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A Winner is Jew posted:http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/2468775/fifa-corrupt-over-24-years-says-us-department-of-justice DOJ does not believe in lube, oh they've heard of it but you aren't getting any when they come for you Blatter. 
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How's the European reaction to this? Talking heads and media figures have railed against FIFA for years but the governments have never done anything about it.
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May 28, 2015 08:20
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pentyne posted:The DOJ is going to hold FIFA down and gently caress them into obscurity, and then spearhead the launch of a new International Football organization, with the European countries who played ball the most (so far Switzerland) being given free reign to set it up. I'm actually curious if FIFA as an organization could fall apart, I don't know enough about how it's structured or organized but presumably if enough higher-ups are indicted, enough assets are impounded, and just generally enough chaos is sown could they not be able to operate?
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May 28, 2015 08:32
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Fojar38 posted:Taking down organized soccer and holding the Russian hordes at bay; weird tricks for earning goodwill in Europe. The funny thing is, this might be as much about politics as it is about law enforcement. Just goddamn weird, but hilarious at the same time.
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May 28, 2015 08:38
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pentyne posted:How's the European reaction to this? Talking heads and media figures have railed against FIFA for years but the governments have never done anything about it. Headline news in the UK for the past two days. http://www.justice.gov/opa/file/450211/download I am not very versed in the United States Code but it would appear to me that all the defendants are absolutely hosed
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May 28, 2015 08:48
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oversteer posted:Headline news in the UK for the past two days. They're being prosecuted under the same legal statues that were used to break the back of the Mob, there's been a high level informant feeding them information for years, a major billion dollar corporation has agreed to work with the US by turning over files, etc. Anyone getting extradited to the US is going to get hosed hard, and they'll either immediately cut a deal or probably flee to a non-extradition country after they skip on their bail.
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May 28, 2015 08:57
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I notice that the latest conpsiracy theory by idiots on the web is that this was conveniently timed to happen just before FIFA voted on suspending Israel! https://twitter.com/J_Bloodworth/status/603660635033964544?lang=en
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May 28, 2015 09:24
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 Meanwhile, buildings are still going up in Qatar.
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May 28, 2015 09:32
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Another element here is that these are Europeans facing american jail sentences. Criminal, not civil. They'll plead out but even their pleas will be more severe sentences than anything they would face in Europe. Wait has something new come up? I thought that all arrested were from Americas, big names from CONCACAF etc.?
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May 28, 2015 10:05
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pentyne posted:How's the European reaction to this? Talking heads and media figures have railed against FIFA for years but the governments have never done anything about it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32913653 Its going to come up in Parliament today as well. Not to mention a prominent England Ex-Footballer and now commentator is also calling for a boycott. EDIT There's a gem of a quote in that article too! quote:Former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, who was a member a committee set up by Fifa to look at possible reforms, said he had warned Fifa that if it did not "get its act together" someone else would come in and "take over".
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May 28, 2015 10:19
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Woah, Putin cracked the case:quote:Russian President Vladimir Putin says the United States is meddling in FIFA's affairs in an attempt to take the 2018 World Cup away from his country.
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May 28, 2015 11:38
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Eel hovercraft posted:Woah, Putin cracked the case: This is somewhat significant. Putin doesn't always comment on issues like these, usually it's done by junior ministers in the government or Duma members and such. I'm wondering if there are surprising details coming out regarding Blatter and his warm feelings towards the Putin administration.
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May 28, 2015 12:13
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These officals getting off the hook with a fine because of their power is pretty laughable. Rothstein was extremely well connected in the American financial and legal sectors and as an individual had at least $1.2 billion in illegal funds alone. He cooperated well beyond good faith. He owned his own loving ace legal firm:wiki posted:His firm had 70 lawyers and 150 employees, with offices in Boca Raton, West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tallahassee, Florida, New York and Caracas, Venezuela. The firm focused on labor and employment matters, civil rights, intellectual property, internet law, corporate espionage, personal injury, wrongful death, commercial litigation, real estate, mergers and acquisitions, and governmental relations.[7] His client list included: Citicorp, J. C. Penney, Ed Morse Automotive Group, National Beverage, Silversea Cruise Lines, Supra Telecom, and Wells Fargo.[8] Until he was permanently disbarred by the Florida Supreme Court on November 25, 2009, Rothstein was a member of the Florida Bar and admitted by the United States Supreme Court. He had been given an "AV" peer review rating by Martindale-Hubbell. 50 years, federal prison.
