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Owl at Home
Dec 25, 2014

Well hoot, I don't know if I can say no to that

Twanki posted:

Holy crap, that reminds me of this incredibly obscure cartoon that showed up in the early 90's.
I knew there was something odd about the weird way some of the characters movements had this strange smoothness to them, any ideas what kind of techniques were used?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ek076NK6Rw

I would be really interested to see how this was made. It definitely has a digital look too it; I'm curious to see how exactly they did all the skewing and scaling for this type of thing in 1992. There is very little from so early that looks as Flash-like as that.

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Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

EvilGenius posted:

I imagine doing proper cartoon animation was right pain in the arse in that case, hence it was mostly used in basic presentation style images.

Yeah, going off of Wikipedia it was mostly used for text and title effects, like these :krad: old sports bumpers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispW6-7b2sA

It's also what they used for the old "Neon Mickey" bumper that apparently half the internet was scared of as children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq0gwpYYX3I

Ready! Set! Blow!
Jun 17, 2005

Red alert.
"And Jesus wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXGsvlnn1Cs

Tuxedo Ted
Apr 24, 2007

Questworld. Questworld? Questworld!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UweoBqSChCg

QUESTWORLD

I wonder how much those Questworld episodes of the Real Adventures of Jonny Quest cost back in the day?

mirrors displaying real-time reflections!!!

Fearless_Decoy
Sep 27, 2001

You shall all soon witness the power of my Tragic 8-Ball!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ04BG7TfA

Pet Shop Boys - Go West

Mid 90's? Check.
Green Screen insertions? Check.
Cloned backup singers/dancers? Check.
Random beach ball colored geometric shapes? Check.

Autechresaint
Jan 25, 2012
I am trying to track down something I was remember reading through as a teenager. It was a japanese cg art book that was about some sort of train station and scientist looking men. It was kind of steampunky, but in the early to mid 90s. I don't know if it was part of a bigger animation, or if it was all just done for the artbook. Google has failed me so far.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Autechresaint posted:

I am trying to track down something I was remember reading through as a teenager. It was a japanese cg art book that was about some sort of train station and scientist looking men. It was kind of steampunky, but in the early to mid 90s. I don't know if it was part of a bigger animation, or if it was all just done for the artbook. Google has failed me so far.

Maybe something related to Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure? It was a big enough thing at the time to get its own art book. Speaking of 90s CGI...

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
I don't understand, you just posted a photograph of, wait WOAAA.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

Let a preschool kid loose on YouTube and you find all sorts of bizarre genres you'd never thought existed. Amateur 'animations' which are essentially just adults playing with toys. Hours of unwrapping kinder eggs. And these:

https://youtu.be/HuKRvszgNR4

What someone appears to have done is gotten hold of some Frozen character models (most likely from that Kingdom Hearts game, or something), rigged them up, and made them dance to kids songs.

The results are hilariously amateur. I chose the particular clip above because of some unfortunate clipping of Rapunzel's dress about half way through.

Chocolate Teapot
May 8, 2009

Fearless_Decoy posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ04BG7TfA

Pet Shop Boys - Go West

Mid 90's? Check.
Green Screen insertions? Check.
Cloned backup singers/dancers? Check.
Random beach ball colored geometric shapes? Check.

More UK stuff? Okay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y2CD4_urvo
The Chart Show absolutely revelled in this sort of thing (add to the fact that it's an easy way to dig up music videos with awful graphics), though it never went for freakish humans or other "living" things.

Autechresaint
Jan 25, 2012

Hakkesshu posted:

Maybe something related to Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure? It was a big enough thing at the time to get its own art book. Speaking of 90s CGI...



Yup! Thanks. I didn't know it was a game at some point. I only knew of the artbook. I think the artbook had better rendered shots because I don't remember it looking this bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58MMwxTSvM

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Cool! Yeah that game is super weird. You can actually get a "HD" version of it on iOS that looks slightly better than that.

Speaking of art books, most of you have probably heard of Zdzislaw Beksinski, a Polish painter who's become internet famous after his death for his absolutely stunning, nightmarish artwork. So a few years ago I bought his art book which is apparently pretty rare these days, but it's funny because it features some of his very last works, where he was evidently just starting to get into computers. Clearly he... was working with new and foreign tools.

So you go from this:



To this:





pfs Write
Jun 29, 2014

get/save/remove
There was a 90s CGI fmv adventure game that had you as a robot (like mars rover type) going around an island with things warping in to attack you. It had a 90s as gently caress house theme song (complete with female vocalist/male rapper) I think it had some environmental message. Anyone remember the name?

