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NewMars posted:What religion is romano-britannia? Hellenic? Christian? Celtic? Hellenchristic?
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# ? May 12, 2015 09:37 |
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Hellenic romano-britannia would be a glorious clusterfuck in CK2.
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# ? May 12, 2015 09:37 |
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Great, now I want some weird syncrentic mixup religion for CK2 romano-britannia. Like what people in the 19th century thought celtic/insular christianity was, instead of the debate about tonsure that it really was.
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NewMars posted:What religion is romano-britannia? Hellenic? Christian? Celtic? It usually spawns with Graeco-Roman paganism, and since the only other major religion in the region is Celtic paganism, it can't really get any weirder/more badass.
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# ? May 12, 2015 10:07 |
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Maybe use Mithras for Britain, if they remain a major pagan power until the end of the game? otoh that's more work for me. Probably going to just end up integrating some Paradoxian's enhanced Zoroastrian and Hellenic Paganism mods, and then build more on top of that, since it seems likely that both religions are going to be more dominant here (even after maybe fudging a bit of Christianization over the 300-year jump), so that'll be fun times getting that all to work proper. It's very tempting to brush over religious differences and switch some places over to different faiths, though. Diplomacy outside of a religious group is a lot more limited, and if Europe is too religiously fragmented, then there won't be many other realms for us to play diplomacy with. Kinfolk910 posted:What are the bonus objectives actually? Raserys posted:Gotcha covered. At least at a base level, I pretty much stole the names from the IB wiki, so alter as you like. You know, assuming they survive. I tried making up a bunch of cultures before starting the LP, in the hope that some potential outcomes could actually be anticipated and I could just plop in some ready-made stuff without having to spend extra time between Attila and CK2. Some of them will probably end up being used, but plenty of others won't.
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Ofaloaf posted:It's very tempting to brush over religious differences and switch some places over to different faiths, though. Diplomacy outside of a religious group is a lot more limited, and if Europe is too religiously fragmented, then there won't be many other realms for us to play diplomacy with. You could maybe play around a bit with the religious groups? Say instead of having a "Christian" group as is the case with vanilla CK2, you could replace that with a "Roman Cults" group that includes Christianity as well as Roman and Celtic paganism (hopefully for the latter there is some mod that makes use of hindu mechanics so you could portray people following the Isis cult, Magna Mater, Mithras, or traditional Gods and ancestor worship), maybe also or instead decide in that in some cases that "paganism" (especially if the area is still religiously diverse by Attila's end) really is some kind of Christian-pagan syncretic relgion and treat it as a heresy of Christianity in CK2. Either way would still allow diplomacy in Europe without having to just ignore the religious situation present in Attila. Though much is gonna happen in 300 years, particularly since it should be remembered that Christianity has a kind of appeal and way of spreading that the pagan religions simply lack. If there is at least one significant Christian realm remaining when Attila is done there would be a very high probability that missionaries and such from this place would have converted many of their neighbors by the time CK2 comes around. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 13:40 on May 12, 2015 |
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There are so many razed provinces, especially in North-Eastern Europe. Edit: Holy crap Italia in Spain.
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# ? May 12, 2015 14:55 |
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Mega-Sassanids make me happy and I hope they continue to blob.
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Randarkman posted:Either way would still allow diplomacy in Europe without having to just ignore the religious situation present in Attila. Though much is gonna happen in 300 years, particularly since it should be remembered that Christianity has a kind of appeal and way of spreading that the pagan religions simply lack. If there is at least one significant Christian realm remaining when Attila is done there would be a very high probability that missionaries and such from this place would have converted many of their neighbors by the time CK2 comes around. Yeah, I think a lot of pagan groups converted to Christianity over the course of the timespan between Attila and CK2. Joining the Latin Church had a lot of political benefits, and the Christians were very active in spreading their faith. Creating some kind of "Celtic Christianity" I think would be pretty cool, with both pagan and Christian elements.
