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It would be helpful to post exactly what the sort of issues or content you're worried about actually are. Otherwise just use common sense, or barring that just don't give a gently caress because it's comics on the internet. People are assuming it's the titty thing again because you're not being specific enough. Delta Echo posted:What does the Lassie example involve? Do you mean Lassie's death? The episode where Lassie has puppies and one crazy fan overreacted to the "obscenity," from the Rod Serling interview clip he posted.
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Seriously, I'm pro-anime titties and I have no idea what you're getting at Scribblehatch. Not trying to score points on you or anything, I'm just wondering what the topic is supposed to be about. Precensorship usually refers to stuff like tailoring or self-restricting oneself to avoid losing sponsors or, even worse, punishment from politically repressive regimes. Wanting to avoid, say, blowback or a negative reaction from online communities is basically the same impulse at lower stakes, but few people really think about it in terms of "censorship" because the consequences for transgressing are much less severe and the self-preservation urge to censor one's own art or journalism is much, much less pronounced. Sometimes you stumble onto offending actual crazy people like what happened to Rod Serling or, more relevant to the medium, the lady who makes Ava's Demon. More often though you get situations where the initial blowback was more measured/reasonable but the artist's own overreaction to the blowback ignites a firestorm of explosive internet shits. Anybody who can recall any internet drama shitstorms in recent memory can figure out relevant examples. Hell, you've suffered some negative reactions to you posting some of your nws stuff elsewhere in CC. A lot of it not unreasonable, as Troposphere made some salient points about composition, body types, and male gaze in there when she was venting at you in the digital art thread, points reiterated and expanded on by others. If you're asking about pre-censoring yourself to avoid that kind of reaction, well... that's not really "censorship" now is it? That's just the natural effect of stuff like shame, common sense, and honestly a little bit of growing up. And if you decide you're willing and able to handle that sort of reaction, that too is the result of facing shame, making a conscious and conscientious decision about self-expression, and also growing up--if you can react to negative reactions with maturity and a thick skin, because lacking that means you're not really ready to handle the consequences of expressing yourself in that way. When people say "who gives a gently caress, do what you want to do," this is basically what they mean. Don't throw a tantrum because you offended somebody and don't be a dick to the person you offended, just realize you can't please everyone, be able to compartmentalize yourself apart from your work or even your hobby so that you avoid taking criticisms personally (even when the critic intends for you to take it personally, in which point at least try to see where they're coming from and why you're getting such a strong reaction), and maybe even approach your art with an understanding of humility. Also, it helps to keep a level head about stuff like context, both in your work and outside of it. I mean, for a decent stretch the digital art thread was basically cheesecake pics because other artists got uncomfortable posting their work there. To play even further afield since I actually don't know what this topic is supposed to be about, nobody's really that worried about whether or not Simpsons Did It. I mean you have tons of copycats of popular stuff all over the place in all industries. For webcomics and web media, Homestuck was supremely unique and iconoclastic up until the point when a bunch of people started copying it. And honestly people are willing to give copycats a shot, too. gently caress's sake there's goons who read and enjoy Prequel, of all things. Ugh, Prequel. I digress. Just do whatever the gently caress you think is right by you, whether that means moderating your own voice or just going whole hog. You've got a right to express yourself, just don't get all defensive if other people express themselves about your work and their opinion is negative. Seriously, the one other poster here who has a history of ~forums drama~ with you literally just told you to do whatever the gently caress you want, in this very thread. That post was also poking fun at you and oozing with sarcasm, but even at face value it's true. Nobody can stop you but you, and whether or not you're willing to make the sort of decisions (compromises or convictions) that whatever your unspoken and unposted inner questions ask of you is, ultimately, up to you.
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In other words nobody really cares but you, so you have to decide what it is you want to do.
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Oh is that all? Well take what I and other people posted, excise the stuff that was specifically tailored under the assumption that you were asking a personal question and not an impersonal rhetorical, and apply the general gist of what remains. The only people who really care about what your friends are doing is them, so they've got to decide what it is they want to do and how to do it. Also you could've opened with that bit of context.
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Art changing in the middle of a work isn't exactly a new or unknown phenomenon. It's not even unique to web media.
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If you don't particularly enjoy constantly making the same art over and over again, you might want to consider a different storytelling medium than comics. Like, the best-looking painted-over CGI comic out there, Anomaly, still looks janky and generic compared to something that's all-paint, digital or not. also lmao
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Troposphere posted:that's definitely what elsa was missing-- a playboy bunny tatt
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Rincewind posted:A magnificent forums own goal.
