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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

Can you achieve what you want with a Shopify account?

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Revalis Enai
Apr 21, 2003
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Fun Shoe

Thanks Ants posted:

Can you achieve what you want with a Shopify account?

Possibly. I took a quick look at their service and I see bits of what I'm looking for here and there. I just need to find out how customize-able it is.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




Tortured By Flan

Do not put production business on an asp.net site when you do not have access to an app.net developer who can actually figure poo poo out for you

This is how the business dies. It kills the business.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




Tortured By Flan

Alternately tell me the name of the store so that I can pwn it and the credit card information of every single person who has shopped there

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

There are a bunch of services out there that will handle online ordering. Here's two off the top of my head as ones I have ordered from before. Check the online ordering of places nearby and see what they are using. This is absolutely not something you want custom made for you.

https://pos.toasttab.com/
https://www.olo.com/

Revalis Enai
Apr 21, 2003
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Fun Shoe

Potato Salad posted:

Do not put production business on an asp.net site when you do not have access to an app.net developer who can actually figure poo poo out for you

This is how the business dies. It kills the business.

Luckily no one has used the ASP.net site because it's not fully functional and I have no access to the server to figure it out. But yeah I was afraid this was going to be a big mess.

I played around with Shopify and apparently I need to code it in myself if I want to have price per weight so I'm not sure about it so far but I'm still in trial so I'm going to keep playing around with it.

The owner wants to internalize pick up and delivery services which I warned is not a good idea because we lack the resources. We've already overworked our staff where 80% of their day is dealing with online orders, including myself.

OlO seems promising, hopefully they're not crazy expensive.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

Revalis Enai posted:

The owner wants to internalize pick up and delivery services which I warned is not a good idea because we lack the resources.

Grubhub, Yelp, DoorDash, etc., all take 30% of sales. With how much of the business is relying on deliveries and pickups now, I don't see how restaurants that don't get people to order through their own site are going to survive. A lot of places are doing 20-30% off just to try to get people to start using their site.

Revalis Enai
Apr 21, 2003
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Fun Shoe

Internet Explorer posted:

Grubhub, Yelp, DoorDash, etc., all take 30% of sales. With how much of the business is relying on deliveries and pickups now, I don't see how restaurants that don't get people to order through their own site are going to survive. A lot of places are doing 20-30% off just to try to get people to start using their site.

They wanted to avoid 3rd party services precisely to avoid the 30% they take. The owner think we can save money by shifting our employees between their main duties and picking orders/driver. I'm already seeing a lot of problems with that
especially when we are operating at minimum capacity.

From what Potato Salad said, I'm assuming there are security issues with just throwing up an ASP.net site without someone who knows what they are doing. I'm not gonna pretend to know why so I'm just looking at alternatives.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

I don't know what the potential fines are like from any US regulator, but if you gently caress the application up and leak e.g. your entire customer base with name, address, email etc. then it's not unlikely that you'll get sued out of existence.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

Revalis Enai posted:

They wanted to avoid 3rd party services precisely to avoid the 30% they take. The owner think we can save money by shifting our employees between their main duties and picking orders/driver. I'm already seeing a lot of problems with that
especially when we are operating at minimum capacity.

I'm pretty sure these storefronts are just an upfront cost or very small amount per order. They aren't driving users to your restaurant like Grubhub or Yelp are.

This might be helpful.
https://9fold.me/the-ultimate-guide...dering-systems/

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Roll something together using Magento and whatever integration they have with whatever your accounting system is.

NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Apr 24, 2004



With these past couple of months of enforced work-from-home for a lot of my users I'm getting questions about if desk phones need to be considered as part of next phone system upgrade, or if we can have everyone do headsets + softphone. I never used my handset even when I wasn't WFH so to me it's a big fat duh, and the time spent on training/expectation setting is worth the investment. What do you think?

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003



Honestly it depends on your company/department's skillset. If it's high in boomer content, the desk phones are probably worth the investment if you can't bring in additional support.

As someone who runs Cisco Finesse in a pilot program to do this, that's been my experience.

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!


Revalis Enai posted:

From what Potato Salad said, I'm assuming there are security issues with just throwing up an ASP.net site without someone who knows what they are doing. I'm not gonna pretend to know why so I'm just looking at alternatives.

The local place near me that does takeout only went with these guys: https://www.gloriafood.com/ - A basic operation/site is free, and generally works. Frills obviously start costing extra.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



Revalis Enai posted:

They wanted to avoid 3rd party services precisely to avoid the 30% they take. The owner think we can save money by shifting our employees between their main duties and picking orders/driver. I'm already seeing a lot of problems with that
especially when we are operating at minimum capacity.

From what Potato Salad said, I'm assuming there are security issues with just throwing up an ASP.net site without someone who knows what they are doing. I'm not gonna pretend to know why so I'm just looking at alternatives.

Bunch of the local restaurants here started using MobileBytes for their online ordering.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

With these past couple of months of enforced work-from-home for a lot of my users I'm getting questions about if desk phones need to be considered as part of next phone system upgrade, or if we can have everyone do headsets + softphone. I never used my handset even when I wasn't WFH so to me it's a big fat duh, and the time spent on training/expectation setting is worth the investment. What do you think?

Are you in M365? I'm slowly developing in my head a platform to leverage TEAMS phone support with my PBX using one of these teams friendly session border controllers. Talked to my pbx reseller and they went to the PBX company and did their own research and it should work.

