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Chand0X
Sep 15, 2003


Muppets! Muppets! Muppets! Really looking forward to it.

I had high hopes for Dr. Ken, but that trailer looked awful.

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Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_gnDzYhS8E

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate


Wicked City looks good, hopefully they don't make a blacklist mistake and think anyone cares about the Cops.

I also hope Uncle Buck never sees the air.

suddenlyissoon
Feb 17, 2002

Don't be sad that I am gone.


I'm 34 years old and I do not know how to contain my excitement for The Muppets.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.


DoctorWhat posted:

The only issue with "30 Rock starring the Muppets" is that we already had a Muppet 30 Rock.

It was called 30 Rock.

More 30 Rock is always good.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~


I'm looking forward to the Muppets both because it looks fun and because I've somehow managed to never see the Muppets. I've seen them referenced, but never actually seen more than a few seconds in passing of any of the shows or movies.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

tsob posted:

I'm looking forward to the Muppets both because it looks fun and because I've somehow managed to never see the Muppets. I've seen them referenced, but never actually seen more than a few seconds in passing of any of the shows or movies.

I hope it's successful so that Disney will get off its lazy rear end and release seasons 4 & 5 of The Muppet Show.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?


tsob posted:

I'm looking forward to the Muppets both because it looks fun and because I've somehow managed to never see the Muppets. I've seen them referenced, but never actually seen more than a few seconds in passing of any of the shows or movies.

Watch The Muppet Movie right the gently caress now.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

At the end of 2018, a study was published by London Metropolitan University showing that certain bacteria, normally present only in intestinal tracts or feces, were found on McDonald's self-service screens.




tsob posted:

I'm looking forward to the Muppets both because it looks fun and because I've somehow managed to never see the Muppets. I've seen them referenced, but never actually seen more than a few seconds in passing of any of the shows or movies.

WTF. Dude like that other goon said, go watch The Muppet Movie right now. Then go track down some episodes of The Muppet Show. It's very creative and ahead of its time.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

SOOB UWU?!?!


tsob posted:

I'm looking forward to the Muppets both because it looks fun and because I've somehow managed to never see the Muppets. I've seen them referenced, but never actually seen more than a few seconds in passing of any of the shows or movies.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, get watching!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeEF4RAlNJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njUwJUg1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS5f6_1pOmw - especially good as the dialogue was entirely improvised.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



Valeyard posted:

Greys Anatomy really needs to die already
But that would mean that the basic 20something white girls that make up the entire audience of that zombie of a show will make endless Facebook statuses about how they can't even now that it's gone forever. Although even that audience is starting to turn on Grey's Anatomy, so Shonda Rhimes might as well pull the plug while there are still eyes on it. It's OK, she'll get yet another show from it- she's as vital to ABC now as Seth MacFarlene was to Fox a couple years ago. Might as well call ABC "Lifetime on network TV."

That being said, I will watch the poo poo out of The Muppets.

get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 04:11 on May 14, 2015

Sea Lily
Aug 5, 2007

Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.



Muppets will be great.

Nothing else matters.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:


So goddamn hype for Muppets. I'm afraid this is a dream I'll wake up from.

Trailer thing for Uncle Buck wasn't terrible. It might be okay. I just have a knee-jerk reaction to it not being John Candy. :colbert:

Postal Parcel
Aug 2, 2013


Another Shonda Rhimes show. So is ABC just the Rhimes network now?

Because if so, I love it!


Barry Convex posted:

IIRC, NBC idiotically tried to sell it based on the alternate-timeline angle and not the far more familiar Biblical one.

A bit petty, I know, but Is it just me, or does the "handsome" "jock" older brother in The Real O'Neals look, um, rather miscast?

Granted, I haven't watched the trailer with the sound on yet (work), so maybe this is a plot point of some sort.

He's apparently anorexic(?), but yeah. He makes me think of Adam of Workaholics.

xeria
Jul 26, 2004

Ruh roh...

Postal Parcel posted:

Another Shonda Rhimes show. So is ABC just the Rhimes network now?

Because if so, I love it!

ABC at least only needs one night to be propped up by Shonda programming; pretty sure all her shows just get jammed on Thursdays, including the new one. NBC meanwhile is increasingly beholden to Dick Wolf in the sparse amount of successful scripted programming it has.

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012



Mooseontheloose posted:

My only issue is that I am not sure the Office gimmick should carry the whole show. I want them to be a variety show again but I also know that I can't live in nostalgia.

I think if they split it up, with half the show dedicated to this Office-style presentation and then half being the actual Muppet show they're putting on, it will work, but I'm not sure it's something they can rely on 100%. It seems like it's basically going to be 30 Rock but with Muppets. Or in other words, 30 Rock.

