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Istvun
Apr 20, 2007



Soiled Meat

Gutter Owl posted:

Buy First Instance Court for $0.

Play First Instance Court for $4

Play El Teatro for $5 (thanks, FIC).

Income to 7.

Uh....?

Play Anarchists on my Cananea Cattle Co, spend 18 to buy Teddy Roosevelt and switch the government to US Intervention then spend 2 to topple Outrage?

Mexico is now the 51st state?

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Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


Wait what?

...poo poo.

Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


Wait, how the hell did you get to 21 gold so fast? You were at 9 at the top of the last page, and you've been buying things like the rest of us. I don't understand the math.

EDIT: Nevermind. Missed the sell action somehow. And the fact that you haven't bought anything over $0 for the last three turns.

Gutter Owl fucked around with this message at Jun 8, 2015 around 17:08

Istvun
Apr 20, 2007



Soiled Meat

Gutter Owl posted:

Wait, how the hell did you get to 21 gold so fast? You were at 9 at the top of the last page, and you've been buying things like the rest of us. I don't understand the math.

Basically everything I was buying on the market was in the 0 slot and I sold a card last turn.

e: also I played nothing in that whole page.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Well, that was quick! Game Over, Madero toadies to the USA Government and convinces them that having another state would be a neat idea, don't you know? He is placed as Governor, declared saviour of Mexico and all that jazz. Thank everyone for playing!

...

Ok, let's take it slow. Here's the situation before Istvun's turn:



pre:
Current Regime:

Pax Porfiriana
Mines: 2
Economy: 3
Effect: Put 1 Pretige Cube on each Loyalty Point.
Topple: Diaz Retirement, Loyalty Required.

Public Cards
Cost 18: TeddyRoosevelt OR Public Card: Porfirian Army
Cost 16: Public Card: Catholic Church (Red) OR Public Card: Catholic Church (White)

Market



Hacendados

frankenfreak
Hacendado: Don Luis Terrazas, Cattle Baron
Special: Each 'Buy Land' action in Chihuahua spends 1 action instead of 2.
Income: 4
Gold: 9
Hand:

Banco de Sonora Special: Purchase Enterprises in the Market for 0 gold.
Huerista Navy 
Mexican Supreme Court
Parral Silver District
Krupp Railway Gun

Tableau

Hacienda de Bavicora Income 2

Gutter Owl
hacendado: Bernardo Reyes, General
Special: Buy Troops from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 7
Gold: 8
Hand:

Calvo Doctrine
Touche's Casino
Rancho El Tintero
Cuerpo de ExploradoresRurales

Tableau

First Instance Court
El Teatro de los Heroes

Prestige

Unsafe Loyalty: First Instance Court
Unsafe Loyalty:El Teatro de los Heroes

Istvun
Hacendado: Francisco Madero, Intelectual
Special: Buy Partners from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 3
Gold: 21
Hand:

Anarchist
Arizona Copper Co.
Red Batallions

Tableau

Cananea Cattle & CO Income 2 Extorted by 11th Rurales Corps (Gutter Owl)
Connection Upgraded to Railway (Gutter Owl)

Prestige

Safe Outrage: Cristeros War

StashAugustine
Hacendado: Pascual Orozco, Revolutionary
Special: Buy Orange cards from the market for half (+) cost.
Income: 4
Gold: 4
Hand: 

Tetabiate Yaquis
Tohono O'ohdam
German Naval Intelligence
Carranzistas
Maderista Junta Revolucionaria Chihuahuense

Tableau

San Bernardo Base Income 2
Grupo de Acción

Prestige

Unsafe Rebellion: Grupo de Acción
The only guy with Outrage Prestige (in fact, the only player who had Otrage on his Hacendado) was Istvun. That makes Rosevelt a very valid strategy, because assuming he manages to get him he has a regime change AND enough prestige to equal Diaz. At that point, he only needed more Outrage Prestige than two other players (his Tripartite) to win the game. In the end, he had 4 Outrage with his Hacendado flipped, against 2 from poor Diaz.