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
After Last Season is a movie that came out in 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpXT9FztleI

For something not completely garbage/actually on topic here's a 1983 animation test for a hybrid 3d CGI/2d hand-drawn animated adaptation of Where The Wild Things Are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvIDRoO8KnM

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Hakkesshu posted:

Speaking of art books, most of you have probably heard of Zdzislaw Beksinski, a Polish painter who's become internet famous after his death for his absolutely stunning, nightmarish artwork. So a few years ago I bought his art book which is apparently pretty rare these days, but it's funny because it features some of his very last works, where he was evidently just starting to get into computers. Clearly he... was working with new and foreign tools.

Now I'm imagining what Beksinski could've done with modern CGI and it's making me sad.

The closest approximation I've seen was the level design in the Necromancer's Abyss section in one of the recent Castlevania games.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Komojo posted:

That sounds like one of the clips in Beyond the Mind's Eye. According to the credits, it's from a short film called Wired directed by Matt Forrest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCzUjxORhqA
It is! Thanks for that.

As for more bad CG from the 90's: Titanic: An Adventure out of Time, which was well regarded back then as it was the first attempt to re-create the ship that footage from the game was used in a few documentaries about the sinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIEBLXi6p-o

This is so much worse than I remember, it's hilarious.

lllllllllllllllllll
Feb 28, 2010

Now the scene's lighting is perfect!
Haven't seen this posted yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eacxC3D4uo

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.

Komojo posted:

That sounds like one of the clips in Beyond the Mind's Eye. According to the credits, it's from a short film called Wired directed by Matt Forrest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCzUjxORhqA

There's a short shot in there of a complete family of eyeballs, that animation was later expanded upon for a series of commercials about the dutch movieratings (iirc).

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

Hakkesshu posted:

Cool! Yeah that game is super weird. You can actually get a "HD" version of it on iOS that looks slightly better than that.

Speaking of art books, most of you have probably heard of Zdzislaw Beksinski, a Polish painter who's become internet famous after his death for his absolutely stunning, nightmarish artwork. So a few years ago I bought his art book which is apparently pretty rare these days, but it's funny because it features some of his very last works, where he was evidently just starting to get into computers. Clearly he... was working with new and foreign tools.

So you go from this:



To this:







You could run these through Google's Dog-Shoggoth Deep Dream generator thingy and get images closer to what Beksinski intended I think.

Trebek
Mar 7, 2002
College Slice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfqdaAGqmSk

FinnDiesel
Feb 13, 2013


Therion's album art of Theli is a fine example of lovely CGI. What the hell is that armadillo-dog-man supposed to be?

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
I think you answered your own question.

I don't know why his torso is blurred to poo poo, like it's from the first Unreal game though.

Push a button for lovely 80s transition effects.. Actually quite an interesting clip from Tomorrow's World explaining how those effects were computed. I always figured they were done with a kind of texture map, but it doesn't really work like that.

EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 17:36 on Jul 11, 2015

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49

Jibo posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI3n0JpEyAM

I thought this was pretty awesome at the time.

gently caress yes I loved this game. Bullfrog productions was good

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
1999 was also the year Janet Jackson decided to team up for two of the most expensive and CGI riddled videos of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcozjXK-850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74eypmyV2xo

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
It's a well known fact the money on the Bustah video went on Janet's push-up bra.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


I remembered watching this show the other day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI1z9I9WN_A

Mildly Amusing
May 2, 2012

room temperature
When I was a kid I loved Mortal Kombat. I had the first movie on VHS, but I also had Mortal Kombat: The Journey Begins. It was a lovely little animated prequel to the movie released in 1995 that featured a few scenes of really bad CGI.

But don't just take my word for it, here's the movie in full:
https://youtu.be/mLI4Tpy-HKU?t=8m39s

If the first time code doesn't work, go to 8:39. When you're done with that scene skip ahead to 15:50 for another example, then 22:00, then finally 25:33.

Even loving Mortal Kombat 4, released two years after, had better graphics than this piece of poo poo. For comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-bVG3NRbVM

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Mildly Amusing posted:

When I was a kid I loved Mortal Kombat. I had the first movie on VHS, but I also had Mortal Kombat: The Journey Begins. It was a lovely little animated prequel to the movie released in 1995 that featured a few scenes of really bad CGI.

But don't just take my word for it, here's the movie in full:
https://youtu.be/mLI4Tpy-HKU?t=8m39s

If the first time code doesn't work, go to 8:39. When you're done with that scene skip ahead to 15:50 for another example, then 22:00, then finally 25:33.

Even loving Mortal Kombat 4, released two years after, had better graphics than this piece of poo poo. For comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-bVG3NRbVM

The boat set is okay, but you should jump to 9:00 instead to see some real shoddy CGI.

ebilflindas
Sep 16, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqQwzgixHAM
wait for it...

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

You could run these through Google's Dog-Shoggoth Deep Dream generator thingy and get images closer to what Beksinski intended I think.

Arguably an improvement!


Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
Anastasia (1997) isn't too badly animated as far as Don Bluth's twitchy rotoscoped 2d animation goes but there's one scene where he tries to mesh 2d characters with a 3d ship being tossed about at sea in the middle of the night during a storm and it looks horrendous. I don't know why he even did it because the scene is almost completely extraneous and every element of the scene is something that was difficult to animate with the limits of CGI at that time: lighting, particles, water, compositing, you name it.

And then rather than learning his lesson he doubled-down on CGI in Titan AE and tanked his career.

overeager overeater
Oct 16, 2011

"The cosmonauts were transfixed with wonderment as the sun set - over the Earth - there lucklessly, untethered Comrade Todd on fire."



It's technically not pre-2000s, but this thread is probably the most appropriate for Vince Collins' forays into CGI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgp5TasjEY

Sir Nose
Mar 28, 2009


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lIlROWro8

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

At 2:18, Pugsley does the 2 Legit hand thing backwards.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Sleeveless posted:

Anastasia (1997) isn't too badly animated as far as Don Bluth's twitchy rotoscoped 2d animation goes but there's one scene where he tries to mesh 2d characters with a 3d ship being tossed about at sea in the middle of the night during a storm and it looks horrendous. I don't know why he even did it because the scene is almost completely extraneous and every element of the scene is something that was difficult to animate with the limits of CGI at that time: lighting, particles, water, compositing, you name it.

And then rather than learning his lesson he doubled-down on CGI in Titan AE and tanked his career.

The CGI in Titan A.E came in two flavours: the acceptable but dated starships, and the "what the gently caress were they thinking?" Drej monstrosities.

That alien on the far right is what most of the movie looks like, just for comparison. It's a shame, because as far as rotoscoping goes, the rest of the film has got some really pretty character animation that is let down by a bunch of bad decisions regarding art direction.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Arcsquad12 posted:

The CGI in Titan A.E came in two flavours: the acceptable but dated starships, and the "what the gently caress were they thinking?" Drej monstrosities.

That alien on the far right is what most of the movie looks like, just for comparison. It's a shame, because as far as rotoscoping goes, the rest of the film has got some really pretty character animation that is let down by a bunch of bad decisions regarding art direction.

What really drives home how poor it is is that not two years later Disney would put out Treasure Planet which, while not a very good movie, manages to do just about everything Titan A.E. tried with CGI only a zillion times better in every way.

Of course the same year that Titan A.E. came out Disney ruined half of the segments of Fantasia 2000 by making them CGI so even they weren't completely immune.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Sleeveless posted:

What really drives home how poor it is is that not two years later Disney would put out Treasure Planet which, while not a very good movie, manages to do just about everything Titan A.E. tried with CGI only a zillion times better in every way.

Of course the same year that Titan A.E. came out Disney ruined half of the segments of Fantasia 2000 by making them CGI so even they weren't completely immune.

Both films sit in that weird transitional bubble around the end of the 90s when CGI filmmaking was becoming bigger. It wasn't limited to the US either. Anime did the whole CGI thing as well, with some pretty awful results. Blue Submarine No. 6 has some loving horrendous CGI while also having some real good animation otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_GxHmiqvkY

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
It's not like they hadn't used CGI alongside animation before, stuff like that talking cave head in Aladdin, the stampede in Lion King or the cogs in the Mouse Detective showed they were able to blend stuff in convincingly during the early 90's.

Also at that time in the 90's they were moving to digital paint systems like CAPS.

Der Luftwaffle
Dec 29, 2008

Arcsquad12 posted:

The CGI in Titan A.E came in two flavours: the acceptable but dated starships, and the "what the gently caress were they thinking?" Drej monstrosities.

That alien on the far right is what most of the movie looks like, just for comparison. It's a shame, because as far as rotoscoping goes, the rest of the film has got some really pretty character animation that is let down by a bunch of bad decisions regarding art direction.

I guess they got too excited with the CG possibilities and tried to showcase it a little too much. The Drej were pretty ill-fitting but I remember the scenes near the end with the ice fields being breathtaking, and they hold up really well even now.

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Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Arcsquad12 posted:

The CGI in Titan A.E came in two flavours: the acceptable but dated starships, and the "what the gently caress were they thinking?" Drej monstrosities.

That alien on the far right is what most of the movie looks like, just for comparison. It's a shame, because as far as rotoscoping goes, the rest of the film has got some really pretty character animation that is let down by a bunch of bad decisions regarding art direction.

I watched Titan AE last year and I don't remember this at all. In fact I remember literally nothing about it. What a great film.

Sleeveless posted:

What really drives home how poor it is is that not two years later Disney would put out Treasure Planet which, while not a very good movie, manages to do just about everything Titan A.E. tried with CGI only a zillion times better in every way.

Of course the same year that Titan A.E. came out Disney ruined half of the segments of Fantasia 2000 by making them CGI so even they weren't completely immune.

I've not seen Fantasia 2000 - what was so bad about it? Looking up a few clips on Youtube that CGI looks pretty loving good for the time.

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