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May 28, 2015 12:19
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May 28, 2015 12:37
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pentyne posted:How's the European reaction to this? Talking heads and media figures have railed against FIFA for years but the governments have never done anything about it. I had the same question so I decided to look up what the Daily Mail was saying. quote:James Comey, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, stood at the podium, an upright, imposing figure, and delivered a message of purest hope. ‘This may be the way things are,’ he said, ‘but this is not the way things have to be.’ He sounded, for a moment, like Gary Cooper. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3100058/Sepp-Blatter-hard-nail-Osama-Bin-Laden-t-FIFA-s-president-bullet.html They're literally going full-on Frank Capra mode. More tellingly, the comments go from "they're mad they didn't get the bids" conspiracy on the one hand, to "why did this take so long?" and "God Bless America" on the other. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 12:53 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 12:49
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:God Bless America
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May 28, 2015 13:04
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Michael Conahan and Mark Ciavarella are two more good examples of modern RICO cases. They took money in exchange for giving guilty verdicts. This very simple crime alone is consider an act of wire fraud, mail fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, and honest services fraud. After the federal investigators went through everything with a fine tooth comb and a microscope those two ended up with 48 counts total for 20 and 30 years federal time respectively. Also as far as I'm aware no RICO sentence has ever been reduced, and some have gone to some extreme extents w/g/t good behaviour, acts of contrition, or money invested to try. SlipUp fucked around with this message at 13:13 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 13:06
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Glah posted:Wait has something new come up? I thought that all arrested were from Americas, big names from CONCACAF etc.? The way RICO works, they're probably going to be able to extradite people that didn't even set foot in the US, all because some members of FIFA did business that passed through the US. This is why people assume Blatter will eventually be prosecuted under US law, and punished under it.
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May 28, 2015 13:16
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Getting Blatter also requires Switzerland to OK extraditing a citizen to the US. Thankfully it looks like he and FIFA have so disgusted and pissed off so many people that nobody is inclined to defend him.
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May 28, 2015 13:55
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3100058/Sepp-Blatter-hard-nail-Osama-Bin-Laden-t-FIFA-s-president-bullet.html Daily Mail online is mostly frequented by Americans though, so who knows who is actually commenting.
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May 28, 2015 13:59
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RICO is fun to dissect especially with the disparate commentary in US courts
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May 28, 2015 15:04
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The Swiss are apparently prohibiting Blatter from leaving Switzerland right now. This is why (well, one of the many reasons) you always take Henry Kissinger as an example. He probably has a page in his little notebook devoted to "countries that do not have extradition treaties with any relevant states, in descending order of preference".
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May 28, 2015 15:11
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This is why (well, one of the many reasons) you always take Henry Kissinger as an example. Which are apparently: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.
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May 28, 2015 15:24
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Gravel Gravy posted:Which are apparently: This is the Blatter List, presumably. Assuming he's going into retirement, the UAE/Qatar and Russia are the obvious choices.  But I personally might roll with Vietnam, Indonesia, or one of the Stans.There's a bit more choice than I expected!
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Another big limitation on Kissinger, Cheney et al. is what countries someone may have brought some holy water or a cross through customs at some point.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Another big limitation on Kissinger, Cheney et al. is what countries someone may have brought some holy water or a cross through customs at some point. I would play a version of the Fury of Dracula board game where you are chasing Kissinger or Cheney throughout the world in order to stop their evil.