The humor is pretty up to snuff in that trailer but the bear racism gag feels like a really poor thing to focus so much of the trailer on.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past


Sober posted:

There was another Saul/David story?

This one was sort of confusing myself. Maybe I just wasn't familiar with the story at all but none of the promotional material for Of Kings and Prophets or even the logline for the series really said anything beyond vagaries and "it's from the bible, yo".

It was on NBC and titled "Kings". It was a drat shame that NBC didn't pick it up for a second season.Based on the trailer for Kings and Prophets, if they stick to the source material, it seems like this series would see a limited run even if the Network heads never consider it for cancellation.

TV Zombie fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 15, 2015

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009



nerdbot posted:

It seems like it's basically going to be 30 Rock but with Muppets. Or in other words, 30 Rock.

So, in other words, perfect?

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012



myron cope posted:

So, in other words, perfect?

The thing that's weird is that it's a show about the production of a show and the people who make it, except we are already familiar with the show-within-a-show and they have to strike a different balance.

I have faith! And it'll be a good way to make it stand out from the shows its format is inspired by. I guess I'm just voicing some trepidation because I'm always worried they'll gently caress up the Muppets even though there's no reason for me to think they will.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!


Buglord

nerdbot posted:

The thing that's weird is that it's a show about the production of a show and the people who make it, except we are already familiar with the show-within-a-show and they have to strike a different balance.

30 Rock was just fake SNL staring actual people that were actually on actual SNL. We were already familiar with the show 30 rock was making too.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate


WarLocke posted:


Trailer thing for Uncle Buck wasn't terrible. It might be okay. I just have a knee-jerk reaction to it not being John Candy. :colbert:

I'm pretty sure that's how everyone feels, well it's not John Candy so gently caress it.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010




Kings was amazing, I'm still very sad it died.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Jose Oquendo posted:

So this is the second time they tried to get an Uncle Buck TV series going. Weird.

I thought the casting was sort of strange, given the title of the show, as I a while ago I heard the term was a racial slur. This was something I wasn't even aware of for years until hearing something about it in passing a long time ago.

Turns out that after a quick search I saw that there's been at least on article critical of the production based on that.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?


JediTalentAgent posted:

I thought the casting was sort of strange, given the title of the show, as I a while ago I heard the term was a racial slur. This was something I wasn't even aware of for years until hearing something about it in passing a long time ago.

Turns out that after a quick search I saw that there's been at least on article critical of the production based on that.

I too am offended that a slur that hasn't been used in a century is part of the title of the 1989 film on which this show is based.

Baronash fucked around with this message at 09:17 on May 17, 2015

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.





JohnSherman posted:

I too am offended that a slur that hasn't been used in a century is part of the title of the 1989 film on which this show is based.

That doesn't particularly make it pardonable though. While the Uncle Buck thing is unrelated to the racial term, "black buck" has had a far reaching effect that's still felt today. Hell, look no further than modern pornography where the term is, A: still used and B: used to treat black men as an Other (something that's still happening across America in a huge way).

It's unfortunate and won't be changed but it's unintentionally odious.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~


Not something I'm exactly proud of, but I watch a good bit of porn and have never heard the term "black buck" used in any context. Personally I'm just saddened that the guy playing Buck looks quite skinny. It's John Candy's legacy I suppose, but I just expect if they're redoing it they'd at least get someone overweight and chunky to play the guy.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.





tsob posted:

Not something I'm exactly proud of, but I watch a good bit of porn and have never heard the term "black buck" used in any context. Personally I'm just saddened that the guy playing Buck looks quite skinny. It's John Candy's legacy I suppose, but I just expect if they're redoing it they'd at least get someone overweight and chunky to play the guy.

It's more conflated with the term "bull" now but they have the same origin. Porn's one of the last dehumanizing entertainment industry that isn't related to the service industry but that's another topic altogether.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001




Vanderdeath posted:

That doesn't particularly make it pardonable though. While the Uncle Buck thing is unrelated to the racial term, "black buck" has had a far reaching effect that's still felt today. Hell, look no further than modern pornography where the term is, A: still used and B: used to treat black men as an Other (something that's still happening across America in a huge way).

It's unfortunate and won't be changed but it's unintentionally odious.

I'm pretty sure the name recognition of "Uncle Buck" as a movie franchise has more traction among the general populace than the racial term.

If they changed the name because they cast a black actor in the role, they wouldn't be trading on the movie's recognition anymore, it would just be "Comedy Vehicle About Sloppy Uncle Played By Comedian of Color" (Fall 2016) which has a bit less cachet.

The larger question in my opinion, is who was really clamoring for a tv remake of a 25 year old movie? Must be the same people who really want to see Coach back on the air. :iiam:

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006


Why are there so many tv versions of movies all of a sudden?

