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NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Apr 24, 2004



Tapedump posted:

Iíd be better off moving their email hosting to Microsoft (which they like the idea of to get Teams). That wouldnít help the roaming PST issue any, huh?

yes this is the way to go. if you do this then you can do online mode, or just set caching to a really small amount (like locally cache only the last 1 week, everything else online) that will keep it manageable.

but really again don't do roaming profiles

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Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!

Grimey Drawer

IMAP is just kind of a worn out protocol. In order for ďpushĒ to work it has to have a connection open with the server continuously, there are always stupid mailbox sync issues between client and server, depending on how caching/online modes work it can also cause a lot of stress on the server depending on how large mailboxes get, etc.

It was fine when everyone had a 500MB ISP mail account or whatever that they accessed irregularly, but now that connections are always-on and everyone expects to be able to keep gigabytes of mail and search it instantly, IMAP is showing its age.

I still say go ahead and test roaming profiles. But make sure you do a thorough test. Maybe involve a couple savvy users if theyíre willing to be guinea pigs. I think email will be your biggest hurdle. Part of the reason we donít see issues is that our VDI runs Outlook connected to Exchange in online mode, and we disallow PSTís globally because we have an enterprise email archive. Plus our network storage is fast so VMís and profiles are loaded very quickly since itís all within our datacenter network.

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Tapedump posted:

My main interest is more with the musical desks game. They currently use Folder Redirection to some success and have most important data on a server share. But, in typical SMB fashion, they've asked if they can hop to any workstation and log in to find their task bar icons, their Outlook client config, etc. the same.
Presuming anyone can hop onto any desktop; folder redirection and group policy for hands-off Outlook setup should work fine, they can suck it when it comes to any further customisation tho.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014




Tortured By Flan

Start moving your users into the Mail and Calendar active sync apps imo. I don't think Outlook will be a thing by 2020.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Youíre wrong. New version of standalone Office is hitting in 2018.

sneakyfrog
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Potato Salad posted:

I don't think Outlook will be a thing by 2020.

quoting for posterity.

outlook honestly is the reason i have a brokeback mountain response to microsoft.

users expect it, corporate clients require it.

nothing interfaces with exchange like it despite very good efforts.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



Potato Salad posted:

Start moving your users into the Mail and Calendar active sync apps imo. I don't think Outlook will be a thing by 2020.

This is possibly the most wrong post Iíve seen in these threads.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


The Fool posted:

This is possibly the most wrong post Iíve seen in these threads.

Unfortunately I think you are correct. The Outlook-obsessed won't ever change. They'll always find some obscure feature they don't actually need but they'll convince themselves that alternatives are unusable because it's not there.

I'd be a happy man if that pile of poo poo went away, but I'm not holding my breath.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


The Fool posted:

This is possibly the most wrong post Iíve seen in these threads.

At the very least Exchange will be gone. Which would own.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Exchange 2018 was already announced.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



Matt Zerella posted:

At the very least Exchange will be gone. Which would own.

Wtf is wrong with you people.

On prem exchange isnít going anywhere anytime soon either.

Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014


Tapedump posted:

Youíre right about their PST sizes, mostly. I see how that would be a big fat problem given how you describe profiles roam...

e. woops missed a page there. point stands but I'll try to add some actual advice later

IMAP is a genuine concern yeah but PSTs are arguably worse. At least, in my experience, might be overreacting but is a measurable percentage of your time related to rebuilding corrupt mail stores? It will once you start roaming profiles on PSTs. That PST and PTSD are nearly anagrams is one of those cosmic coincidences that make me believe the Intelligent Design people have a point

Old Binsby fucked around with this message at Nov 24, 2017 around 20:02

NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Apr 24, 2004



what possible indication do you have that exchange or outlook will die

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Whats this PST business? Don't y'all run into OSTs?

Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014


Matt Zerella posted:

At the very least Exchange will be gone. Which would own.

