Duggars: "Incest is Best"

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Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

So that one Duggar daughter had a pretty rough time birthing Baby Israel. What was it, 18 hours of labor before they finally decided to throw in the towel and actually go to a goddamn hospital? I can't help but wonder if that would have gone differently if they'd had a qualified midwife in the house.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 17:12

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# ¿ Jul 16, 2025 00:26

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

I'd be surprised if this hasn't come up in the thread before, but it's a long thread and I think this blog post is interesting, given the latest topic of conversation:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/02/carefully-scripted-lives-my-concerns-about-the-duggars.html

It was written a few years ago by a woman who was raised in a similar culture to the Duggars and she points out some of what she's noticed in the show that she finds chilling. Again, she wrote this years before any scandals hit.

A couple of quotes that seem relevant to the discussion of discipline:

Libby Anne posted:

Authoritarian Discipline

Though they have not directly admitted it, there is a lot to indicate that the Duggars follow Michael and Debi Pearl�s discipline methods. This means they require absolute obedience from their children and see even bad attitudes as signs of disobedience. It also means they use corporal punishment. The Pearls suggest that you begin to spank your children at around six months, and they urge parents to spank a disobedient child until that child submits completely. Complete submission to the parent�s will is the hallmark of the Pearls� teachings. Here is a quote:
quote:
If you are just beginning to institute training on an already rebellious child, who runs from discipline and is too incoherent to listen, then use whatever force is necessary to bring him to bay. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. Defeat him totally. Accept no conditions for surrender. No compromise. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. Your word is final. (To Train Up A Child, page 49)
The Duggars have stated that they use blanket training. What they do is place a baby on a blanket and tell the baby not to get off. If the baby crawls off, he or she is spanked on the leg, told �no,� and placed back on the blanket. If you do this for long enough, the baby will learn to stay on the blanket, and then you can safely leave the baby there while you cook lunch or school the older ones. This all seems counter to the nature of a naturally curious baby.

Authoritarian discipline shuts off questions and leaves little room for children to explore. The emphasis on obedience overrides anything else, and as I�ve written before, this can be highly problematic.

It may be worth pointing out at this point that children have died due to the teachings of the Pearls. These monsters' teachings have literally inspired parents to beat their children to death.

Another section from the post:

Libby Anne posted:

Emotional Control

The Duggar children are also taught to carefully control their emotions, and emotions like anger or ingratitude are not acceptable. I�ve often heard people argue in favor of the Duggars by stating that �they look so happy!� Here is an excerpt from blogger Dulce, who was raised on the same teachings as the Duggars, dealing specifically with this issue:
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One of the creepiest things about Gothard and the Pearls is that they teach that happy is the only acceptable emotion. If you do not have a joyful countenance, you are publicly shaming your authorities. In other words, if the kid looks unhappy, it is a personal offense against the parents. Pearl also has nauseating quotes and anecdotes about how any time his kids expressed unhappiness or anger they were hit even harder and longer until they were cheerful. How twisted is that? Children are taught from babyhood to always be cheerful, or else they deserve a spanking. As they grow older, it is not just the fear of a spanking that causes them to keep smiling. It is the sincere belief that they are sinning with ingratitude, rebellion and more if they don�t present a happy face.
As I said earlier that a bad attitude is seen as rebellion, and immediately dealt with. I have no idea whether the Duggar children are happy or not, but I know that if they are unhappy they aren�t allowed to express it, especially for the TV cameras (being a Christian �witness� to the world and all that jazz).

# ¿ Oct 11, 2015 05:06

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Pvt.Scott posted:

They need a few changes of clothes, some baby stuff, cookware, a couple of cots, phone chargers for their electronics/laptops/whatever, a sack full of Bibles and anything else can be acquired on site. They could pare that down further if they tried and had any contacts there to help them find stuff. Or I guess, "lol, let's bring our full-size American fridge, washer/dryer set, TV and gently caress it, all three sofas too," is reasonable if you're retarded.

They wouldn't even need to pack that many clothes. They could maybe help the local economy and buy stuff there. They can even keep up that whole thing where Derrick can wear what he wants while Jill has to dress modestly. Men there tend to dress in modern casual styles while the women wear these beautiful long woven skirts. There are regional differences, too, so if you know what to look for you can tell what part of Guatemala you are in by differences in the women's skirts and blouses.

The people there are lovely. I hate to think of the Duggers going there and acting all holier-than-thou.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2015 03:46

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Grandma's room is where it is by design. The Duggers have been pretty open about the fact that Grandma spends most of her time, in these, her twilight years, doing Duggar laundry. All those kids and infants rack up a lot of filthy clothes. They don't seem to get that there might be something wrong with this arrangement.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2015 03:22

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Ultimate Mango posted:

But really Jim just fucks the kids while wearing a mask of the oldest boy living at home.

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

So it all feels familiar, of course.

Well, except for Josiah, obviously. :gay:

(Also pictured, a nice young lady whom he recently stopped courting due to "God's will.")