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OhYeah posted:This is somewhat significant. Putin doesn't always comment on issues like these, usually it's done by junior ministers in the government or Duma members and such. I'm wondering if there are surprising details coming out regarding Blatter and his warm feelings towards the Putin administration. Putin is personally involved in the bribery and handed over a Picasso. I imagine he wouldn't like to lose the world cup bid, it'd cost him a shitload of face. Russia won't lose the bid but the amount of people who seem to think Qatar is still going to happen is insane. Blatter's almost certainly already been rolled on, Jack Warner et al wouldn't piss out a fire if it didn't personally benefit them.
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May 28, 2015 15:45
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Shifty Pony posted:Getting Blatter also requires Switzerland to OK extraditing a citizen to the US. Luckily, one Bill "slick willie" Clinton signed an extradition treaty with Switzerland that already guarantees they can't protect Blatter without serious diplomatic backlash. quote:Article 3(3) provides that the executive authority of the Requested State may refuse extradition for acts which (a) violated provisions of law relating exclusively to currency policy, trade policy or economic policy, (b) are intended exclusively to reduce taxes or duties, or (c) constitute an offense only under military law. The provisions in subsections (a) and (b) were included in the Treaty because Swiss law for the most part prohibits extradition for purely fiscal or tax offenses. This provision would not be used to shield from extradition underlying criminal conduct, such as fraud, embezzlement, or falsification of public documents, if that conduct is otherwise extraditable. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Luckily, one Bill "slick willie" Clinton signed an extradition treaty with Switzerland that already guarantees they can't protect Blatter without serious diplomatic backlash. The section that would be relevant would be these: quote:1. Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been Basically Switzerland can prosecute him themselves, and if they then botch it the Swiss can't extradite.
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evilweasel posted:The section that would be relevant would be these: But under the RICO act can't they just keep hitting Blatter with charges until the Swiss give up or they find a crime the Swiss can't prosecute him for?
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quote:In a speech to mark the opening of the 65th Fifa congress on Thursday afternoon, Blatter said he could not be held responsible for the corruption scandal, emphasised that the allegations and arrests focussed on “a minority of individuals”, and promised, not for the first time, to clean up the organisation and rebuild trust.
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May 28, 2015 16:41
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evilweasel posted:Basically Switzerland can prosecute him themselves, and if they then botch it the Swiss can't extradite. It seems unlikely that Swiss prosecutors would be too interested in doing Blatter any favours while the Americans are busy burning FIFA to the ground. ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 28, 2015 |
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evilweasel posted:The section that would be relevant would be these: That's true, but it does mean that "if" (  ) he is implicated as being corrupt they can't just refuse extradition.
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May 28, 2015 16:50
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Xandu posted:He's Swiss, pretty sure they can refuse. I didn't see anything in the treaty that gave the right to refuse extradition because the person is a citizen, though I may have missed it.
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Xandu posted:He's Swiss, pretty sure they can refuse. Seems pretty unlikely this would happen though.
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If the Swiss eventually rolled over for Europe / the US in the UBS case the chances of them standing up for Blatter are...not high.
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Xandu posted:He's Swiss, pretty sure they can refuse. I dont see any exception for citizen status in the treaty but beyond that this would also put the incredibly expensive burden of prosecution of a man who has a functionally unlimited legal budget on the heads of the Swiss when the US has already warmed up their specifically tuned to disable crack legal teams meat grinder.
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oversteer posted:Headline news in the UK for the past two days. "2. The principal purpose of the enterprise[FIFA] was to regulate and promote the sport of soccer worldwide. " Word count: Soccer 25 Football 10 (however most of those are just in the names of the various sports organizations) Checkmate failballers.
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evilweasel posted:I didn't see anything in the treaty that gave the right to refuse extradition because the person is a citizen, though I may have missed it. Right, I may have misinterpreted this Article 8 provides that the Requested State shall not decline to extradite its nationals unless it has jurisdiction to prosecute them for the acts for which extradition is sought. If extradition is refused because the fugitive is a national of the Requested State, that State shall submit the case for prosecution at the request of the Requesting State.
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