This is a reasonable position if you feel email sucks and I agree that it should get its descent into obsolescence over with already. Until then I'd much rather deal with Exchange 2019 (which the SaaS platform will also be based on) than the exim/postfix/dovecot/domino(?)/GoogApps alternatives around.

though, while you're waiting for email to die keep in mind people (such as myself) are still out there herding farms of FoIP (yes, Fax-over-IP) gateways. I'm under 30 and I've spent time implementing literally Telex (over SIP)

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Yes email sucks and I want it to die but I was talking more about on prem exchange which blows rear end and I'm fine with Google/365 taking over there as long as there's no legal requirement for on prem.

I mainly deal with small shops and I push every time to get people to get rid of their lovely rear end old on prem setup whenever possible.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

At work we're making the move to Our Corporate Overlord's thin client system. We're going to:

Drop backups of user systems.
Push everyone to Google Drive; the parent org has been mapping a U: drive for the logged-in user by policy for ages.
Roll out a system that syncs personal stuff like bookmarks and mapped drives.

The model is, your laptop breaks and you log into a spare, all your stuff syncs. No more data transfer. The whole concept of a loaner transforms. I think it's going to be great. Google certainly will be happy, globally we're six figures for users. It really is Bill Gates' Netscape Nightmare finally come to life.

NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Apr 24, 2004



redeyes posted:

Whats this PST business? Don't y'all run into OSTs?

OSTs is for online cache of exchange mailbox but they're talking about IMAP from gmail so it would use a PST

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

OSTs is for online cache of exchange mailbox but they're talking about IMAP from gmail so it would use a PST

FWIW, outlook 2013+ uses ost for imap too

NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Apr 24, 2004



The Fool posted:

FWIW, outlook 2013+ uses ost for imap too

oh, huh.

well now you know when the last time I used outlook with imap was

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We have an Exchange 2016 DAG and it works great. Zero issues and have not had to gently caress with it much ever. Basically have had zero problems with on prem Exchange since migrating from GroupWise in 2008.

We also block all PST's via a GPO and don't allow mailboxes larger than 2 gigs and no attachments over 5 megs.

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

My bad, I use PST and OST interchangeably even though I know they're not the same thing. In either case, the need for Roaming Profiles to move around large Outlook data stores is a big bog-down point is what I'm hearing.

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$



I (almost) landed a project gig for making some developers network IPv6 ready so that their internal app can be distributed by the Apple app store. Supposedly, the ISP has to provision them an IPv6 account (or something?) and then I can test their internally hosted server by using something like ipv6-test.com. Their internal network has to also support IPv6 (presumably?) and there's an app store developer site that goes into detail on how to test that, but that may be out of scope for this project.

Can someone please tell me what I'm missing? I haven't had to deal with IPv6 or app store apps yet and I don't know what I don't know.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless you, ants. Blants.




Fun Shoe

Your ISP needs to support IPv6 - most of the large consumer ISPs do already since they supply their own routers and are good at doing it pretty seamlessly now. The smaller ISPs tend to either go all-in on IPv6 and have supported it for years, or are ignoring it. If your provider doesn't do IPv6 then you could either use a 6to4 tunnel, or just get a connection from somebody that does do IPv6.

And it needs configuring on your internal network. If you are a business and are served by a commercial ISP then it's probably worth getting your own allocation of IPv6 (either a Provider Independent block or an AS number depending on how your RIR tackles this) so you can take them with you or multihome in future, since it affects internal addressing now that NAT is going away.

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

If your ISP can't help, you can get IPv6 over a tunnel from Hurricane Electric for free https://tunnelbroker.net/

The decreased MTU will occasionally make your life interesting.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


thebigcow posted:

If your ISP can't help, you can get IPv6 over a tunnel from Hurricane Electric for free https://tunnelbroker.net/

The decreased MTU will occasionally make your life interesting.

Warning for anyone wanting to use this at home, Netflix will prefer IPv6 and try to run over this. That used to just cause occasional performance issues but for the last year or two Netflix has just straight up blocked traffic from Hurricane's tunnel networks because they can be used to bypass geolocation.

I pretty much had to block the entirety of AWS over IPv6 to get Netflix to run over my native IPv4 connection.

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thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Youtube used to ignore MTU and just break outright.

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