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Feeling lazy, so no hype stuff up here. Alien Rope Burn is playing Hikaru, Gutter Owl is playing Voco.    This fight is using Special moves (Cancel/Pulse/Finisher) as always, and the new starting layout with characters separated by one space. Please send in your choices for starting discards and finishers!
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May 28, 2015 20:54
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I am so hype over the Voco. Also hope at watching my first GO match.
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May 28, 2015 21:04
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Voco is clearly the flashy contender here what with the zombies and all the ways to make use of them but I've gotta say that Hikaru looks pretty rad.
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May 28, 2015 21:28
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Wow those are old sheets.
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May 28, 2015 21:54
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Gutter Owl posted:Wow those are old sheets. No kidding! Thunderous was what tipped me off there; I thought you guys had cleared out the "exactly" clarifications because rules.
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May 28, 2015 21:57
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i guess i should probably replace the assets with newer better ones 
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May 28, 2015 22:26
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I have homework due in seven hours, so let's spend my productive time with another intro commentary: Hikaru's one of the War originals, so I'm only passingly familiar with him. He looks really neat and fun to play as. Anyone who can mess with their stats on any attack is hell to play against, and Hikaru can manage all four. Remember, the core of BattleCON is that each beat, you have a minimum of fifteen options to choose from and fifteen of your opponent's to consider. Anything that opens up your decision space makes those numbers even more intimidating. Range-wise, he's got a fairly standard spread of zeroes down the board with a +1 max range on a single style. However, Trance Style disallows the use of Elemental Tokens, so Hikaru will never get more than 1-2 range on his melee bases. Power's similarly dull: a +1 on two, a -1 on others. This time, it's not Trance that gets the power, so Fire Tokens help out a bit. Priority and Soak/Stun Guard are in similar boats, lacking from the styles but sitting on tokens. Mobility is the real kicker here. Outside of the normal Dash/Burst/Drive trinity, there's just Advancing Style and Palm Strike. Combined with Hikaru's lack of range and we've got a real weakness there. Hikaru's unique base is Grasp but trading the on hit for a mini-Drive and reuse of his gimmick. On most characters a second Priorty 5 base would be wonderful; with Hikaru having his Wind Token it's merely kind of nice. Overall, Hikaru's gameplan looks to be to stand there and trade profitably through mental outmaneuvering. Voco! Voco's an odd one. He's an excellent example of how silly but cool BattleCON can be, especially when you're trying to sell someone else on it. Unfortunately, he's commonly considered to be one of the weakest characters in the game, and not without cause. Voco's basic gimmick is to set Zombie Markers down. These markers provide defense for him and bleeding to the opponent, as long as they're nearby the opponent. Which is problem one: if the opponent likes to move a whole lot, it's a lot harder to make use of his primary shtick. Now, this alone isn't bad. Everyone has good and bad matchups, after all. But then you look at those ranges. Dear god, all that +minimum range. 0, 1, 1-2, 1-2, 2-4, what in the hell? It gets worse, as two of those plus minimum range styles have him advance. It's a frustrating minigame just getting him to land hits, and the new Fate starting positions sure aren't doing Voco any favors. There's also little power, speed, or defense on these styles, just to make it worse. So what the hell do you do with Voco? You Shred. Shred is one of a rare class of X ranged bases. X range is shorthand for "this hits only under specifc circumstances, but always under those", and it's great. Setting up a Shred is relatively easy, and you never have to worry about range. It's decently fast, too. You just have to make sure there's some zombies to hit with, which is doable. Because of its X ranged nature, you don't have to worry about your minimum range screwing it over. You just need there to be a zombie on their space. Using this, Shred is also useful as an opponent manipulation tool, encouraging them to move in places that'll work for you. Voco's mobility isn't all bad, either. His styles are an example of the fighting game tactic of the crossup, where you hop over opponents a bunch in order to mess with their left/right. Advancing 2 when at Range 1 is an excellent portrayal of this, and is a tactic to look out for, on both sides. Voco has an uphill fight against anyone with high mobility, but plays an excellent ranged game, and a little bit of Soak here and there is never a bad thing, especially when it's not directly tied to his attacks. Well, it's just as I said. Against anyone with high mobility, Voco's in trouble. Hikaru, however... Hikaru wants to get close. Voco wants to stay far. This would tend to indicate a basic favor to Hikaru because eventually there's a wall, but that's not the case here. Voco's crossups will ruin Hikaru's day, and without a Fire Token, the incidental Soak will add up and put Voco at a life lead. It's not all Voco's game, though, as Hikaru has a heavy speed advantage, and a wrong call from Voco to dodge and hit will just result in a Geomantic Palm Strike to the groin. This match will not be characterized by life trades, as that implies that the two will be in mutual attacking range more than a couple of times. Instead, it's going to come down to who reads their opponent's potential movements better, and actually scores the hits. I'm looking forward to this.
