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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010



The Ayshkerbundy posted:

just having a casual convo, not a full blown argument or anything
hey do you still post drawings here in CC? I remember seeing something of yours in one of the threads that was kinda cool and reminiscent of yume nikki. You should post more

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The Ayshkerbundy
Mar 22, 2016

make no bones about it


a hole-y ghost posted:

hey do you still post drawings here in CC? I remember seeing something of yours in one of the threads that was kinda cool and reminiscent of yume nikki. You should post more

aw shucks. I only posted one pic, but maybe I will post more as I make em.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010



FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?
i'm not a Webcomic Artistô but the rain makes me happy until such time that my clothes are soaked enough to make my crotch feel wet.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

from this broken hill all your praises they shall ring

if it be your will to let me sing

FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?
i live in a drought-stricken country so the rain fills me with joy and it sets all the frogs to singing

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007



FunkyAl posted:

here's my question about webcomics: does the rain make you happy or sad? what about the moon?

happy, and yes

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


the rain makes me happy too, but the moon makes me solemn.


this broken hill posted:

i live in a drought-stricken country so the rain fills me with joy and it sets all the frogs to singing

that's marvelous!

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008


The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010



ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.
imo fewer panels are better if you can do it without ending up with confusing scenes.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



The panel number seems fine to me, you can switch to more panels when the setting's established more.

The font could do with being thicker, it looks a little scratchy and overwhelmed at the moment.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!


You can use as many or as few panels as you like. People usually end up upping the panel count because they get frustrated with how much each update is advancing the story.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


ThePlague-Daemon posted:

The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

the art looks very near finished to me! What more would you add.

I think of panels like paragraphs and try to include as much information, through text or dialogue, as a paragraph would. a page's length is a unit that it up to you.

gmc9987
Jul 25, 2007


ThePlague-Daemon posted:

The art's really unfinished, but I was hoping to post something for feedback and I'm a little pressed for time because I'm going out of town overnight.





I managed to make a font I don't hate in Calligraphr, but I think I'm gonna want to have actual bubbles. I don't think the different colors is really cutting it, and one of the color choices is kinda hard to see.

Am I using too few panels per page for a webcomic format? Most of my other page layouts aren't inline like that, but I've been limiting the number of panels to just a few per page, while most webcomics seem to have a lot more. I just want to address it so I get too far along doing these and end up with pacing issues.

I like the artwork, but IMO there's not enough contrast between the text and the background, I have to squint to read the text. There's a couple ways to tackle that, you could try making the font thicker or lightening the color so that there's more contrast between it and the background. One thing I would strongly recommend for readability though is to either alter your artwork or the text placement so that your text is all located on one solid color, rather than crossing over into different color and value fields that are in the background.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I have one small critique of the art, I think you go just a little too intense on the number of folds in the fabric, and the shadows cast by them are all kind of the same size so it makes that area look a little monotonous. I think it works better on the prisonerís clothes since they are tattered rags, but on like the hat guyís jacket you might expect it to crumple less since jackets are usually made of a stiffer material.

I agree with the text stuff but I donít know the right treatment that will still look stylish and fit well with the art.

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008


Thanks for the advice, everyone! I've gone back and made the text a little bolder, and I'm trying giving it a backdrop. The first panel has some terrible tangents going on with that, but I'll just need to fix that up. I'll still want to fix up the art too. At the very least, the text should be a lot more readable and I just need to figure out how to improve things other than that.




I don't know how well it really works as an opening, but eh.

vvvv Yeah I was worried about that.

ThePlague-Daemon fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2018 around 00:58

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!


Is that text spoken dialogue? Because right now it reads as narration.

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

DIE DIE DIETO



So, Project Wonderful is ending, and ads will stop working in early July. That's... kind of how I do 90% of my webcomic advertising, so I'm now in a bit of a panic? Just a small one? A little baby panic?

How do other low key webcomic artists do their marketing? All the advertising services I've looked into required like... not independent regular guy money, they seemed to cater toward companies and the like. Obviously, word of mouth is ideal, but it's hard to snowball word of mouth when you're only pulling 500 -1000 visitors a day to begin with.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



'only' 500-1000 a day...

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009



"Only?" I think I get like 500 per month on an exceptional month and I've been casting pages into the howling void for 7 years.

With that kind of following you could probably actually leverage social media if you aren't already.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


If project wonderful is still effective for advertising why are they shutting down? Don't people still read ads on comic sites themselves instead of going on facebook for them? Or are they using "facebook is killing us!" as an excuse to close up shop.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



It's definitely a question I'm interested in, though - I'm just starting out really, and I have no loving idea how to get people hooked in. My main schtick is that my mini-comics are dirt cheap to produce, so I can leave freebies scattered around the place. Beyond that and the usual 'dear god PLEASE share' messages, what do people do?

Like, there are a bajillion webcomics, how do you even begin to standout and reach the right people?

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

from this broken hill all your praises they shall ring

if it be your will to let me sing

i stand on a street corner and yell

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008


Okay so I haven't had a chance to fix up the art, but how does this rough version look? That first panel bubble is pretty terrible, but how's the readability now?



FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


PW was nice and a neat idea but its scope always felt kinda limited....it always only seemed to advertise other webcomics, like it created a closed loop. reason #3,259 for the demise of webcomics

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

It made sense in 2007

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


Neon Noodle posted:

It made sense in 2007

honestly the model makes sense! The "problem" with it was probably that it lacked Millions In Venture Capital so it couldn't quite reach the scope it needed to....i'm no economist tho

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)


drat I think my highest was getting 500 visitors in a month back when I updated more regularly. I too don't know what to do once PW shuts down. I have to withdraw the measly funds I generated but now I'm going to be relying totally on donations which don't come along much if you're not a regular updator/have a relatively large and dedicated fanbase. I never wanted to do Patreon because I hardly have the time to make the comic let alone the motivation to make the bonus poo poo that nobody really wants.
Oh well at least I sort of have a full time job to fund my art related purchases

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

from this broken hill all your praises they shall ring

if it be your will to let me sing

it's time for a revolution

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I feel the pressure,
under more scrutiny
And what I do,
act more stupidly


ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Okay so I haven't had a chance to fix up the art, but how does this rough version look? That first panel bubble is pretty terrible, but how's the readability now?





Those tails are way too long though. Just point them in the general direction of the speaker's mouth and you should be good.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



sweeperbravo posted:

I never wanted to do Patreon because I hardly have the time to make the comic let alone the motivation to make the bonus poo poo that nobody really wants.

I've been using collages of prep sketches, WIP shots, the stuff that gets made anyway but doesn't usually go in the comic. Add a paragraph of text about your inspiration, and you're good.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Not super sure what thread is best for this question, but it is comic related in a way.
Iíve been going around to zine festivals and selling some comics, and I just added an online store to my website so people can get digital downloads or order prints (not that itíll be seeing all that much traffic anytime soon).

I already had a Wordpress site for my day job and just integrated a store into that with woocommerce, but noticed that most other artists use dedicated ecommerce sites like bigcartel or etsy. Does anyone know if thereís some inherent benefits to using sites like that over building your store off your main site? Do sites like bigcartel make you more visible to new readers? Are there shipping discounts?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!


If I might brag a little, my book just got shortlisted for the Scottish Independent Comic Book Alliance awards....

https://twitter.com/official_sicba/...966934548594688

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Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

Life's just better with Ominous Gloves.


That's awesome! Congrats, and I hope it sells a million copies.

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