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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

post your fallout rankings

NV > 1 > 3 > 2

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
1 > NV > 2 > 3

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
All games are good after all.

A setting-driven game pretty much has to let the setting evolve even if incrementally in the same way, say, mainline Mario games have to change up block-hopping here and there to keep it fresh. And let's be honest, the combat in the original Fallouts was nothing earth-shattering and while FO3 and NV do some neat things, it's not exactly the main attraction. Though hell, if someone did Fallout Souls, I wouldn't complain either.

e: 2 > NV > 1 > 3

bloodychill fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Jun 4, 2015

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
New Vegas > Wasteland 2 > Fallout 2 > Fallout 3 > Fallout 1 > Wasteland

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!
To be fair, there was a time (a long time ago, like 2007 but gamers never let old arguments go) when Fallout fans who criticized Bethesda's direction were the No Mutants Allowed forum veterans who were so spergy, unpleasant and obnoxious (it was between them and Smash fans over who were more toxic in their nerdom) that they dominated the discussion and criticizing Fallout 3 meant you got lumped with them. That's why people who preferred Bethesda's approach get a little hostile when an Black Isle Fallout fan comes along.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
I personally think the first two Fallouts have both aged terribly and I haven't gotten very far in either.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
Fallout 2 was a disappointment because you couldn't even get past the second door.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
They called it Fallout 2 because there are only 2 rooms in the game, since the second door fails to open under any circumstances.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Alain Post posted:

They called it Fallout 2 because there are only 2 rooms in the game, since the second door fails to open under any circumstances.

it's just trying to save you from the rest of the game

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
I kinda like to point out that for all the "NMA is insane" stuff that gets thrown around, their opinion is pretty much "Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas are rad" which is basically what the goon opinion seemed to be at the end.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
First time I played Fallout 1 the save that got corrupted and lost 20+ hours of progress. Then the same thing happened with 2 except it was every save. PC gaming at its finest back then.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
Real gamers don't quit even when the game is telling them they probably should

How Rude
Aug 13, 2012


FUCK THIS SHIT
NV > Fallout 2 > Fallout 3 > Fallout 1 for me

Fallout 3 was more disappointing than bad imo

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Alain Post posted:

I kinda like to point out that for all the "NMA is insane" stuff that gets thrown around, their opinion is pretty much "Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas are rad" which is basically what the goon opinion seemed to be at the end.

You obviously don't remember the sheer insane nerd rage they generated between Bethesda buying the IP and Fallout 3 coming out.

Level Slide
Jan 4, 2011

Granted there aren't a whole lot of post-apocalyptic RPGs set in Greece or the Philippines or whatever.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

bloodychill posted:

Real gamers don't quit even when the game is telling them they probably should

I'm pretty sure Spore does almost literally everything it can to get you to try to quit before you can really get going, including several game-breaking glitches that will permanently bork your save file by melting the planet, issues trying to install the game (particularly if you are reinstalling it), connectivity problems, erasing half of your creations periodically, and having an extremely boring early-game, but boy did i still play it all the way to the stupid space part, multiple times, for some reason.

Plebian Parasite
Oct 12, 2012

Level Slide posted:

Granted there aren't a whole lot of post-apocalyptic RPGs set in Greece or the Philippines or whatever.

game idea: you are survivor in a harsh and savage post-apocalyptic India.
twist: you find out it is just normal India.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Level Slide posted:

Granted there aren't a whole lot of post-apocalyptic RPGs set in Greece or the Philippines or whatever.

Philippine mythology is so batshit that just once I want a game set there so you can fight monsters like disembodied flying heads trailing their pickled entrails behind them.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

No Such Thing posted:

game idea: you are survivor in a harsh and savage post-apocalyptic India.
twist: you find out it is just normal India.

this would also work for detroit :v:

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011

Bicyclops posted:

The whole point of the series is basically playing Mad Max over and over again. It's like saying "Playing hit the blocks and collect coins over and over again gets old, Mario sucks."

"Oh look, another game where x, y, z, really deviating from the norm there" is the most tired of all video game complaints. Play another drat series! Video games are iterative!

This is a bad argument. Because the first Fallout game was post-post-apocalypse. As were 2 and tactics. Society has pretty much revived, it's just rickety because the land is still screwed up.

And then Fallout 3 comes out, is hundreds of years after the first game, but the people are less developed and it becomes that boring "help the one group of not glaring assholes." The Alaska dlc was at least neat because it was different than not-mad max.

NV is better because there's 3 developed societies in conflict.

On another note, the reason people dislike Honest Hearts is because it's on rails when every other dlc and the main game are open.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
The reason people dislike Honest Hearts is that the quest design was clearly half-baked. Pretty much all the quests are "visit these locations on the map". (I think this was because of a development time issue)

Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

i just loving can't stand mormonism

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
Joshua Graham is probably one of the most interesting characters in a game full of interesting characters. The fact that he was originally conceived as a catoonishly evil puppy-kicking companion in Van Buren just makes the final guy that much cooler.

