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AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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Brock Samson posted:

Yeah, she killed him for ______ reason (crazyness), shoved tongue down to say he attacked her and choked of his own accord.

Why was I under the impression that that Hannibal had somehow convinced that guy (Quinto) to attack/ kill Bedelia (or maybe she was under that impression also and maybe that's why she attacked first ? ). Was that not a thing that was mention or heavily implied in the show and I imagined it?

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AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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Yeah, they are riding hard on the vibe of dream-like/ hypnotizing direction for the episodes.

I loved the episode by the way (though I did feel confused about being sick to my stomach and enjoying the imagery and food porn- as intended ). Definitely my idea of great television.

Also,
- Is it that kind of party?
- It's not that kind of party.
- No, it really isn't.

I really like that the dialogues in the series seem to go to unexpected directions, thankfully not in a way that is forced or disconnected from what is going on. This is not the best example of this - it's more an example of the series humor. But it did catch me by surprise.

AbstractNapper fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 5, 2015

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Jun 5, 2011

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Noirex posted:

I was wrecking my brain trying to figure out why Tom Wisdom looked so familiar and finally remembered he plays the Archangel Micheal on Dominion. Which in a show that is arguably about Lucifer is sort of fitting I suppose.
For a few seconds, when he is standing far from Hannibal in his first scene, I thought "is this a long haired Lee Pace?".

Isn't it high time Lee Pace made a guest (or otherwise) appearance in Fuller's Hannibal, anyway?

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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speshl guy posted:

I'm surprised to learn Bryan Fuller's previous notable works only really include Heroes and Star Trek, and that the cinematographer doesn't even have a wikipedia page, because this show is aesthetically (and ethically) the most beautiful show I've ever seen.
Pushing Daisies did some wonderful things with the show's photography. You knew from the first episode that it was doing something extraordinary because that show looked so unique.

Wonderfalls and maybe Dead like Me also had some of that but not to the same degree.

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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So, is it implied that Dimmond would blackmail Hannibal, and is that why he killed him?

I think that based on the "observe or participate" dialogue, that Bedelia either revealed to Dimmond that Hannibal was a serial killer (and a cannibal) in between the scenes when they arrive at home and Hannibal attacks Dimmond, or Bedelia was behind Dimmond arriving on Florence in the first place...

What did you get from that scene and dialogue?

Also random recurring thought as I was watching the episode; I would watch the crap out of a Streetcar Named Desire version with Gillian Anderson as Blanche and Mads as Stanley, preferrably in Italian.

(fake edit: and google says that apparently Gillian has already played Blanche in an award winning performance and quite recently she resumed that role for a short film prequel named "The Departure")

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Jun 5, 2011

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esperterra posted:

Last season she told Crawford that Hannibal persuaded her to kill the patient, is that what you were getting confused?

Hmm, maybe. I actually didn't remember this.

I thought what probably happened was something along the lines that hope and vaseline describes.

Also, in the "previously on" there was a scene where Bedelia talks to Hannibal and says that she doubts his actions with regard to her attack (or something like this). And about that same time (I think), or maybe later on, Hannibal sent that psychopath who acted like a wild animal to attack Will (which might be where the idea that Hannibal manipulated a patient to attack Bedelia came from)..

This seems to be a thing that Hannibal does for funsies (in the movies too). Sending psychopaths after people he knows (hates, or otherwise).

Still, I'll probably need to rewatch season 2.

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Jun 5, 2011

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muscles like this? posted:

It was kind of funny how the premier avoided anything that would answer questions from last seasons cliffhanger and then they run a preview that just up and spoils who survived.
That was weird. It was an interesting choice but it resulted in an almost self contained and focused episode.

Also, for anyone new to the series, many of its previews for the next episode(s) were filled with spoilers, giving away major plot points (eg deaths or return of important characters) and I can't remember if they were ever a fakeout.

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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I had already figured out that Abigail was head-Abigail, (with a high probability anyway), and still cried at the reveal.

Another excellent episode.

hope and vaseline posted:

They're all walking Schroedinger's cats in Hannibal's personal fairy tale.
And I really like this observation/ idea.

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Jun 5, 2011

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FourLeaf posted:

Honestly, the idea of Hannibal's evil persisting after death and still ruining lives
I like this idea, too.
Just not the rest of it which requires a panicked Bedelia sawing her foot off, cooking and serving it and then waiting for someone to have dinner with. That I find just dumb. As a theory it may have some eerie factor and you can entertain it for a minute or two, but it doesn't hold for longer than that.
Hannibal's evil persisting could mean that a copycat is in town, or one of his victims that survived are now (somehow) getting their revenge...

And honestly, Hannibal and Will surviving the fall, even though it would subtract a lot from the impact of the finale scene, is more probable considering what we have been shown in the course of the series and in last season's finale in particular.

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AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

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So, looking back to the season's plots and characters with a somewhat clearer mind... what the hell were they thinking with Chiyoh's character?

She maybe has one episode (her first) where she is interesting, and then she is a plot device with a sniper rifle and questionable timing/motives/plans. And finally I think she went back to her home planet (?)

AbstractNapper fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 2, 2015

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