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hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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A picture of our 375 HE hydro die.

We use it on lathe bed, we give rod a dozen hits.

Base is adjustable, which great aid in getting best case results. Ed..

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Herr Tog
Jun 18, 2011



Grimey Drawer

I don't see any pictures, I hope you are well.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


Fixed

hubel585 posted:

A picture of our 375 HE hydro die.

We use it on lathe bed, we give rod a dozen hits.

Base is adjustable, which great aid in getting best case results. Ed..



hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Picture of the 416 HE target case, these run through

the hydro-die, test gun done, testing soon, to confirm specs.Ed

gizmojumpjet
Feb 21, 2006

Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt.

Grimey Drawer

hubel585 posted:

Picture of the 416 HE target case, these run through

the hydro-die, test gun done, testing soon, to confirm specs.Ed


hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases
necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

hubel585 posted:

Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases
necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed


hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, ac long one pictured.
Holds 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The
3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4000 without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3700, it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. Ed

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


hubel585 posted:

Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, ac long one pictured.
Holds 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The
3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4000 without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3700, it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. Ed





What's the parent case for that?

Soupisgood
Dec 5, 2012


If I ever come across a pile of money, I'm just going to buy a rifle in one of your insane wildcat rounds and just spend all my free time hunting engine blocks, nature's most feared predator.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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I make 416 HSM cases from bmg brass, will have numbers
built up this summer as we get tools setto do them fast.

Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. Here are specs for 416 HE.


Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Our 416 HSM will have about 25gr more capacity than regular

50bmg, and as for actions if you add up the fat bolt non-bmg

actions, with .750"- .800" bolts, there are about a dozen, some priced

pretty reasonable.

For 416 HSM we can use a EU made primer I have some of, that

is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder

than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up

hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.

When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017

The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward.
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
Got info from LRO site,

The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles

NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
(front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
all targets are all 36" x 36"

Soupisgood
Dec 5, 2012


Crew served shooting competitions sound like a blast.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is picture of 416 HSM fireformed once,
next to bmg case we make it from and as we
improve wildcatting process next few weeks
some specs may make small changes, now from
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long.... Ed..


hubel585 fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Apr 26, 2017

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

Processing that that is almost four inch long rifle brass is just amazing.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012



A modern Sandy Hook test with modern big-bore wildcat cartridges? I absolutely love it!

Keep taking those pictures!

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original

BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have

enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,

in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting

work set up so we can do couple hundred a month.

We still have thousands of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs,,Ed


Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

How thick are the sidewalls on the 416?

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma




Fixed the image for you!

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Side walls HSM about 1.5 times as thick as

my 375 HE, 416 HE , 585 HE..Ed

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Here is comparison of our 416 target cases, 1st is 416 HE, which we have a whole bunch of.
Second is a model of what I'd have Bruce make on his medium machine, if I could, the
416 HE Long. Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting
bmg cases, If I could for target use I'd also make 375 HE longer.. Ed..

Yond Cassius
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

hubel585 posted:

Here is comparison of our 416 target cases, 1st is 416 HE, which we have a whole bunch of.
Second is a model of what I'd have Bruce make on his medium machine, if I could, the
416 HE Long. Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting
bmg cases, If I could for target use I'd also make 375 HE longer.. Ed..



Imgurizing picture for the curious:


What's the line across the "416 HE Long", just a little ways behind the shoulder?

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.







Soiled Meat

This technical stuff is way over my head, but I wandered into this thread because of the name and stayed for Ed and the big rear end guns. Keep on rocking Ed!

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very, very similar to 375HE )...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

I understand that there was 2-3 times as many guys wanting
to try the 2 mile shoot at Whittington than there was openings for.
So check out Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)..Ed

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

drat.

Wickerman
Feb 26, 2007

Boom, mothafucka!

That grouping at 2 miles really makes me want to shoot it

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,
this weekend at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
He is now the only shooter moved on to 4100 yards!
Unfortunately Mitch couldn't connect at 4100 yards. The natural
variables are magnified so much at these distances!
A great accomplishment at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge.

The Pigeon
Feb 8, 2008

I have nothing to say here.


College Slice

That is absolutely astounding. it baffles me anyone can even see a target at that range even with glass.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

Dandelion fluff bumping into the round as it's heading downrange could give it enough error. That is incredible.

hubel585
Mar 26, 2015

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The range was over a wooded area, then over a creek, then an irrigated farm field,

to about 2 miles, then last part was bare ground, much hotter ground from

a map I saw. Possibly Upward wind currents would be much stronger..Ed

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Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.


College Slice

Incredible

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