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bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Quick rules question: I have the Defensas Sociales, which causes a regime change when 'first played'. If the card were to come back to my hand (say, if the thing it was extorting got nationalized somehow), would it cause another regime change when it comes back out?

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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


bobvonunheil posted:

Quick rules question: I have the Defensas Sociales, which causes a regime change when 'first played'. If the card were to come back to my hand (say, if the thing it was extorting got nationalized somehow), would it cause another regime change when it comes back out?

There are very few cases (Zapata?) when a card goes to your hand. For example, if the enterprise you are extorting is nationalised you can either discard the troop or turn your Hacendado to his white side (if he has one), pay the deployment cost and assign them as his personal army. Because Mr. Carranza doesn't have a White (Command) side, you'd be forced to discard them.

But in case it ever goes to your hand, yeah. Next time you play it it causes the regime change again.

Or at least that's how I understand it. Rulebook

This is as good moment as any to say that, unless someone has strong feelings about it, we're not using optional rules (f.e. the rule that states that units defeated by other units of the same colour can be retreated instead of disbanded.)

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Fat Samurai posted:

There are very few cases when a card goes to your hand. For example, if the enterprise you are extorting is nationalised you can either discard the troop or turn your Hacendado to his white side (if he has one), pay the deployment cost and assign them as his personal army. Because Mr. Carranza doesn't have a White (Command) side, you'd be forced to discard them.

But in case it ever goes to your hand, yeah. Next time you play it it causes the regime change again.

Or at least that's how I understand it. Rulebook

This is as good moment as any to say that, unless someone has strong feelings about it, we're not using optional rules (f.e. the rule that states that units defeated by other units of the same colour can be retreated instead of disbanded.)

Oh, you discard it! For some reason I thought it went back to your hand. I think I need another quick read over the rule book.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Make sure to read the Glossary, too. A lot of the rules are there.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.

Going to spend all my moneys this turn.

Buying the San Germán Tannery for 2, the playing it for the remaining 5. Only generals dressed in leather become great generals.

Third action is spent getting to know whoever is supplying that mercenary artillery for 0 gold. Got a feeling things might start to heat up.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


nimby posted:

Going to spend all my moneys this turn.

Buying the San Germán Tannery for 2, the playing it for the remaining 5. Only generals dressed in leather become great generals.

Third action is spent getting to know whoever is supplying that mercenary artillery for 0 gold. Got a feeling things might start to heat up.

3 actions are needed to buy 2 cards from the market in the same turn

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.

I don't know why I can't remember that quite important fact. Going to speculate on American Smelting then.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Second round, bobvonunheil's Turn

Last Headline Discarded: None

While other players in the political scene contacted less than respectable members of society, General Reyes travelled to Sonora in order to meet Adolfo de la Huerta, manager of San German Tannery. This man had enough political clout to propel Reyes' campaign against Porfirio's re-election, and enough money to finance it.

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 7
Hand:

Underground Press

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 3
Gold: 12
Hand:

Twin Buttes Mine
Emiliano Zapata
Train Robbers

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 4
Hand:

Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 2

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 2
Gold: 9
Hand:

Cientificos
Defensas Sociales


Action Queue

bobvonunheil, you have 3 actions

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


I'll take Mormon Lumber for free and Hacienda Santa Gertrudes for 1 gold Lewis and Company for free using Cientificos, then play Lewis and Company.

Let's get industrial!

bobvonunheil fucked around with this message at May 5, 2015 around 06:41

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


nm

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


nm

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007





I know what I'm doing this time

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


One of us does, then

Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at May 5, 2015 around 06:51

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Third round, Tevery Best's Turn

Last Headline Discarded: None

Carranza's latest contacts with Porfirio's advisers, specially the 'Cientificos', seemed to bear fruit, as he quickly gained control of several economic interests in Sonora. Chief amongst them were several silver mines in the Alamos region, that had been producing ore since the Spanish colonization.

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 7
Hand:

Underground Press

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 3
Gold: 12
Hand:

Twin Buttes Mine
Emiliano Zapata
Train Robbers

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 4
Hand:

Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 2

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 4
Gold: 5
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2

Action Queue

Tevery Best, you have 3 actions

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Poland can, like, totally into space!


Pick up Hacienda Santa Gertrudis and Senator Albert Hall (for half price).