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# ? May 12, 2015 18:35 |
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Chapter 11: Gothia die uno non aedificata est (Summer 424 - Fall 432) Our capture of Burdigala and loss of Rotomagus has made our borders digustingly ugly. Fixing this is a top priority! Just look at that, ffs. The Western Roman Separatists apparently have a solution to that problem, which probably involves just taking Burdigala from us. They attempt to attack us from the southeast, but King Vithericus' army is nearby and intercepts the Romans before they can attack our city. A river separates our army from the Roman army, and it's not all that clear which ford will be the one that we end up crossing. We set ourselves up to rush across the southeastern ford, while our enemy foolishly decided to split its forces evenly between the two river crossings. Happily, this means we're only fighting half of the enemy's army at a time. Marching off to battle Our army in this fight is King Vithericus' own Gothic Legion, so our army fields a great number of Roman Legio units. The Western Roman Separatists, by contrast, have employed some mercenaries from beyond the Rhine in their army. This leads to the bizarre situation of Gothic Roman legionaries fighting Roman Germanic pikemen. Our Roman troops attack the Romans' German pikes But it also means we have superior troops and more men engaged in the fight, so the southern half of the Roman army folds pretty easily to our forces. With half their army gone, the remnant of the Roman forces is shaken before we make contact with them. Compounding their weakness, they divide their forces again, making it laughably easy to mop up what remains of their army. With the Western Roman Separatists repulsed, we chose to simply rebuild and recuperate for the time being, and watch the world go by. Our first bit of news comes in the spring of 427, when we are informed that the Vandals in Sicily have been outright destroyed. A Roman revolt has overthrown them, establishing a regime led by local rebels, unaffiliated with Italia, the Western Roman Empire or the Separatists. With the nascent Vandalian state destroyed, nearly all of Italy is now all in Roman hands of some sort or another. Rebels control Sicily, and the Western Roman Separatists and Italia control nearly the entire remainder of Italy, with the exception of Quadian-controlled Aquileia. By Spring 428, we have managed to save enough- and haven't been threatened with attack, happily- that we are able to rebuild for once. General Mundus is ordered to march his army to the ruins of Avaricum, and once there is instructed to resettle the area. This costs us a pretty penny and reduces the strength of General Mundus' army, but it's well worth it for two reasons: Firstly, Avaricum is the location of a gold mine, so we should be able to recover the cost of reconstruction fairly quickly. Secondly, it makes our borders far more pretty. Our realm as it now stands, circa AD 428 It's at this point that we notice that we're not the only ones who've been resettling provinces. The British have moved in on Rotomagus while we focused on Avaricum, so now we share a land border with pagan Romano-British who hate us because of our culture, our religion and our power. This is surely the start of a beautiful friendship. Of course, upon resettling Avaricum we essentially start with nothing in the province. All its old buildings are useless rubble, more or less, and its our responsibility to pay for all the rebuilding efforts. The first thing to be done is to rebuild Avaricum's administrative heart, and for that we need to build a torp, what the Saxons would call a thorpe and the West Germanics a dorp or dorf, in the middle of the ruined city. Simply building that is going to take us the rest of the year! While we wait for construction of the torp to be completed, we're informed that the Garamantians have been destroyed by the Roman revolter-state of Africa. This is shocking news, as we'd been led to believe that the Garamantians were an immensely wealthy and powerful people. While the cause of the Garamantine defeat is confounding, at least the reason for the African attack on their lands is understandable enough- we'd also been told that Garamantine lands were lush and bountiful, and their capital, Gamara, was home to a vast multitude of people. Obviously anyone would want such rich lands! Or, it turns out, maybe Garamantia really wasn't that rich and fertile. Perhaps the people who told us of Garamantine power were slightly confused? Come the winter of 429, work on the torp has completed, and we're able to work on the next stretch of ruins in Avaricum. We opt to simply demolish these ruins, as we have two main priorities for the town at this point and two points in town where we could plop specialized buildings. We know we want that precious gold, so one of the ruin locations is going to be the location of a gold mine. There's also a matter of food- while our realm overall has a food surplus, Aquitania is producing very little to eat, and we don't want a local famine on our hands, so the other Roman ruins in Avaricum are going to be cleared away for some farmland. We clear away one set of ruins We begin the construction of farmland due to food shortage concerns, and order the demolition of the other ruins in town Gold mines completed! Yesss. During this time, we're notified of one other major development on the world stage- similar to the fate of the Vandals, a revolt has erupted in Jute-held Londinium, leaving the Jutes with only a single settlement back in their own Jute-land. This leaves Britain