Hog Inspector posted:

i just loving can't stand mormonism

Even though they call themselves Mormons it mostly just seems to be generic Christian gospel aside from their proclivity for Utah and their missionary work. Kind of like how the "native" tribes aren't actual ethnic native americans but an amalgam of all the different nomads who were left roaming the woods after the apocalypse.

Excels
Mar 7, 2012

Your plastic pal who's fun to be with!

precision posted:

i honestly don't give a poo poo about anything but playing dress up. social equality isn't my crusade. it's all about fashion.

that's why i hate games where clothing items are gender locked also

I thought it was funny in FO3/NV that certain outfits would magically become dresses on female characters

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Excels posted:

I thought it was funny in FO3/NV that certain outfits would magically become dresses on female characters

That happens in Elder Scrolls as well, haha.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

BTW Honest Hearts was based on the movie "The Mission" which owns and has Robert De Niro, Jeremy Irons, and Liam Neeson; watch it

Alain Post posted:

The reason people dislike Honest Hearts is that the quest design was clearly half-baked. Pretty much all the quests are "visit these locations on the map". (I think this was because of a development time issue)

Yeah it was intended to be a filler after DM; it was concepted to be able to get cut badly and survive so they could have more time for the other DLCs.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
According to some vague developer statements I think they're supposed to be descended from mormons- someone mentioned that mormons would be well-equipped to survive an apocalypse due to them being so tightly-knit.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

StashAugustine posted:

BTW Honest Hearts was based on the movie "The Mission" which owns and has Robert De Niro, Jeremy Irons, and Liam Neeson; watch it

Dead Money was also based on The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, which is where the Sierra Madre Casino gets its name.

The fine folks at Obsidian have some pretty great taste.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Also Old World Blues is The Wizard of Oz

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
oh god i finally found a clicking non-game that has hooked me

its called Clicker Heroes. its free on steam. its good, even if it isn't actually a game.... :\

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

This post probably contains a Rickroll link!

precision posted:

oh god i finally found a clicking non-game that has hooked me

its called Clicker Heroes. its free on steam. its good, even if it isn't actually a game.... :\


Are you my steam friend that's always playing that poo poo? I have too many friends from SA to remember who is who. Cookie Clicker is a better non-game though.

Periodiko
Jan 30, 2005
Uh.

Nasgate posted:

This is a bad argument. Because the first Fallout game was post-post-apocalypse. As were 2 and tactics. Society has pretty much revived, it's just rickety because the land is still screwed up.

Yeah, Fallout 3 is bad in part because it wasn't iterative, it took the general concept and tried to turn it into an Elder Scrolls game. New Vegas gets a lot of good word from fans of the series precisely because it tried to return to the traditional strengths and setting of the series.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
ironic because fallout 3 was the best fallout

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

shh don't look him in the eye

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Stux posted:

ironic because fallout 3 was the best fallout

The internet says that Fallout 3 was objectively terrible because it featured the Brotherhood of Steel, had a half-baked companion system featuring a lovable dog companion who died too easily, was way too brown, blew a bunch of money on celebrity voice actors that added nothing to the game, had a bunch of wacky pop-culture and supernatural references that meshed poorly with the bleak post-apocalyptic setting, had a clunky UI that made inventory management a pain, and had a combat system that boiled down to targeting people's head in every encounter.

The internet then praises the original Fallout, which is guilty of literally every one of those things.

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011
Sleevelessed again!!!

theultimo
Aug 2, 2004

An RSS feed bot who makes questionable purchasing decisions.
Pillbug
Remember Bethesda is the only company i know to hire top name voice acting for one line see:oblivion

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

theultimo posted:

Remember Bethesda is the only company i know to hire top name voice acting for one line see:oblivion

New Vegas was really weird about their celebrities and how they used them. The game opens with Matthew Perry doing a :geno: monologue about the odds not being in your favor while stumbling over 50s slang and makes him your main rival for the main storyline, meanwhile they have Kris Kristofferson being awesome as a side character in a location that none of the main plotlines ever require you to visit and Rob Corddry is tucked away in a corner of the New Vegas strip with an entire intentionally-bad standup routine at the Aces casino that most gamers will never actually hear.

Sleeveless fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 4, 2015

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The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
I was playing Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins a few minutes ago and I got to Wario's Castle and I was listening to You Know My Name, the main theme to the James Bond film Casino Royale, and I imagined the guy singing the song was Wario and thought "Yeah right, buddy!" and then I got to Wario and I beat him and I beat the game.

This is one of my greatest moments in gaming history for me. Super Mario Land 2 and James Bond are two very good things that create a magical experience when brought together.

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