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Third round, Tekopo's Turn

Last Headline Discarded: None

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 5
Hand:

Underground Press
Hacienda Santa Gertrudis
Senator Albert Fall

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 3
Gold: 12
Hand:

Twin Buttes Mine
Emiliano Zapata
Train Robbers

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 4
Hand:

Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 2

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 4
Gold: 5
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2

Action Queue

Tekopo, you have 3 actions

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Play Train Robbers on Lewis & Company Mine, Play Twin Buttes Mine, get Federal Reserve Created for no event.

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Tekopo posted:

Play Train Robbers on Lewis & Company Mine, Play Twin Buttes Mine, get Federal Reserve Created for no event.

That silver belongs to Mexico, fiend!

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


How dare you imply that train robbers are under my employ!

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Tekopo posted:

How dare you imply that train robbers are under my employ!

The Mexican press may not see through your ruse, but I assure you I have earned the sympathy of our friends across the border

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


bobvonunheil posted:

The Mexican press may not see through your ruse, but I assure you I have earned the sympathy of our friends across the border

In the news!

A heavy blow was dealt to the budding enterprise Lewis&Company Mine, when the Black Jack gang broke into the facilities and stole the payment chest, killing two guards and wounding three others during the daring raid. Miners have rioted and the mine has stopped production.

American investors, spearheaded by local politician Venustiano Carranza, are demanding reparations and increased security at both sides of the border in order to guarantee the continued operation of the mine. Some of the shareholders are going as far as accusing other businessmen of financing the robbers in order to eliminate competitors from the market.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Third round, nimby's Turn

A heavy blow was dealt to the budding enterprise Lewis&Company Mine, when the Black Jack gang broke into the facilities and stole the payment chest, killing two guards and wounding three others during the daring raid. Miners have rioted and the mine has stopped production.

American investors, spearheaded by local politician Venustiano Carranza, are demanding reparations and increased security at both sides of the border in order to guarantee the continued operation of the mine. Some of the shareholders are going as far as accusing other businessmen of financing the robbers in order to eliminate competitors from the market.

In other, completely unrelated news, the Twin Buttes Mine has begun operations, and the US Congress has refused to abandon the Gold Standard. It seems that for some miners the future is still golden.


Last Headline Discarded: Bull

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 5
Hand:

Underground Press
Hacienda Santa Gertrudis
Senator Albert Fall

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 5
Gold: 9
Hand:

Emiliano Zapata

Tableau

Twin Buttes Mine

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 4
Hand:

Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 2

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 2
Gold: 1
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2 Unrest 1

Prestige

Safe Outrage 1:Train Robbers

Action Queue

nimby, you have 3 actions

Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at May 6, 2015 around 23:10

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


bobvonunheil's income should be 2

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.

*edit*
I'm stupid so many errors that I only think of 10 minutes after posting.

Buying the Krupp railway gun, buying land for my tannery.

There, that should work.

nimby fucked around with this message at May 7, 2015 around 04:15

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Tekopo posted:

bobvonunheil's income should be 2

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Tekopo posted:

bobvonunheil's income should be 2

Counting is hard, OK? And this game is fiddly as heck

Is the picture/text clear enough? Any more information you'd like to see?

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Fat Samurai posted:

Counting is hard, OK? And this game is fiddly as heck

Is the picture/text clear enough? Any more information you'd like to see?

All looks good to me, I am pretty satisfied with the screenshots you're providing.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Third round, bobvonunheil's Turn

Last Headline Discarded: Bull

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 5
Hand:

Underground Press
Hacienda Santa Gertrudis
Senator Albert Fall

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 5
Gold: 9
Hand:

Emiliano Zapata

Tableau

Twin Buttes Mine

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 5
Gold: 6
Hand:

Krupp Railway Gun
Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 3

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 2
Gold: 1
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2 Unrest 1

Prestige

Safe Outrage 1:Train Robbers

Action Queue

bobvonunheil, you have 3 actions



I've re-checked everything, but run your numbers, please.

Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at May 8, 2015 around 08:19

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


I'll take the CNA black card for free and Mercenary ArtilleryChiricahua Apache for free thanks!

bobvonunheil fucked around with this message at May 8, 2015 around 12:29

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Ok, I'm an idiot so this and this look pretty much the same to me. The second one is the one that should be in the graphic. It's the same card, so no big deal.

bobvonunheil, I want to make sure that you know that unrest discs don't disappear on their own and that you'll get no income from the Lewis Company Mine until it's unrest-free.