solely in the hands of Romans, with Roman rebels holding Londinium and the Romano-British realm in control of nearly everything in the British Isles except for Londinium itself. This is looking like it's shaking up to be a very Roman world, despite the collapse of the Western and Eastern empires themselves. The Romano-British revival is compounded a year later, when we receive word of a special peace treaty... The Britons and Saxons are now friends. This Roman upswing seems to upset some of our Germanic neighbors. The Franks, who are now settled in Narbo, convert from their paganism to Latin Christianity, presumably as a means of befriending the Western Roman Separatists to their east and Western Roman Empire proper to their southwest. Others, who do not change with the times, appear to be suffering immensely. Like the Vandals and Jutes, the destructors of the Langobards appear to be local Roman rebels, who managed to kill the Langobard king and seize their capital, destroying the kingdom's internal structure and causing their demise. Their destruction is an opportunity for us to expand deeper in Belgica, however, and we take the opportunity to besiege ex-Langobard Durocortorum ourselves. It is a tumultuous time. Upstart Germanic kings are being overthrown, but the old Roman Empire isn't reviving. Instead, local Roman magnates are seizing control of provinces and establishing little Roman realms- call them Romaniolas, maybe- across the remains of Europe. We're going to have work hard to keep our land of Goths, our Gothia, alive in this tumultuous world! The world as we know it, circa Autumn 432.
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Ofaloaf posted:While we wait for construction of the torp to be completed, we're informed that the Garamantians have been destroyed by the Roman revolter-state of Africa. This is shocking news, as we'd been led to believe that the Garamantians were an immensely wealthy and powerful people. While the cause of the Garamantine defeat is confounding, at least the reason for the African attack on their lands is understandable enough- we'd also been told that Garamantine lands were lush and bountiful, and their capital, Gamara, was home to a vast multitude of people. Obviously anyone would want such rich lands!
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So much for Germany. And it looks like the Kingdom of Frisia, should it remain for the rest of the playthrough, could start CK2 independent! Mr.Morgenstern fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 19, 2015 |
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Ofaloaf posted:
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edit:n/m
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# ? May 19, 2015 01:36 |
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All these scattered Roman polities are weird and kinda dumb but maybe by CK2 if they survive there'll be a confederation of Roman city-states?
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GunnerJ posted:All these scattered Roman polities are weird and kinda dumb but maybe by CK2 if they survive there'll be a confederation of Roman city-states?
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# ? May 19, 2015 02:03 |
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Considering how much razing is going on one can but hope we'll have either super-poor central Europe or even Tribal Europe as opposed to the settled parts of Spain, Britain and Italy.
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# ? May 19, 2015 04:12 |
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Oh god, there's so many Romes around that historians are rapidly losing count. And I thought the byzantine LP was bad enough! Edit: Also, the Sassanids have smashed the ERE and own Arabia. They're getting really scary.
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# ? May 19, 2015 05:01 |
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Also, did the Franks fall to separatists after converting?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Also, did the Franks fall to separatists after converting? No, they still have a province just south of Aquitaine if you look closely. They must be destroyed.
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# ? May 19, 2015 05:30 |
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Should've settled in Aquitaine and expanded into Tarraconensis in Visigoth style. As is we kind of fall almost perfectly along Frankish borders.
Raserys fucked around with this message at 08:04 on May 19, 2015 |
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I hope this doesn't mean we will turn french.
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# ? May 19, 2015 08:35 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Also, did the Franks fall to separatists after converting? Raserys posted:Should've settled in Aquitaine and expanded into Tarraconensis in Visigoth style. As is we kind of fall almost perfectly along Frankish borders.
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Rubix Squid posted:I hope this doesn't mean we will turn french. I hope we do turn French.
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# ? May 19, 2015 11:13 |
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YF-23 posted:I hope we do turn French. Hell we have already started a centuries long conflict with the British.
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# ? May 19, 2015 11:17 |
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Heh, you brought Gothic architecture to France about 700 years early. I guess you can just leave Romanesque to the Romans now.