Words about the game

This was the weirdest game I've ever seen of Pax. From what I've learnt, Speculation should be used to claim some card you want to buy, not as a way of making money. Most of the cards were bought for 0-1 gold, and for that return you're better buying and selling a card during Pax. frankenfreak last turn was baffling . Earlier turns had 5-6 speculation cubes in the market, and it was amazing to watch.

There was also very few cards played. Normally it's more of a free for all of Orange and Black cards, not only to shut down opponents but also to give them a leg up in a Prestige race. For example, throwing Orange cards at each other would have made Istvun's strategy way harder, and I was surprised to see you guys didn't try to equalize after he played an Outrage card against himself.

I wonder if it would have been better to put the amount of money each player had on the "table", I feel text is too easy to gloss over (see GO not noticing that Istvun was amassing a small fortune)

What do you think? Did you enjoy it? Anything that could have been done better?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.






I definitely feel it would play smoother in real time, with the downtime it was easy to lose track of what's going on. It seems cool and interesting but I'm really not sure how you'd introduce it to people.

Istvun
Apr 20, 2007



Soiled Meat

I think a lot of the reason for this game not having as much of that is because so many troops popped up early. Basically everything was likely to get extorted fast enough that it'd have a good shot of not being worth the cash.

And it was about when I got my hands on the first strikers that I made my plan to win with teddy on the first topple. At least for a while there, not enough outrage was out to stop me anyways if I declared, because I was Very Aware that I had the advantage of being the only hacendado with outrage.

I'd wanted to prioritize picking outrage up early so nobody else could, but because of how expensive teddy was I knew that I couldn't afford to so I just constantly snapped up the orange cards at the bottom of the market.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


Yeah, the game varies a lot depending on which cards appear on the market. There are 200-ish, and while a lot of them are functionally the same, having a dry run of enterprises or troops can shape the game.

StashAugustine posted:

I definitely feel it would play smoother in real time, with the downtime it was easy to lose track of what's going on. It seems cool and interesting but I'm really not sure how you'd introduce it to people.

"It's a much better Munchkin with bearded Mexican men and political coups"

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.






Yeah "Munchkin but with communist Mexican cowboys" is a good elevator pitch but the rules are such a mess of chrome that I don't know how well you could explain it verbally.

e: the clusterfuck that is the card art doesn't help

Gutter Owl
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl


Fat Samurai posted:

I wonder if it would have been better to put the amount of money each player had on the "table", I feel text is too easy to gloss over (see GO not noticing that Istvun was amassing a small fortune)

What do you think? Did you enjoy it? Anything that could have been done better?

I enjoyed it, though the slow format definitely made it easy to lose track of things. Money on the table would have been super helpful, because I mostly relied on the image to plan my turns. Serves me right for tunnel vision.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

Almanya önde!
Bir başka hedef!
Sonsuz şef Löw için zafer!


Fat Samurai posted:

From what I've learnt, Speculation should be used to claim some card you want to buy, not as a way of making money. Most of the cards were bought for 0-1 gold, and for that return you're better buying and selling a card during Pax. frankenfreak last turn was baffling .
Welp, that turn was me rushing to do something. I had five cards and not enough money to play any of them. Buying land wouldn't have helped matters much. So I speculated. I completely forgot that you could sell cards for more money. That would have speeded my game up a bit, I guess.

quote:

What do you think? Did you enjoy it? Anything that could have been done better?
I agree with Gutter Owl that the slow pace of PbP makes it hard keeping everything in mind. Money on the table would probably be nice, although I'm someone who relied more on the text in this game. Adding the cube reserve would probably also be useful.

In the end, I feel like the game didn't last long enough to really enjoy it.

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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


frankenfreak posted:

I agree with Gutter Owl that the slow pace of PbP makes it hard keeping everything in mind. Money on the table would probably be nice, although I'm someone who relied more on the text in this game. Adding the cube reserve would probably also be useful.

Starting the second game was probably a mistake. I could go through a turn in 15 minutes or so, but doing both games meant I was not going to do a second turn in either even if the player posted his move fast. I'm no Stelas

I'll probably give it another shot when game 1 is over, hopefully can go faster.

Anyway, thanks for playing, guys!

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