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Oooh I hope we get a lasting Romano-Maghreb.
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May 19, 2015 21:51
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What hope is there that with a possible strong Zoroastrian empire remaining that they'll get some converts in that region of the world? Possible Manichaenism might also be stronger.
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May 21, 2015 01:41
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:I think someone mentioned that Zoroastrians aren't big on proselytizing, so it won't be a big Zoro blob. I can imagine powerful Zoro states in Persia and the 'stans, but more Nestorians and Miaphysites in the western part of the Persian empire. Maybe we'll have some Manichean Steppe Nomads. Manichean Mongols. I would imagine some small realms might convert in the hopes that it would please the mega-blob. Presuming Sassanids stay united.
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May 21, 2015 03:29
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Patter Song posted:While we're on this topic, it's worth pointing out that we could well be looking at a Sassanid Persia that is majority Christian under Zoroastrian rule, given how standoffish and caste-y the Zoroastrians were. I think there's a good chance that we could end up with a Persia that is something like 55% Christians of various stripes, 30% Zoroastrian, 10% Jewish (Sassanian Persia had a huge population of Jews), and 5% Manichean/Other or so going into CK2, under an uncomfortably precarious Zoroastrian rule. The figures get even worse if you posit a successful Mazdakite breakoff fracturing Zoroastrianism. Are we? I was under the impression that during this point of time Iran proper was almost entirely zoroastrian. Or are we talking about the territories outside of Iran that the Sassanids own? But despite that I was also under the impression that the population density of Iran proper in this time period was quite high. I would imagine that, despite not being a proselytizing religion, you're going to get conversions under centuries of solid rule if they keep going strong so it might put things more into their favour. Certainly a very strong Christian presence, yes, but perhaps more along the lines of a plurality.
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May 24, 2015 20:46
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Patter Song posted:There was a pretty large Jewish and Christian presence in the Sassanid Empire anyway (certainly greater than 25% put together), and with them taking over heavily populated areas like Antioch (third-largest city in the Roman Empire) and the parts of Anatolia they've grabbed it's probably enough to put them over, especially if the Sassanids take Egypt, which would definitely put Zoroastrians in the minority. Huh, that does make me feel like perhaps mainline Zoroastrianism might drift closer to Mazdaism practices in an effort to maintain the commoner Iranian populace by having some tenants appealing to them. I would also imagine Gnostic Christianity would be the most appealing to previously Zoroastrian Iranians. Rejected Fate fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 24, 2015 |
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May 24, 2015 22:00
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I still think we're being a little too harsh on Zoroastrianism's staying power as a religion - it's at the very least organised enough to attempt to fight back against conversion. I still feel like Iran proper will have a majority of Zoroastrians, albeit perhaps with some changes in their tenants. The rest of the empire to the west, which is quite considerable at this point, does seem ripe for Christianity and Judaism, the bits which aren't already.
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May 25, 2015 16:47
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Merdifex posted:Outside of blobbing, what is there? Ah, but it is the envy of the blob that is true paradise. It is better to be the morsel looking on at the blob, than the blob looking outwards. Although there is also maintaining pretty borders. But in general you want at least one nice fighting partner or paradox games become boring as gently caress. But the transition time should mean we have some nice people to fight. Britain, notably, looks like a good candidate for a nemesis.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:22
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Man I wish we could have a better idea of how religions are doing rather than if a province has two competing faiths. And I think this is the first time I noticed this, but the WRE separatists are pagan? That's... a big deal.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:19
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Ofaloaf posted:I mean, if it was really necessary I could go through all the provs tonight and take screenshots, but then I'd probably start crying, and tomorrow I'm going on a trip and won't be near a computer capable of running Attila until Saturday or Sunday. I didn't mean it as a suggestion, I realise that would be ridiculous. Ah, I forgot Italia existed when I looked at the religious map. Well it'd be cool to have a CK2 start date province with Hellenism.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:30
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 The Scourge of God's legacy is a revered one - it inspires awe and envy. The future of the region will find people vie for the reputation as his successor like many in the west attempt to claim the title of Rome.
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Jun 9, 2015 21:57
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 I like the idea of Romania in Italy, let's go with that.
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Jun 11, 2015 21:23
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 A Trinity of Romes.
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Jun 12, 2015 20:38
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A sort of-ish indication of naval supremacy could be, if they have an island capital, good fortifications on it. Not a very good implication but it might be nice.
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Jun 13, 2015 18:33
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A diversity of faiths yet still allows for another strong presence in the Mediterranean. Rome can't have all the fun!
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Jun 13, 2015 21:43
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Man votes are pretty close. I'm guessing we'll get Byzlam and Blue since they're not incompatible? I just want a lovely Zoroastrian Persia.
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Jun 14, 2015 01:39
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Ibadi sounds like the best solution, although Blue is currently winning. But, if Byzlam were to exist, following an Ibadi faith - it can be interpreted as one that would work more cohesively with a large non-Islamic population, less centred on Arabic as an ethnicity and can reject the rights of a Caliph as a spiritual leader. Perhaps, potentially going into Too Many Romes territory, you could make Byzlam's home in the Anatolian areas where the Empire was lost. Personally I'd prefer just Blue.