The reason i'm keeping the pbx in the loop is 1) juuuust bought it 2)phone recordings 3) entrenched voip phones.

The added bonus is now I can buy and deploy phones like the CCX 400 that will use teams but can call people on the old phone system.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

The idea of moving to a cloud phone system but still relying on an on-prem device and an on-prem circuit doesn't make much sense to me. We were recently going through a similar evaluation of Teams as a PBX. To me, either we use Microsoft as a VOIP provider or we don't do it. There are tons of cloud voice gateway services out there, but Microsoft does not currently support them. Apparently that's in the works and shouldn't be too much longer, but who knows.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



Internet Explorer posted:

The idea of moving to a cloud phone system but still relying on an on-prem device and an on-prem circuit doesn't make much sense to me. We were recently going through a similar evaluation of Teams as a PBX. To me, either we use Microsoft as a VOIP provider or we don't do it. There are tons of cloud voice gateway services out there, but Microsoft does not currently support them. Apparently that's in the works and shouldn't be too much longer, but who knows.

We're looking at for two reasons:
1) we don't have to move our phone numbers
2) it allows us to run our existing phone system along side Teams for a low impact transition period

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Call recordings are a BIG thing in many industries. I can't do all cloud till they do this (and the time table is "eventually" which means adding more background in teams meeting tech to stay competitive with ZOOM first).

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

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Fun Shoe

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

With these past couple of months of enforced work-from-home for a lot of my users I'm getting questions about if desk phones need to be considered as part of next phone system upgrade, or if we can have everyone do headsets + softphone. I never used my handset even when I wasn't WFH so to me it's a big fat duh, and the time spent on training/expectation setting is worth the investment. What do you think?

If you can get rid of desk phones then you get rid of a major reason for PoE switches to exist. If someone who calls the shots is asking if you support getting rid of them then the answer is yes, every time. Usually when we talk to people about whether they want to keep desk phones it's the C-levels that want them.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002


Jade Ear Joe

We just upgraded to a cloud service, CommandLink, and it's been fine. You can use a desk phone if you want or a soft phone. Some folks took their desk home to use it because they just like the form factor better.

Also you can pay to record all calls in the cloud or just plug in a USB stick to the handset and record there.

Spring Heeled Jack
Feb 25, 2007


incoherent posted:

Call recordings are a BIG thing in many industries. I can't do all cloud till they do this (and the time table is "eventually" which means adding more background in teams meeting tech to stay competitive with ZOOM first).

We do a lot of this in auto insurance, e.g. ‘recorded statements’. We run Avaya IP Office on-prem and it’s starting to feel like we’ll never get to a hosted VOIP system.

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

I have a question about Windows Server 2019 Standard licensing re: VMs and Hyper-V.

I'd like to buy a server (say, 1x 16core CPU to make it easy) to run two instances of Server 2018 in VMs. Assume I'm buying enough licensing to cover all 16 cores (and the server 16core minimum).

As I understand it, said fully licensed server could run:

1x Server instance juuuust to run/manage Hyper-V guests--a hypervisor

2x VM instances of Server

Q1) Am I correct about this?

Q2) If yes, how does activation work? Do I buy a product key and use it three times, once to activate each Server instance?

Q3) Rookie question: Where do I buy the license? Last time when I whiteboxed a server for a pet project, it was just 8C16T, and I just bought a legit copy from AMZN or Newegg or such.

Thanks for your help, folks. I love to lurk In these threads and would honestly be grateful for some guidance.

(It'll be a while other topic when I get to the part where I look for a place to rent out space for it to live in a data center... Any good place to BYOShit to a rack with a sold reputation within driving distance of Vancouver, WA?)

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


I think the goon in SA Mart sells server licenses, for a pet project (non-prod) I would trust those just fine, I run his windows 10 licenses and haven't had issues (at home).

Provided you have licensed all cores in the box, you can run hyper-v (and NO other roles) on your bare metal and then 2 VMs running whatever.

You just activate the hyper-v server and both VMs with the key

MF_James fucked around with this message at 23:07 on May 29, 2020

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

Yup, I've bought me-project Server keys from BT, you bet.


This is for my workplace, so we need to pay full boat (and have zero problem with that--I've got a generous budget). Thanks for the suggestion, though.

That's good info to have. I know the bare metal just can't be a DC/file server/anything-but-Hyper-V-Manager, gotcha.

Interesting to know. I was afraid that when I try to use the key the second (and third) times, it'd fail activation due to the repetition. 😀

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MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


Tapedump posted:

Yup, I've bought me-project Server keys from BT, you bet.


This is for my workplace, so we need to pay full boat (and have zero problem with that--I've got a generous budget). Thanks for the suggestion, though.

That's good info to have. I know the bare metal just can't be a DC/file server/anything-but-Hyper-V-Manager, gotcha.

Interesting to know. I was afraid that when I try to use the key the second (and third) times, it'd fail activation due to the repetition. 😀

Nope, won't fail, I'm not 100% sure how it works as I haven't tried to activate a key a bunch but I think you get X amount of activations (like 100 iirc). That way if you blow up a VM, rebuild and re-use the key you actually can, but if they see a bunch check into the microsoft servers with the same keys they're probably going to blacklist them.

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