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I've managed to successfully stop laughing. Avshalom is a forums treasure. Also Scribblehatch you're a capable artist, but when you've got people taking the time and effort to respond sincerely with multiple paragraphs, it helps to treat those posts with the sort of respect you want your own posts to be treated. I think you mean well as a person but you're not communicating that fact very effectively. When someone posts three paragraphs, quoting just one phrase and giving a quick retort can't be interpreted as anything but snippy, if you think about it from the perspective of the people reading your posts. But at least you didn't embarrass yourself in front of the EVE goons so there's that. For what it's worth some of the advice pics you posted were interesting (and it was nice to get some insight into the Pixar house style of writing), some were kind of vague motivational pic stuff, and the only reason I can find that some people are taking issue with the post-it-note is that they've been in situations where specific advice regarding the topic actually would have been helpful, either to give or receive. And when you've been in that situation, suddenly that simple motivational poster stuff can sound trite, condescending, and insulting to your intelligence. Like, you know, how most people view motivational posters. It would've felt more relevant if you'd posted those pics as part of a longer response to someone else with specific issues regarding character writing, or even as part of a critique to someone else's work posted in search of a critique. Not too long ago someone wanted to workshop a pitch for a comic idea about a relationship and one of the major threads of criticism was that it seemed aimless (even for an intended comedy short) and that its characters weren't believable on a basic level (and even works set in fantastical or absurd contexts need at least something for the audience to latch onto.) Thread discussion just happens when it happens, it doesn't need to be started or stopped arbitrarily by someone bringing up topics apropos of nothing. That skirts a bit closely to unnecessary navelgazing, when talking shop is really more directed based on what actually needs to be worked on in the here and now. On the other hand, discussion in this thread has really taken off so there's that. To sum it up, there usually isn't much discussion in the Making Comics thread because people are usually just working in peace and don't actually need advice unless they're prompting the thread for some.
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You can get away with breaking the rules of thumb of scene composition if you do the footwork to solve, ahead of time, the problems that those rules are there to avoid. Full backgrounds and visual context can let you ignore the 180 rule without confusing readers but sparse or empty backgrounds won't. Action frames will probably be short on visual context unless you're a very quick and efficient artist.
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Helldump? gently caress if I know, I'm a post-aughties reg.
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Frozenpussy posted:Why wouldn't they repeatedly kickstart themselves? There's a lot of reasons not to kickstart to fund the rewards of a previous kickstarter. That's basically taking a loan out to pay off a previous loan. It's unsustainable. That and for better or worse backer rewards are very often preorders of some product at a discount. A poorly-planned kickstarter can actually cost more money than it makes and if you needed a second kickstarter to stay afloat after your first it means you hosed up your business planning on a fundamental level. It also bears mentioning that crowdfunding relies on goodwill and trades on trust and confidence. It's not an immediate direct sale, it's considered a donation with the promise of results later down the line. Psychologically that has a different effect on potential customers. And begging for donations to fund the rewards of previous donations basically throws away any possible trust or confidence your potential backers, customers, have that you can deliver a product on time without needing to beg for more.
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Just tell your friend to keep his porn stash to himself.
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fun hater posted:you forgot the ring on his finger! it's always the first thing I look for
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CelticPredator posted:I was going to quit this, but I felt like just giving it a whirl, mostly trying to figure out how long it would take me to 'ink' a page. It took like, 4-5 hours. Still unsure if I want to continue, but wanted some opinions so figure out where I go next with it. First off I'll go ahead and second all of the other criticisms above, it does feel like you've put more effort into details you didn't really need to, especially since they're details that clutter up readability and reduce visual clarity. Since there was already a goon who went and did a decent amount of critique and analysis of lineart in comics (specifically manga, but the gist still applies) in between game jams, I'll go ahead and link to her post. The Anatomy of the Art of Dragonball Gaiden, Dragonball vs. Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure You've also got a lot of decompressed panels drawing out the entering of the building into a whole page, which means you're building up tension and reader expectations for when that door finally opens. However, with the exception of the dutch angle in the second to last panel, your composition has been very staid and orthogonal--either directly perpendicular to the flow of action or a largely still series of panels. The immediate next effortpost Xibanya did in the Jojo Manga thread also dealt with pacing and composition, so I'm going to send you over to read that, too. You could also just scroll down in her post history but w/e. It also talks about how tone can set expectations for tension, but since you're literally just getting started I figured you'd find the basics more relevant. The art of Dragonball vs the art of Jojo Part II: The Point of Panels Also yes she's literally just applying stuff she knows from reading Scott McCloud's books on comics to two examples relevant to that thread, but I figure it's faster to point you to her posts first. If you're interested in knowing more about what the gently caress she's on about, you can read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics or Making Comics. I've seen them in libraries but they're worth owning a proper copy of. Incidentally, she has an ongoing Let's Read of Jojo pt.4, Diamond is Unbreakable, that's currently on hiatus due to the fact that she's busy working on another game jam. It assumes you've already watched/read the previous parts of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and casually spoils details from the ending of Jojo pt.3, but it's useful and interesting as a running art critique using the same knowledge of comics and visually she displays in her effortposts above. If you're curious, here's her post history from the Jojo Anime thread, which is where the Let's Read is being posted in. Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable! Also I'm just posting a bunch of links because that's easier than going into full art critic visual breakdown mode over a single page you're having doubts about following up on.
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Scribblehatch posted:AAAAA I've been peddling this one to people for ages. That's because they're weird and picky people.
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Avshalom posted:Retro Grace, your comic is hilarious.
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RoryBlank posted:I started trying to make myself do comics regularly, because I like doing it and I don't do it very often, but here's a thing I drew last night. I knew exactly what case you were referring to the instant I saw the second panel and I don't know what that says about me
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sweeperbravo posted:Welcome back
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