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Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Yaos posted:

The player character in Skyrim is voiced.

Actual dialogue isn't the same thing as uttering sound effects. Unless you consider Link a voiced character.

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Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

AlternateAccount posted:

Super good job cancelling Prey 2 to make this Bethesda. A+ decision making.

Agreed.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

KillerQueen posted:

I didn't like VATS, but I get why people used it. However, as someone who didn't use VATS in NV, I hope the perks that just make weapons more accurate in VATS will do something else as well for 4.

Higher crit chance on (body part) outside of it? That'd be pretty translatable for stuff like Sniper, but I dunno if something like Gunslinger or Commando would be too broken if it created a higher crit chance anywhere.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

SunAndSpring posted:

I keep hearing people ask for the Elder Scrolls leveling system in Fallout and it's pretty dumb. XP gives you incentives to go questing, while that stat grinding poo poo in the Elder Scrolls makes leveling up feel like a chore. Some people say the Elder Scrolls way is "more immersive" or some such poo poo, but I really don't care.

gently caress that poo poo, Oblivion and Morrowind's leveling system was godawful. I don't like being forced into using certain skills to manage how quickly my characters level up, because the alternative is getting absolutely destroyed by a game that grew up too fast around your character. It got better in Skyrim, but god help you if you wanted to build up a secondary combat skill late in the game. Fallout is perfect since you can complete objectives in any fashion you want, and build up skills when you think they'll be most useful.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

OwlFancier posted:

+1 for no TES leveling, it sort of works for TES but fallout is a nice change and I like being given a bucket of XP as a reward. Main change I'd suggest is giving out fewer skill points as it's pretty easy to go from complete noob to perfect mastery of a skill in five levels with decent intelligence. More levels, more perks, fewer skill points per level would be better.

Becoming an invisible murder ninja before hitting level 10 is one of the best things about the game. New Vegas had the skill points balanced out pretty well, IMO. Once you get past level 30 it doesn't hurt to try out some different forms of combat.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

OwlFancier posted:

Eh, I find it makes the game a bit dull when combined with how much your numbers determine your abilities.

Uhh, RPGs may not be for you, then.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Fallout has a lot more instances of good dialogue than TES, and seems to be a lot more about shaping the world around you (well, NV and 2). The Jarl swap is one of the few things that comes to mind in Skyrim, but all that meant was more miscellaneous objectives to complete before you can get away with murder again. In NV you get to choose the type of relations you have with every major community in the game.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

SunAndSpring posted:

Wasn't New Vegas more faction based than morality? Are you thinking of the same game I am?

I got confused by that, too. The only Karma check I remember was the one to do the bad side of Beyond The Beef.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Volkerball posted:

the kind of game you can play for hundreds of hours and still think of something new and fun to try.

To be fair, that also applies to New Vegas and Skyrim. So really, just do something as good as New Vegas, but a little better looking and more cool stuff.

quote:

their games are so ugly and retardedly designed as to barely qualify as video games at all

I feel like I should call you a fetcher or something.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Cool thing I'd like to see in 4: Bonus perks for building a skill up to 100. Combat skills could have bonuses to stuff like crit rate, weapon degradation and/or accuracy boosts. Crafting skills could allow items requiring that skill to be crafted anywhere. Lockpick could have a 100% force lock success rate for average locks or below (or replace the Infiltrator perk). Barter could allow a greater number of caps available from any merchant. Speech might give you an option to temporarily render an ambush party non-hostile (like Legion Assassins).

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Or continue having a lame main quest and have all the other stuff be that much better.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

I really liked the guild quests apart from the Companions, but the radiant stuff was really dumb.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

khy posted:


Skyrim's guild questlines suffered from being too short (likely due to radiant quests) and not having decent skill checks for relevant skills (Seriously, two loving spells to become an archmage?). Thieves Guild was a good example of how it should have been - bunch of radiant quests you could do to flesh out the guild, didn't prevent you from advancing in the main TG questline if you didn't do them, but if you did they rewarded you with extra vendors + gold + whatever. Not saying I liked the TG quest itself, just that I liked how they mixed the main questline with the radiant quests without shortening it too much.

The Guild jobs did own, and having the bonus of being able to bribe guards to clear your name without confiscating equipment was huge. I hated that you were left to the mercy of random city selection, because on the last city it always seem to take about 7-10 jobs to get the one you needed. The actual Thieves Guild story was dumb, but the missions themselves are a lot of fun, especially if a low-to-no-kill approach is taken.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

You can just stand there picking your nose and get admonished in the "neutral" ending, which is always a nice change of pace.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

computer parts posted:

Point Lookout has the atmosphere down but is full of bullet sponges.