# ¿ Oct 25, 2015 23:35

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Toadvine posted:

poor guy, I wonder if he's even told a single person he's gay

I feel pretty bad for him. His older brother joined the God Hates Fags Council and his mom robocalls people to warn them of the homosexuals lurking in bathrooms to rape their babies. Their religious community is very insular, so it's unlikely he knows many people who don't share the exact same prejudices as the rest of his family. If he came out to anybody there's a very good chance he'd be ostracized.

I feel bad for Jinger, too. Out of all the girls, she's the one who really has a spark of independence. There's a reason that website is named after her. She's smart, too. At least, smarter than some of her sisters. When Ben decided to propose to Jessa with this asinine scavenger hunt... well, let's just say that Jessa would still be out there looking for her proposal if Jinger hadn't been there to figure out all the clues for her. (My mom loved that show. I've seen way more of it than I'm happy about.)

Poor Jinger and Josiah have a lot of potential. Unfortunately, 18+ years is a lot of time for a sufficiently hateful family to have if they want to smother potential.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2015 04:11

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Jessa finally had her first kid. It's a boy, but no word on the name yet. Jim Bob

# ¿ Nov 6, 2015 18:01

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

The picture in Walmart was obviously taken before the birth, but Jessa has had the baby. E! news covers it in their usual tongue-bath style.

A MIRACLE posted:

am i crazy or do super devout christian girls always have really long hair

countenance

1 Corinthians 11 posted:

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head�it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

A man ought not to cover his head,since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice�nor do the churches of God.

It may be worth pointing out that while it is generally agreed that the Apostle Paul wrote the book of Corinthians, there is a great deal of speculation that this specific passage as well as a later one about womens' roles in the church may have been inserted by a different author at a later date, mainly because it sharply conflicts with other confirmed writings of his where he's cool with women taking leadership roles in the church and where he isn't continually appealing to religious law (in all his other writings he was very much a fan of God's Grace replacing law). Who would add such horrible things to his writings? I don't know. I can't imagine who in the early church might want women to to take a more subservient role.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2015 00:22

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bOCxhYnE90

# ¿ Nov 7, 2015 16:37

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

All that money and they couldn't get some braces on those kids?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2015 16:22

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

"In Touch posted:

Not only does Josh have to answer to Danica, but he�ll likely be questioned about all of his past sexual misconduct. Nothing will be off-limits � including still-hidden details about cheating on his wife and having a porn addiction, as well as how he molested five underage girls, including four of his own sisters, as a teen.

�The defendant may be subject to [having to talk about] his prior bad [or] sexually abusive acts at trial,� Danica�s attorney Marc Frumer tells In Touch exclusively. �They are all relevant if he takes the stand.�

Looks like somebody's fishing for a hefty out-of-court settlement!

# ¿ Nov 20, 2015 00:49

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Oh, hey! Looks like Josh finally managed to sell his home. I wonder who the new owner is. Josh Duggar? And the 5 bedroom home only went for $65,000? Sounds like he got a deal! This is a totally legit legal transaction, you guys!

(The source is Daily Mail. I don't remember if they're the ones who make everything up. If they are, then take however many salt grains you feel are appropriate.)

# ¿ Nov 25, 2015 17:07

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Life must be rough for the Dillard these days. Dude looks undead.

Edit: Reminder that these two are both in their early 20's.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2016 18:06

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

WhyteRyce posted:

What happened to the bottom of his teeth

People get white plastic braces with white bands so that you can't even barely see that they have braces!

The downside is people can still totally see them but they blend in just enough so that at a glance it looks less like braces and more like unspeakably filthy teeth.

The adult braces were probably part of the marriage pact. Those Duggars love their orthodontia.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2016 02:39

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Woops.

quote:

�Anna announced that she thinks she is pregnant again,� a family insider told Life & Style. �She believes the baby is a sign that God has forgiven Josh for his many sins, and she�s vowed to stand by her husband.�

Of course, the source is "a family insider" and the site is Radar Online, so who the hell even knows.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2016 17:30

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Krispy Kareem posted:

Mountain Dew is super popular in Appalachia. Technically Mama June isn't in Appalachia, but she's close enough.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/09/12/221845853/mountain-dew-mouth-is-destroying-appalachias-teeth

I never heard of giving babies Coca-Cola or sweet tea in a bottle, but I've been asked more than once if I got Coke as a baby. So apparently it's been a thing in my state for a long long time.

It's not just your state. There's a reason Early Childhood Caries is considered a serious public health problem worldwide, in both developed and developing countries alike. Socioeconomic status, education level, and the oral hygiene level of the parent/guardian are much bigger factors than region.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2016 22:23

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Dr. Killjoy posted:

There's a Chick Tract where a dude fucks his young daughter, whores her out to a neighbor, the kid catches gonorrhea that a doctor recognizes and tells him as long as he accepts Jesus into his heart he's all good. No slutshaming the daughter though.

Poor Lisa.

While it doesn't slutshame Lisa, it does blame the mom for not putting out. So there is definitely a theme with fundies when husbands misbehave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=092DUlx2hX0

# ¿ Jul 12, 2016 03:21

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# ¿ Jul 16, 2025 00:26

Julet Esqu: May 6, 2007

Jinger's gonna marry some soccer dude, I guess.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2016 05:29

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