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


Vanderdeath posted:

That doesn't particularly make it pardonable though. While the Uncle Buck thing is unrelated to the racial term, "black buck" has had a far reaching effect that's still felt today. Hell, look no further than modern pornography where the term is, A: still used and B: used to treat black men as an Other (something that's still happening across America in a huge way).

It's unfortunate and won't be changed but it's unintentionally odious.

are you seriously pretending that an industry that explicitly trades in fetishization and fantasy is at all indicative of cultural trends?

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


like lol of all the examples you could've used about how race relations in america are strained and how the uncle buck name looks super bad because it stars a black dude you went with porn, maybe the one example that isn't valid

didn't go with cops shooting black people all the time, or entrenched racism, no. porn.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Astroman posted:

The larger question in my opinion, is who was really clamoring for a tv remake of a 25 year old movie? Must be the same people who really want to see Coach back on the air. :iiam:

I think mainly because it's something you can market fairly well and has a lot of recognition. Uncle Buck and Coach both feel like they're aiming at the 'grandparent' demographic of people who enjoyed the feel-good family comedies of the 90s.

(edit: Which may be the point, in a way. I'm not sure what the statistics are, but that demographic might be more apt to continue watching traditional TV as opposed to all the online and trying to appeal to them with family show concepts they're familiar with and they feel they can sit and watch with the grandkids could be a plus.)

Really, they need to do a Home Alone series in the vein of 24. 72-96 hours of real-time violence, survival, comedy and heartwarming family reunions.

JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 17, 2015

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames


Mr Beens posted:

Why are there so many tv versions of movies all of a sudden?

If I had to guess, 12 Monkeys was critically well received and got a 2nd season so everyone was like "poo poo we can do that too, let's greenlight every adaptation pilot we have".

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


sticklefifer posted:

If I had to guess, 12 Monkeys was critically well received and got a 2nd season so everyone was like "poo poo we can do that too, let's greenlight every adaptation pilot we have".

you...really have no idea how shows are produced do you

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.





Toxxupation posted:

are you seriously pretending that an industry that explicitly trades in fetishization and fantasy is at all indicative of cultural trends?

If you don't think one of the most consumed forms of media has an effect on the perceptions of people then I'm just gonna assume you're going full Irish Joe.

Astroman posted:

The larger question in my opinion, is who was really clamoring for a tv remake of a 25 year old movie? Must be the same people who really want to see Coach back on the air. :iiam:

Old TV shows coming back and now movies being made into TV shows is a trend I don't understand, mostly because the shows they're making aren't based off of huge hits, with the exception of Minority Report.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


Vanderdeath posted:

If you don't think one of the most consumed forms of media has an effect on the perceptions of people then I'm just gonna assume you're going full Irish Joe.


oh poo poo 30% of women have rape fantasies/consume rape porn! that must mean that 30% of women want to be raped!

-forums user vanderdeath

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


like lol at the concept that people can't distinguish fantasy from reality, especially in such a falsified, fetishized medium as fuckin' porn

jfc

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~


Vanderdeath posted:

If you don't think one of the most consumed forms of media has an effect on the perceptions of people then I'm just gonna assume you're going full Irish Joe.

Do you believe GTA trains people to be murder bots? Because that's essentially the same argument. People can differentiate real life from a simulation and that's all porn is: a and distorted simulation of reality meant to highlight certain aspects but including lots of fantasy and fetishization of real stuff to titillate.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?


Vanderdeath posted:

That doesn't particularly make it pardonable though. While the Uncle Buck thing is unrelated to the racial term, "black buck" has had a far reaching effect that's still felt today. Hell, look no further than modern pornography where the term is, A: still used and B: used to treat black men as an Other (something that's still happening across America in a huge way).

It's unfortunate and won't be changed but it's unintentionally odious.

You're right. The show ought to be renamed.

Uncle Tom has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

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Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.





Toxxupation posted:

oh poo poo 30% of women have rape fantasies/consume rape porn! that must mean that 30% of women want to be raped!

-forums user vanderdeath

Jesus Christ, man.

tsob posted:

Do you believe GTA trains people to be murder bots? Because that's essentially the same argument. People can differentiate real life from a simulation and that's all porn is: a and distorted simulation of reality meant to highlight certain aspects but including lots of fantasy and fetishization of real stuff to titillate.

No, I don't, but there's been plenty of studies about how media and perceptive biases affect the public subconscious. I don't have access to Sage anymore but there was a recent study and article done that coincided with the Michael Brown shooting that goes into detail about the phenomenon. I'm not saying "all poo poo is bad therefore don't consume [x]" like a Concerned Mom, I'm just saying that some prejudices, biases and misconceptions are propagated by differing forms of media and spread throughout the cultural milieu that way.

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