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precision posted:the only thing wrong with fallout 2 is it's too drat big and messy. it's like the first draft of someone's totally awesome thousand page novel before the editor gets hold of it This is a perfect explanation. The core gameplay might be improved on a technical level but even if you excuse how glitchy and unfinished a lot of the game is and don't care about the huge change in tone with all the pop culture references and edginess it's just way too sprawling and big for its own good. Fallout 1 may have some oldschool jank to it but you almost always have some idea where you're going and what you're doing and it has clear goals and antagonists and develops organically. As much criticism as Fallout 3 got for being too wacky I'd take its wanna-be vampires and superhero cosplayers over 2's Mike Tyson ear-biting jokes and Mad Magazine-level Scientology jokes (it's not Tom Cruise, it's Juan Cruz  ) any day.Real hurthling! posted:nah FO2 isn't ugly as gently caress with a wet fart ending. Fallout 2's graphics are 90% brown dirt and grey roofs and the ending is a super soldier with almost no foreshadowing or explanation showing up out of nowhere just so you can have a boss fight.
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Sleeveless posted:
Fallout 3 is 100% brown and grey with a filter effect over it and the end of the game is a dude in a suit and tie that you gib with one vats shot.
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Bicyclops posted:Maybe... they're both decent games with some flaws? yes but this is the internet so no
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Jul 1, 2015 01:35
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Adam Bowen posted:Wow that sounds really problematic, I hope someone does something to protect those fictional characters from abuse. 
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Jul 1, 2015 01:36
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the other day i saw a Pip-Boy wearing a NASCAR driver's outfit and giving the thumbs up on a redneck's Ford F150 not sure how to feel about it tbqh
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Jul 1, 2015 02:09
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precision posted:the other day i saw a Pip-Boy wearing a NASCAR driver's outfit and giving the thumbs up on a redneck's Ford F150 that was calvin u loving idiot.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:34
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Ekster posted:Bethesda games suck but the new Deus Ex is gonna own. It's gonna be different than HR? God that was lovely. A stealth game with bad stealth, lots of crashes, and stupid OP bosses where your stealth stuff is useless? I never played a Deus game before that but if they're all clones of MGS like that then I'll pass on the rest of the series.
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Jul 1, 2015 04:17
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Calvin and Vault Boy are mortal enemies, because Calvin flaunts authority, but Vault Boy is authority personified.
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Jul 1, 2015 04:19
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effectual posted:It's gonna be different than HR? God that was lovely. A stealth game with bad stealth, lots of crashes, and stupid OP bosses where your stealth stuff is useless? I never played a Deus game before that but if they're all clones of MGS like that then I'll pass on the rest of the series. They are actually doing stuff with the combat this time instead of it being "the thing you use if you gently caress up stealth", which is the eternal problem of most stealth games.
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Jul 1, 2015 04:32
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Alain Post posted:They are actually doing stuff with the combat this time instead of it being "the thing you use if you gently caress up stealth", which is the eternal problem of most stealth games. the way you get around this is like mgsV and alpha protocol where you just give an abilty that lets you stop time and blow away all your attackers before they call in an alert.
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Jul 1, 2015 04:37
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effectual posted:It's gonna be different than HR? God that was lovely. A stealth game with bad stealth, lots of crashes, and stupid OP bosses where your stealth stuff is useless? I never played a Deus game before that but if they're all clones of MGS like that then I'll pass on the rest of the series. lmao is this a real post
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Jul 1, 2015 04:58
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HR was pretty good but I didn't even try to get the no detection achievement.
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Jul 1, 2015 04:59
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Japanese Nintendo President Company Man is talking about the NX like it's coming out next year and they're going to probably definitely kick the Wii-U to the curb because that's what "third pillar" always translates to in Nintendoease . Literally my reaction upon hearing such glorious news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrMawW5J6NU I wish them much luck at making a good videogame console after a series of weakass watered down ones.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:03
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computer parts posted:HR was pretty good but I didn't even try to get the no detection achievement. I did the same thing I tend to do with all MGS games on first playthrough. I did no-detection until I got caught and started shooting stuff and found the game a lot more fun and interesting just doing whatever felt fun in each scenario. Ended up having a blast, like with MGS. The bosses got a lot of heat from people but I found them to be pretty easy aside from the first one who caught me by surprise the first time. I didn't start reading about the game online until after I finished and was surprised that people were way more pissed about the bosses than the mostly crappy, zombie-infested end section culminating into an underwhelming final boss with an unsatisfying epilogue.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:07
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Considering that every new mechanic they showed off in the trailer seems to be tailored to make your base character more effective offensively I'd say that they're aware of most of the complaints about the original.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:11
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computer parts posted:HR was pretty good but I didn't even try to get the no detection achievement. first time was a loud playthrough, second time i got the no detection, no kills and legend achievements in the same run. both times were really fun and the game owned
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Jul 1, 2015 05:20
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bloodychill posted:I didn't start reading about the game online until after I finished and was surprised that people were way more pissed about the bosses than the mostly crappy, zombie-infested end section culminating into an underwhelming final boss with an unsatisfying epilogue. I didn't even meet up with my boss or the activist guy so my choices at the end were just "broadcast the conspiracy" or "blow up the whole boat". It made my choice easy.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:04
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HR was a real good game and MD will probably be even better because Eidos seems to be learning from their mistakes.