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May 28, 2015 22:30
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Tollymain posted:i guess i should probably replace the assets with newer better ones Or you could just use the updated assets that already exist.
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May 29, 2015 01:27
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i did, that's what i meant sorry
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May 29, 2015 02:15
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1st Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 20 Life Discard 1: Focused Grasp Discard 2: Trance Burst Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool:     Voco Astrum 20 Life Discard 1: Monster Shred Discard 2: Thunderous Shot Special: The Wave    ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru antes Water! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama   Voco Astrum   -- Hikaru is the active character this beat! -- START OF BEAT -- Hikaru advances 1 space! He does not switch sides with Voco! -- Voco retreats 1 or 2 spaces! He moves 1! -- Voco retreats 1 space, then places a Zombie in each space between him and Hikaru!    -- ACTIVE CHARACTER BEFORE ACTIVATING: -- Hikaru advances 1 or 2 spaces! He moves 1! ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru drops into an Advancing Drive! -- Advancing Drive has a range of 0~2! It hits!   DAMAGE: -- Advancing Drive has a power of 4! -- Hikaru is adjacent to 1 Zombie! The marker is removed and Voco has Soak 1! -- Voco takes 3 damage and is stunned! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER -- Voco is stunned and cannot activate! -- END OF BEAT -- Voco removes the Zombie beneath Hikaru! Hikaru loses 1 Life! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 30, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 04:35
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So why does Voco's guitar have a mohawk?
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May 29, 2015 13:42
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What, yours doesn't?
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May 29, 2015 14:07
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alien rope burn, how close do you want to get?
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May 30, 2015 00:12
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OmegaGoo posted:So why does Voco's guitar have a mohawk? Why don't all guitars have mohawks? Hikaru will advance 1.
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May 30, 2015 00:56
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2nd Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 19 Life Discard 1: Advancing Drive Discard 2: Focused Grasp Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool: Voco Astrum 17 Life Discard 1: Hellraising Burst Discard 2: Monster Shred Special: The Wave ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru antes Wind! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama   Voco Astrum   -- Hikaru is the active character this beat! -- START OF BEAT -- Hikaru advances 1 space! -- ACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru steps in with a Sweeping Palm Strike! -- Sweeping Palm Strike has a range of 1! It hits! DAMAGE: -- Sweeping Palm Strike has a power of 1! -- Voco is defenseless! Voco takes 1 damage and is stunned! ON DAMAGE: -- Hikaru regains an Element! He selects Water! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER -- Voco is stunned and cannot activate! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 05:13 on May 30, 2015 |
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May 30, 2015 01:11
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The soak removes the zombie adjacent to Hikaru, not the one underneath him. The one underneath him will go for the chomp, though.
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May 30, 2015 01:13
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gently caress fixed
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May 30, 2015 01:15
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3rd Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 19 Life Discard 1: Sweeping Palm Strike Discard 2: Advancing Drive Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool: Voco Astrum 16 Life Discard 1: Metal Dash Discard 2: Hellraising Burst Special: The Wave ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru antes Earth! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama  Voco Astrum   CANCEL! -- Hikaru's pair goes to his first discard! -- Shot returns to Voco's hand! Hikaru Sorayama  Voco Astrum   -- Voco is the active character this beat! -- START OF BEAT -- Voco places a Zombie in his space, then advances 2!  -- ACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Voco reaches out with a Thunderous Grasp! -- Thunderous Grasp has a range of 2~3! It hits!  ON HIT: -- Voco moves Hikaru 1! He pushes him! DAMAGE: -- Thunderous Grasp has a power of 1! -- Hikaru has Soak 3 and Stun Guard 2! He takes no damage! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru opens fire with a Focused Shot! -- Focused Shot has a range of 1~4! It hits! ON HIT: -- Hikaru regains an Element! He selects Wind! DAMAGE: -- Focused Shot has a power of 3! -- Voco is defenseless! Voco takes 3 damage and is stunned! -- END OF BEAT -- Voco declines to remove the Zombie beneath Hikaru! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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May 30, 2015 05:13
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new pairs, please
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May 30, 2015 23:58
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gutter owl, where do you want to move hikaru?
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May 31, 2015 04:13
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Far corner.
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May 31, 2015 04:14
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Alien Rope Burn, which element do you want to regain
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May 31, 2015 04:24
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Air, it's the only one to recover right now.