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# ? May 19, 2015 11:59 |
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Personally my biggest quip is with Britain itself. I mean, how Roman was the isles during this time anyhow? I'd love for the Brythonic - not to mention Celtic and Pictish - citizen of Roman Brittania to rise up against these upstarts and show them who's boss. That and I think we need way less Romes roaming around. Four is bad enough, we don't need a fifth pseudo-Rome in the isles.
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Luhood posted:Personally my biggest quip is with Britain itself. I mean, how Roman was the isles during this time anyhow? I'd love for the Brythonic - not to mention Celtic and Pictish - citizen of Roman Brittania to rise up against these upstarts and show them who's boss. If Britain remains how it is I'd expect its Roman administrators to Celtify after two or three generations, probably maintaining Roman titles and using their Roman legacy as a source of legitimacy. But given how many British Celts they would have involved in their internal politics the Romano-British would probably end up bi-lingual real quick and at that point Roman might as well be just a formal language of government and diplomacy.
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# ? May 19, 2015 18:07 |
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I dunno, with the Jutes gone and the Saxons friendly, all of Southeast Britain is a tight Roman core. The celtifying thing happened in Wales and Cornwall, on the farthest possible fringes of roman influence, after all the major areas were eaten up by Saxons. Here though, at least in Brittania itself, Romans are definitely in charge. How they handle the Picts and Irish, I have no earthly idea. You know what I'm excited for now? African Romance Raserys fucked around with this message at 18:28 on May 19, 2015 |
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Raserys posted:I dunno, with the Jutes gone and the Saxons friendly, all of Southeast Britain is a tight Roman core. The celtifying thing happened in Wales and Cornwall, on the farthest possible fringes of roman influence, after all the major areas were eaten up by Saxons. Here though, at least in Brittania itself, Romans are definitely in charge. Which raises the question of how much of the Romano-British population is "natively" Roman. In lack of a large-scale migration as happened with the Anglo-Saxons I would definitely see the Celts playing a much larger role as a dominant demographic in the Romano-British realm.
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YF-23 posted:If Britain remains how it is I'd expect its Roman administrators to Celtify after two or three generations, probably maintaining Roman titles and using their Roman legacy as a source of legitimacy. But given how many British Celts they would have involved in their internal politics the Romano-British would probably end up bi-lingual real quick and at that point Roman might as well be just a formal language of government and diplomacy. Deceitful Penguin posted:Considering how much razing is going on one can but hope we'll have either super-poor central Europe or even Tribal Europe as opposed to the settled parts of Spain, Britain and Italy.
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# ? May 19, 2015 20:07 |
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Remember, Britain's Greco-Roman pagan right now, not Celtic pagan, so that's not really a pull to de-Romanization right there.
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# ? May 19, 2015 20:41 |
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Ofaloaf posted:Remember, Britain's Greco-Roman pagan right now, not Celtic pagan, so that's not really a pull to de-Romanization right there. The Viking Age in this timeline is going to be amazing.
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Ofaloaf posted:Remember, Britain's Greco-Roman pagan right now, not Celtic pagan, so that's not really a pull to de-Romanization right there. I highly doubt Éire would be completely Greco-Roman by this point. There's bound to still be some Celtic influence in the Isles.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I highly doubt Éire would be completely Greco-Roman by this point. There's bound to still be some Celtic influence in the Isles. Plus, southeast Britain, where the British capital and the biggest cities are, is plurality Greco-Roman, and its second largest religious group is Germanic paganism. Probably because the Latin Christian WRE diminished Celtic paganism early on in the game, and the Jutes probably built a temple or something in London that fostered Germanic paganism at the expense of Celtic paganism. There's a very drastic difference between the British 'core' and the rest of its territories. Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 21:05 on May 19, 2015 |
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Ofaloaf posted:Remember, Britain's Greco-Roman pagan right now, not Celtic pagan, so that's not really a pull to de-Romanization right there.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:A Christian Romano-Britain would have a major leg up though in terms of maintaining Roman culture and language, as the Church would be there to connect them with other post-Roman remnants through the use of Latin.
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# ? May 19, 2015 21:47 |
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Oooh I hope we get a lasting Romano-Maghreb.
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Rejected Fate posted:Oooh I hope we get a lasting Romano-Maghreb. That depends on how bad they get curbstomped by the Muslims.
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We need less romes.
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