Its really funny story-wise, but the bullet sponges coupled with having to play tower defense can really make it a chore.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

sout posted:

Do you actually drink a coke every time you have one in-game because that sounds like a really bad idea.

Hardcore mode: Jet.

On that note, I thought Myron invented Jet in Fallout 2. How did it become so prevalent on the east coast so quickly?

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Look Sir Droids posted:

I'm going to make this my Fallout 4 approach. I always play a stealth character first. I bet it'll be tough playing drunk stealth. New wrinkle.

Its not bad IRL, you can drink while you wait for the sneakometer to go back to [Hidden].

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

chitoryu12 posted:

I think this is the actual reason. There's no explanation given for Jet showing up on the East Coast, so you just kinda have to guess that in the decades it made its way across the country. Same with conveniently using Nuka-Cola caps as currency like in the first Fallout.

I guess if anything would make it that far across the country, in that large of quantities, it would be crack.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Wolfsheim posted:

And while that may be slightly better for your head-canon, most (filthy casual) gamers want a voiced and somewhat defined character you can push in different directions, because then the game-world will actually react to this character.

Since you're bringing me into this, yeah, I would like to see the world react to me a lot more. It just doesn't require a voiced protagonist to achieve that. If I get caught being a douchebag to people, I expect to be treated as such. I always felt like that was a missed opportunity with all the unique clothing in the game that people didn't react to anything but partial nudity. Naughty Nightwear/Sexy Sleepwear could elicit cat calls, certain Power Armors might warrant some hushed whispers. Stealth armor gets "can't be much of a ninja if I can see you".

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Wolfsheim posted:

Wasn't that gender specific, though? Like if you're a girl you gently caress the guy's son and as a guy you gently caress his daughter. At least that's the way I remember it :shrug:

I think that's right. You could also bang someone in the Den (Metzger?) and T-Ray in New Reno to save a lot of hassle rescuing Vic/getting your car back. I liked that your gender did end up having some impactful, quest-related moments.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Grinning Goblin posted:

They should make the Dark Brotherhood really hard to join in the next TES game just by virtue of trying to find the one NPC you can murder that won't be essential.

I, for one, am eagerly looking forward to the invincible homeless.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

sout posted:

What I worry about is that the power armour sections will basically be setpieces, like does every player have to use the minigun to mow down raiders?

I noticed the player turned level 2 when talking to Preston, so if you went right to this set piece out of the Vault it'd likely the best weapon available.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

If they can put a silencer on an assault rifle, they can put a silencer on anything. Its ninja time. :getin:

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Phlegmish posted:

The guilds are good, they just need to be written less retardedly. Looking at you, Thieves' Guild.

The whole Gallus/Mercer/Karliah thing was hella dumb, but I hope a lot of other Thieves' Guild stuff remains/gets improved. The jobs were pretty fun, and the reward of being able to bribe your way out of getting caught murdering someone in a major city is cool. Also their training room actually had things that would increase a skill, instead of target dummies just for show.

Really needed an enchanting table, though. Maybe some bonuses for not killing anyone on a main quest job, including the marks' bodyguards.

F3 DLC
1. Point Lookout: best played after level 20 because they really ramp up the bullet spongie-ness
2. Broken Steel: The main missions are meh, but a lot of what they added to show reconstruction and water distribution are really cool
3. The Pitt: Pretty decent all around, but nothing spectacular
4. Operation Anchorage: First mission has a cool Goldeneye feel, the rest is lame, but it has my fave loot between the Gauss Rifle and Stealth Armor
5. Mothership Zeta: You're better off listening to all the captive's recordings on YouTube.

Filthy Casual fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 13, 2015

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Phlegmish posted:

What I disliked most of all besides the nonsensical plot was that they kept talking poo poo to my face even after I became Guild Master. The flavor lines in particular didn't seem to change at all, so they would still start insulting you as soon as you stepped into the room.

Agreed, the ambient dialogue really needed to step up. Delvin was the only one remotely respectful, and only then if you directly engaged him in conversation. I like that everyone's a douche in the beginning, they just forgot/didn't care/ran out of time to progress beyond that. Seemed like that was an issue with more than just the Thieves Guild.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Why the hell couldn't you romance a Ghoul? All the parts still work, judging by what the NPCs say. I can understand no Super Mutants because they lost their genitals, but that poo poo's racist.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Shugojin posted:

Also it had at least as much to do as Fallout 3 so holy lol if you think a publishing company would do anything other than full-price it

Even more, really. Camp Searchlight is the only place that even looked like Fallout 3.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Flaky posted:

They were handed everything they needed to make the game by Bethesda. Rope Kid admitted in the previous thread that no-one at Obsidian had any prior experience with them. They were flying blind basically the whole time. Whether you think that represents an efficient use of time, it resulted in a worse game.