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Fat Samurai posted:

Ok, I'm an idiot so this and this look pretty much the same to me. The second one is the one that should be in the graphic. It's the same card, so no big deal.

bobvonunheil, I want to make sure that you know that unrest discs don't disappear on their own and that you'll get no income from the Lewis Company Mine until it's unrest-free.

Yep, I don't quite have enough money to do anything about it right now unfortunately, and I'd rather not sell any cards.

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


[edit] Nevermind, not changing anything

bobvonunheil fucked around with this message at May 8, 2015 around 12:06

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


I will accept modifications up to the point where I start processing the turn. I love to see players squirming

To answer your question, if a card has a flag somewhere on it, you can only play it in the corresponding region, except in special cases (US Intervention and Anarchy come to mind)

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007


Fat Samurai posted:

I will accept modifications up to the point where I start processing the turn. I love to see players squirming

To answer your question, if a card has a flag somewhere on it, you can only play it in the corresponding region, except in special cases (US Intervention and Anarchy come to mind)

OK, I'll change to Chiricahua Apaches and National Wasteland Reclamation (instead of Mercenary Artillery and National Wasteland Reclamation)

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.

Fat Samurai posted:

To answer your question, if a card has a flag somewhere on it, you can only play it in the corresponding region.

Not being able to continuously see this is tripping me up most of all, now that I remember taking 2 cards costs 3 actions. That and the different deployment costs.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


I wanted to do a turn today but the weekend happened. Tomorrow is a lazy day, I'll try to speed up a little.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Weekend happened a bit more. Onwards!

Fourth round, Tevery Best's Turn

Last Headline Discarded: Bull

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 5
Hand:

Underground Press
Hacienda Santa Gertrudis
Senator Albert Fall

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 5
Gold: 9
Hand:

Emiliano Zapata

Tableau

Twin Buttes Mine

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 5
Gold: 6
Hand:

Krupp Railway Gun
Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 3

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 2
Gold: 3
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber
Chiricahua Apache
National Wasteland Reclamation

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2 Unrest 1

Prestige

Safe Outrage 1:Train Robbers

Action Queue

Tevery Best, you have 3 actions

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Poland can, like, totally into space!


Pick up Lucky Tiger Mine, play Hacienda Santa Gertrudis, speculate on Deutsche Suedamerikanische.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Fourth round, Tekopo's Turn

Francisco Madero continues to expand his interest in Chihuahua, this time acquiring a majority share in Hacienda Santa Gertrudis. This Henequen plantation is one of the biggest in the region, employing 80 peones and their families. Madero expects that the growing demand of mooring rope, heavily dependant on Henequen fibres, will increase the profits of the industry, as well as improve the quality of life of the workers in the surrounding area.

Last Headline Discarded: Bull

Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market

Hacendados

Tevery Best
Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 6
Hand:

Underground Press
Senator Albert Fall
Lucky Tiger Mine

Tableau

Palomas Land&Cattle: Income 1
Connection upgraded to Mule (Boss Shepherd)
Special: Immediately Nationalized if extorted.
Hacienda Santa Gertrudis Income 1

Tekopo
Boss Shepherd, American
Special: Start with an additional 3 gold.
Income: 5
Gold: 9
Hand:

Emiliano Zapata

Tableau

Twin Buttes Mine

nimby
Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 5
Gold: 6
Hand:

Krupp Railway Gun
Rio Yaki Dam&Power
Tetabiate Yaquis

Tableau

San Germán Tannery Income 3

bobvonunheil
Venustiano Carranza, Politician
Special: Buy Black Cards from the market for zero gold.
Income: 2
Gold: 3
Hand:

Defensas Sociales
Mormon Lumber
Chiricahua Apache
National Wasteland Reclamation

Tableau

Lewis & Company Mine Income 2 Unrest 1

Prestige

Safe Outrage 1:Train Robbers

Action Queue

Tekopo, you have 3 actions

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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Tevery Best posted:

Deutsche Suedamerikanische.

I got it right on my first try

Also, 3 more cards and we are in Topple territory. Get ready!

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