. The reamer guys can also make die reamers.Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jan 1, 2017

The Pigeon
Feb 8, 2008

I have nothing to say here.


College Slice

At what point do you have to consider it an artillery competition? Even with a scope, I'd be lucky to just find the target at 2 miles. Anyways, thanks for posting Ed. I really enjoy reading and learning in this thread.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Artillery starts at Sherman tank level I think... Ed


hubel585 fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 29, 2016

DominusDeus
Jul 20, 2008


Just make a bolt action 40mm Bofors.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

Shoulder fired sPzB 41

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK


Slippery Tilde

DominusDeus posted:

Just make a bolt action 40mm Bofors.

Stop. I can only get so erect.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

My sole partiality is to that delectable spiced meat. Any additional confederation of vegetables shall not compromise the pie as I see it.

Is there a 28 ga FH or is that pretty much what the 585 is?

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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We made 28ga Fh that is 550 bore, to much problen getting brass

our 24gaFH is same as our 585 bore,

just different case with a rim, andcan get cases for that.Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Got about a thousand 375 HE cases done, have twice as many soon.

Testing loads, we can get 200gr ball powder under a 300 gr bullet

loaded out long..ED

Teketeketeketeke
Mar 11, 2007




hubel585 posted:

Got about a thousand 375 HE cases done, have twice as many soon.

Testing loads, we can get 200gr ball powder under a 300 gr bullet

loaded out long..ED

Wow, you've been busy! Glad to hear an update. What are your big plans for 2017?

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Just see how many 585HEs And 375HEs we can get going.

And be nice if half the top 10 at the 2 mile shoot would be cases

built on our 585HE. Like 375 HE And 375 Lethal. Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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How we size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no monster dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, those reamers can make a pile of dies.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck, IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up, Start
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing, that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE cases behind presses getting done. About 600 on another bench
nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide...,,.Ed


hubel585 fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Feb 1, 2017

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


What primers are used for 585 and 375? Large rifle magnum?

Arse Porn Cage
Oct 9, 2003



MazeOfTzeentch posted:

What primers are used for 585 and 375? Large rifle magnum?
Or the bigger ones used in .50 BMG?

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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The large rifle, Federal 215 MAG.

We are just getting started, tested 300 gr flat base so far, with
200gr ball,will test for speed in increasing weights , up to 400 gr;
Got the 300 gr way over 3800 with longer freebore than what guys
are doing with CEBs, Allows more powder. less pressure problems,
Here is pic of extra old barrel we use checking a dozen freebore fits,
using throater to ream freebore in stages, The bullet being checked in barrel
is 400 gr, and case behind on desk has same and its overall length is 4.05",
and we can get 185gr ball powder under it in the case.



Here are case measurements.




Those 600 cases behind being necked to 375 HE, just need deburring
and 2 passes and they are done.Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is the neck swage die setup, group using couple like this now.

A threaded die we put sleeve in to fit case, its top is threaded 7/8 x 14.

Bullet seating stems with these dies is same thread and we had a bunch.

They have 30 degree taper in them with hole, we redrill/reamed hole sizes

.020" increments, for last 5 stages, First sets are just 7/8 x 14 die parts with

30 degree chamfer we put on 6 of them. Matches case shoulder taper.

We have 6 more of big threaded dies if some want to get one to sleeve and

make neck swage, CH4 got those top stems to rework.

Most wildcatters got die parts to rework,Ed

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 12, 2017

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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WE got a hydraulic forming die setup we made,

Saves a lot of time and powder, and gets shoulder

to fairly good chamber size. Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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How come pictures not showing in above posts

Test of 375 HE, 340 gr loaded out in

long freebore going 3700,

On the case print the length from

base to shoulder revised to 2.840".. Ed

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

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Simply put, the website you're hosting the images on is not using the secure https: protocol. With many modern web browsers that means that they will not appear on a page like somethingawful.com which require it.

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



hubel585 posted:

Here is the neck swage die setup, group using couple like this now.

A threaded die we put sleeve in to fit case, its top is threaded 7/8 x 14.

Bullet seating stems with these dies is same thread and we had a bunch.

They have 30 degree taper in them with hole, we redrill/reamed hole sizes

.020" increments, for last 5 stages, First sets are just 7/8 x 14 die parts with

30 degree chamfer we put on 6 of them. Matches case shoulder taper.

We have 6 more of big threaded dies if some want to get one to sleeve and

make neck swage, CH4 got those top stems to rework.

Most wildcatters got die parts to rework,Ed


Rehosted.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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About the hydraulic forming die setup we made, for 375 HE,

Saves a lot of time and powder, and gets them to chamber size.

The cases we and others necked to 375 had kind of what is called

small love handles or donut, at the shoulder. If we tried holding it

all in at the shoulder, case too thick there when looked at

by sectioning case . Even when we sectioned them to check

after firing, But doing them in the hydraulic die, which is adjustable,

with debth changes in the die, we was able to get shoulder looking right, by stretching

out the donut, and shoulder forward, gained .020" length to shoulder, so

made our test gun chamber longer to match, leaving belt step in same place,

from base to shoulder to match, after firing, were better at the shoulder when sectioned,

IE looked better on the inside of case sides to shoulder corner,

and that is how we got the revision for reamer figured out best.

Then got all reamer prints at Manson, PTG, JGS, to match.

Case forming easier, proportions better, little more volume.

Our hydro die, we made adjustable base, made things lot easier.

In essence an adjustable chamber.. Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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The site where I put pictures is mine, but is hosted on '' go daddy.''

They all seem to open if we open each in 2nd tab, Ed

hubel585
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Got guys getting excited including family,on 416, so making up 416 cases for

it already and doing final 416 HE, reamer print, have an action ready ,

already have a 416 test barrel here to check it in, when they put it in the

action in few days, and will be load and speed testing when cold spell breaks.


Please check this out, a new real long range shoot planned for

this summer in South Texas. Ed


Got guys getting excited including family,on 416, so making up 416 cases for

it already and doing final 416 HE, reamer print, have an action ready ,

already have a 416 test barrel here to check it in, when they put it in the

action in few days, and will be load and speed testing when cold spell breaks.


Please check this out, a new real long range shoot planned for

this summer in South Texas. Ed



https://www.facebook.com/Worlds-Longest-Shot-Challenge-646715345535539/


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hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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After bunch of 416 HEs done will do some 408 HE s for guys, will have hydro die also
to get accurate specs and have them at reamer makers. 416 HE 202 gr. capacity.
.Getting interesting reaming out CTs..Ed Hubel

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is picture of couple of our 375HE cases with a 378 WEA

on the left, our first cases middle has 330gr, other is 400 gr,Ed

http://www.gunownerstv.com/375hecases.jpg

hubel585 fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 17, 2017

Soupisgood
Dec 5, 2012


It looks like you could just get away with using an entire 9mm cartridge instead of the bullet with those things.

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MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


Multi-stage ammunition. Use a gun to fire another gun to fire a bullet.

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