All the more remarkable they made a superior game in all the ways that truly mattered. Story > Ruin Porn.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Ak Gara posted:

What happens when guns finally get added to an Elderscrolls game :confused:

Is it really a bigger stretch than a crossbow? Personally, I think it'd be cool if they added more martial arts stuff and let you do combos for elemental bending, like how Shouts could be used as a magic substitute.

Basically, I'm trying to say Bryke needs to write Elder Scrolls VI. Also Fallout.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

marktheando posted:

How are crossbows a stretch?

They aren't. Given that this game series literally has giant robots armed with ballistas, I don't see why guns would be all that hard to accept. Unless there somehow isn't an explosive powder ingredient in any installment.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Raygereio posted:

Just like in many other fantasy settings, gunpowder doesn't exist in Elder Scrolls.

Which is fine, but there isn't any logical reason why it wouldn't beyond it not being Tamriel's bag, baby.

Also, on the topic of items, I always let my Stimpaks pile up as a way of gauging how much better I'm doing between playthroughs. NV's DLC tends to eat it up pretty quick, but in 3 I would usually have 200+ lying around in my inventory by level 20.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Azhais posted:


I think they ousted the cheap company after season 2 and went back entirely to the one from season 1 after everyone complained about it, but I never got past season 2 to verify.

You missed out, Season 3 even trumps TLA. Also, it ended a little better as well, I always thought Kataraang seemed forced and they don't shoehorn any poo poo like that into season 4.

Also liking the infinite leveling, even though I'll probably just stop and make a new character after hitting level 30 or so.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Cojawfee posted:

I sent one guy out with just a pistol because I didn't like him. This is a good game to check on during breaks.

"We need you to find a Water Chip!"

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Lookit this guy who doesn't know about Motown. The Temptations? Marvin Gaye? Martha and the Vandellas? Now that would be a soundtrack.

It'll probably never happen unfortunately, since Detroit would be a great setting for a Fallout game. You've got the RenCen right on the river, the Masonic Temple, the Packard Plant, the Detroit Institute of Arts, Greenfield Village out in Dearborn, the old Tank Arsenal in Warren, multiple airports, and of course the River Rouge plant. Not to mention Windsor just across the river.

Battle music is Nowhere to Run. The stadium/casino area downtown could fulfill a hub area like the Strip quite nicely. The Tank Arsenal is particularly great because it borders 696, which means its a perfect locale for another Liberty Prime-style final march. While the People Mover is functionally useless IRL, the tracks could be awfully handy for getting around the downtown area, like the elevated highways should have been in 3. Cobo Hall/Arena could lend itself to a really cool dungeon as well.

Been wanting Fallout: Motor City for a while yet. Hopefully Coney Dogs will be a top tier healing item.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Ak Gara posted:

I remember back in F3 this one sprint mod let you run fast enough that you'd be out of the explosion radius.

I can recall outrunning the blast, at least far enough to not take damage, in sneak mode in F3 after I got Agility to 10. No mods, though.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

I'm not sure I can handle wading through the comments about how bad the streamers are, but I have a question. Is there a point where your character gets to tag certain perks or SPECIAL points during the Vault segment or are you largely stuck with what you fill out from the Vault-Tec guy?

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Mokinokaro posted:

At the very end of the vault segment (similar to the end of all the "tutorial" bits of most Bethesda games) there's a menu that lets you completely reroll your character's name, appearance and set perks/stats.

Thanks, kind of a bummer you can't get a head start on your character's focus, but at least there's a baseline competence for most tasks in the game.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

Father Wendigo posted:

gently caress Seattle, man; Chicago's where it's at. Just imagine the blues heavy soundtrack blasting while you're on the run from mob soldiers.

It'd be even more badass if they featured some ghoulified John Hughes character cameos. You can save Ferris (get charisma bobblehead), help John Bender steal something from a school. Then take in a show from the Blues Brothers.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

On the bright side, its still better than Fallout 3's main quest.

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Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

MechanicalTomPetty posted:

I'd love to see a Fallout game set in Detroit, if only because post-apocalyptic Detroit sounds like a genuine improvement over real-life Detroit.

We're already having water crises over here! Last year a bunch of people in the city got their water shut off for not paying the bill, currently in Flint the water is poisoned, there's your main quest right there. Project Purity II: Electric Boogaloo.

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