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May 31, 2015 04:41
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i'm pretty sure you had a choice between earth and wind there
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May 31, 2015 04:43
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Tollymain posted:i'm pretty sure you had a choice between earth and wind there He can't regain a token the same turn he antes it.
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May 31, 2015 04:44
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4th Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 19 Life Discard 1: Focused Shot Discard 2: Geomantic Burst, Sweeping Palm Strike Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool: Voco Astrum 12 Life Discard 1: Thunderous Grasp Discard 2: Metal Dash Special: ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru passes! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama Voco Astrum -- Hikaru is the active character this beat! -- START OF BEAT -- Hikaru advances 1 space! -- Voco retreats 1 or 2 spaces! He moves 2! -- Voco retreats 1 space, then places a Zombie in each space between him and Hikaru! -- ACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru breaks into an Advancing Dash! AFTER ACTIVATING: -- Hikaru moves 1, 2, or 3 spaces! He advances 3! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Voco unleashes a Hellraising Burst! -- Hellraising Burst has a range of 3~5! It misses! -- END OF BEAT -- Voco declines to remove the Zombie beneath Hikaru! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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May 31, 2015 04:46
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oh okay sorry i'm dumb
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May 31, 2015 04:46
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No, it's okay, it's an easy thing to forget with Hikaru. (Trust me, I'd rather have earth against Voco, but alas.)
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May 31, 2015 05:23
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i assumed the movement numbers, let me know if you want to move differently. gutter owl, do you want to expend the zombie beneath hikaru?
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Jun 1, 2015 01:45
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No thanks.
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Jun 1, 2015 02:29
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OmegaGoo posted:So why does Voco's guitar have a mohawk? It has a mohawk because it's a Skull Guitar. I'm assuming it's also the reason his music raises zombies (being a skull, not the mohawk. That's for looking METAL!!!). Or because rock music *puts on sunglasses* can wake the dead "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!"
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5th Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 19 Life Discard 1: Advancing Dash Discard 2: Focused Shot Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool: Voco Astrum 12 Life Discard 1: Hellraising Burst Discard 2: Thunderous Grasp Special: ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru passes! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama Voco Astrum   -- START OF BEAT -- Hikaru may spend an Elemental Token on his attack! He selects Fire! -- ACTIVE CHARACTER BEFORE ACTIVATING: -- Hikaru advances 1 or 2 spaces! He can only move 1! ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru drops into a Geomantic Drive! -- Geomantic Drive has a range of 1! It hits! DAMAGE: -- Geomantic Drive has a power of 7! -- Hikaru is adjacent to 1 Zombie! The marker is removed and Voco has Soak 1! -- Voco has Stun Guard 5! He takes 6 damage and is stunned! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER -- Voco is stunned and cannot activate! -- END OF BEAT -- Voco declines to remove the Zombie beneath Hikaru! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 02:50
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alien rope burn, do you want to use a token at this time?
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Jun 1, 2015 08:29
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Let's spend fire.
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Jun 1, 2015 11:36
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gutter owl, do you wish to remove the zombie under hikaru?
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Jun 1, 2015 12:25
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No thanks.  Voco is far and away my worst character. I can put up a better showing with Borneo, honestly. gutterdaughter fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 18:06
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Gutter Owl posted:No thanks. I... what?
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Jun 1, 2015 18:42
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Borneo at least has Hex and Divider!
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6th Beat! Hikaru Sorayama 19 Life Discard 1: Geomantic Drive Discard 2: Advancing Dash Special: Wrath of the Elements Token Pool: Voco Astrum 6 Life Discard 1: Monster Strike Discard 2: Hellraising Burst Special: ~~~ -- ANTE -- Hikaru passes! -- REVEAL Hikaru Sorayama  Voco Astrum   -- Hikaru is the active character this beat! -- START OF BEAT -- Hikaru advances 1 space! Hikaru cannot advance! -- ACTIVE CHARACTER ACTIVATION: -- Hikaru steps in with a Trance Palm Strike! -- Trance Palm Strike has a range of 1! It hits! DAMAGE: -- Trance Palm Strike has a power of 2! -- Voco is defenseless! He takes 2 damage and is stunned! ON DAMAGE: -- Hikaru regains an Element! He selects Earth! -- REACTIVE CHARACTER -- Voco is stunned and cannot activate! -- END OF BEAT -- Hikaru regains an Element! He selects Fire! -- Voco removes the Zombie beneath Hikaru! Hikaru loses 1 Life! -- RECYCLE Tollymain fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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gutter owl, do you want to sacrifice the zombie under hikaru?
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