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I was kind of astounded by how hard Human Revolution poo poo the bed right at the very end. They were doing so, so good, and then the final level was crap. The final boss was crap. The "ending" was crap. It didn't ruin the whole game or anything but boy was it a downer considering how good of a stride it had going prior to Jensen going to Panchaea.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:11
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CJacobs posted:I was kind of astounded by how hard Human Revolution poo poo the bed right at the very end. They were doing so, so good, and then the final level was crap. The final boss was crap. The "ending" was crap. It didn't ruin the whole game or anything but boy was it a downer considering how good of a stride it had going prior to Jensen going to Panchaea.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:15
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Accordion Man posted:Games making GBS threads themselves at the end in general are way more common than they should be sadly. Hey it's way better than it was during the 8 and 16 bit era, some games didn't even have an ending. Hell some had Killscreens. The only way to beat a game like that was to technically break it.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:24
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Having bad endings seems to be endemic to Deus Ex, the original had you fighting your way through concrete corridors full of endlessly-respawning monsters to press the button tied to your ending of choice, Invisible War has you wading through an island full of supersoldiers with rocket launchers to talk to the NPC linked with the ending of your choice, and even the tablet game ends with an unresolved cliffhanger and a "TO BE CONTINUED...?" stinger. The one thing they should take away from the original games is that hidden dance party endings make everything better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM4yzgITg5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghf3vTA20mE
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The Taint Reaper posted:Hey it's way better than it was during the 8 and 16 bit era, some games didn't even have an ending. 
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Accordion Man posted:Games making GBS threads themselves at the end in general are way more common than they should be sadly. LA Noire's end sequence was 100% combat oriented in a game where the combat mechanics were sort of slapped on as filler.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:34
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Just blew through Sleeping Dogs over the last few days. Wei is a loving monster, I'm amazed he could even walk in that last mission, let alone chuck a guy into an ice chipper.
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HR is a great game but yeah the last mission was definitely its weakest part, although I liked the zombies personally. 1) Lie to humanity to make it a libertarian hellhole. 2) Lie to humanity to further the Illuminati agenda, an organization notable for screwing everything up in the Deus Ex universe. 3) Tell people what actually happened. 4) Blow everything up out of spite. Although I understand that people like to have a lot of freedom in gameplay in these kinds of games I can't help but feel that a lot of them seem to misunderstand that it's a stealth game so it's inherently going to 'punish' you for going Rambo in some way. The only exception I know of is Dishonored, where people have the exact opposite complaint (stealth/non-lethal is boring!).
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Lurdiak posted:LA Noire's end sequence was 100% combat oriented in a game where the combat mechanics were sort of slapped on as filler.
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Accordion Man posted:Also the protagonist falls down a manhole and drowns in poo poo water. That was a satisfying resolution to his character arc of being a piece of poo poo.
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I think it's worth mentioning that you can get the PC version of Human Revolution: Director's Cut in exchange for a $1 donation to charity right now so if you or someone you know hasn't played one of the best games of the last console generation now's your chance.Ekster posted:HR is a great game but yeah the last mission was definitely its weakest part, although I liked the zombies personally. The commentary for Human Revolution is pretty good but the commentary for Panchaea is kind of sad because a lot of it is apologizing or explaining what they were going for and how disappointed they were with the final product. There's a whole bit about how they hate how the "zombies" turned out because they wanted to have people that were panicked and hallucinating but since it was the last part of the game they worked on and they didn't have the time or resources to really build up a unique AI just for that one part of the game they wound up just bring crazy zombie people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2sxfImoM4&t=220s
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Jul 1, 2015 06:58
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Red Dead's ending was real good though.
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Sleeveless posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM4yzgITg5c These are both extremely boring.
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Tried playing Human Revolution last year finally. Hot loving garbage. Either it just hasn't held up well, or playing too much MGS made the horrible stealth unbearable. I beat the first level non-lethal, in spite of the game doing its best to prevent you from doing so. And just never came back after i got bored in the tower before the next mission. Bad writing, very limited toolset for stealth from the begining which seemingly urges you to gun dudes down. And overall boring rear end level design. HR gets huge negative props for deciding that CQC should have a charge limit. Because punching dudes hard with your augmented, metal body takes AAA batteries.
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Manky posted:Idfk what this means still. It's confirmed that there are going to be Metroids in it. It means a 2D game where your progress is gated by geometry requiring new abilities to progress, and you can break the order if your good or if parts of it are inadvertently broken.
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Jul 1, 2015 13:46
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Human Revolution is good and the sequel will be better. Why are people comparing it to Metal Gear.
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Jul 1, 2015 13:50
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In Training posted:Human Revolution is good and the sequel will be better. Why are people comparing it to Metal Gear. non-lethal options, railroaded missions, stealth. All of which HR does worse than even the first MGS game.
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Nasgate posted:non-lethal options, railroaded missions, stealth. That's like saying Stealth Bastard Deluxe is a Metal Gear clone.
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Ah yes, Deus Ex has all my favorite parts of Metal Gear: branching conversations, an XP system, restrictive inventory and resource management, and hub worlds.
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