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Jun 14, 2015 21:43
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Sounds interesting, although Orange is cool too. Rejected Fate fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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Jun 15, 2015 01:07
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With the addition of  Greeks in Crimea Some of the displaced greeks from the bulgars did not flee south, but instead sailed to a Crimean colony established in the past century. This influx of population and a declining empire saw the local administrators become quite powerful and able to claim an independent state. This state saw itself focusing on the wealth its location in the black sea could provide and eventually ruled by the merchant class. Crimea will have a merchant republic with its de jure boundaries with either greek or Byzantine-belonging culture
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Jun 16, 2015 01:25
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What do you call a Grecoslav/Slavicgreek?
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Jun 17, 2015 01:37
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Ofaloaf posted:A Roman, what else? Pfffft, what kind of Romans wouldn't have Rome? That's silly.
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Jun 17, 2015 01:41
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There's still one vote to go, isn't there? Perhaps that will be an opportunity for a merchant republic.
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Jun 17, 2015 14:09
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A Crusader's Eire  Bringing Orthodoxy to the Isles.
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Jun 23, 2015 02:53
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This is looking to be a really fun set-up to play through. De jure kingdoms set up is also different?
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Jul 3, 2015 00:29
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Merdifex posted:
Well this universe's Sassanids faced a far lesser amount of threats than ours. Instead of multiple bloody civil-wars, war with the ERE as well as pressure from the north AND THEN an Arab invasion they faced multiple local insurrections (likely a lot less bloody and costly than the civil wars) and presumable pressure from the north still occasionally (although maybe less in this timeline due to turkic migration west). Due to having a lot more of their manpower still available and most of their military intact, when the Arabs came and fought they were only able to push them back to Baghdad. This is a universe where the Sassanids were able to hold onto their power far more effectively. I don't see why it's hard to imagine them keeping Persia proper.
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Jul 11, 2015 11:58
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I would like to petition our liege for a better coat of arms  Unless of course that isn't possible
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Aug 10, 2015 03:04
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Ofaloaf posted:Change the kingdom's coat of arms? But it's traditional! I meant his family's coat of arms. A dynasty that leads the Goths should have something with fire in it!
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Aug 10, 2015 04:00
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Bah, a minor set-back. Succession laws can be changed! And maybe they will have a son before then anyway. More concerning is the future of our faith. Our MA is going to struggle forever. So much heresy. So much.
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Aug 11, 2015 04:47
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Ofaloaf posted:Yeah, there's one set of pentarchal sites and one set only, so I couldn't create a special pentarchy just for Arianism. Oh cool, where abouts are they? I'm guessing one in Gothia and one in Britain? Edit: Ah I see it in the religious map. Well that's much better. Just gotta go beat up one of the Romes at some point.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:06
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The Holy Realm of the Immortals is the best thing ever and they are now my favourite realm. I hope they go on to carving a sizeable realm by themselves. Servants of Angra Mainyu beware!
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Aug 14, 2015 01:17
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Now THAT was a war. I'm sure future Goths will be making adaptations. Child kings are either a blessing or a curse. If they survive their infancy, those extra years on the throne really do help with prestige and vassal relations.
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Aug 18, 2015 20:32
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This makes me curious, any chance we could get a screenshot of the religion stats at the moment? Wondering what the MA of the different branches of Christianity are at the moment.
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Aug 30, 2015 03:00
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Welp, better prepare for a Zoroastrian Levantine.
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Aug 30, 2015 19:45
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willing to settle posted:I wonder about a Zoroastrianism going forward. Wasn't it a fairly elite focused religion? And I wonder how much Muslim peasants and whatnot would actually be really interested in converting to this very Iranian faith. I imagine there would have to be significant reform pressure in the Zoroastrian world (and indeed there were people that did try to reform it in history) to make it more populist. I would think that one alteration that could be made to Zoroastrianism is more contention on the certainty of good's victory during the final judgement - and due to this uncertainty a focus on proselytizing could be born. You want more virtuous souls to ensure that good is victorious. It seems to me a reasonable theological change in Zoroastrianism to account for their success in other populaces as well as slightly less focus on Iran and Iranian culture in general. Of course Iranian culture is always going to be highly significant for the religion.
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Sep 5, 2015 00:12
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Ofaloaf posted:
What is that big darkish-grey blob atop the Sassanids?
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Sep 11, 2015 18:25
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Zoroastrian Africa is the future Also what culture/religion are Cherson? They seem to be doing well.
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Sep 26, 2015 21:03
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That is a powerful celtic Britain we have on our hands there. Guess we'll have to redouble our efforts for their salvation
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Oct 4, 2015 18:42
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I quite like Uib's green horse. I hope if they stay in power (as a consolation prize for if they are not liberated by the faith, of course) it can be a British symbol.
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Oct 4, 2015 19:44
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....So trade is going to be more interesting now.
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Ohhhh, looks like Islam took a bit out of the Persians.... that lil' stalemate appears to be blowing in a different direction now.
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