Hannibal: The Third Course Is The Final Course

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Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Hey guys, haven't checked the thread in awhile, in fact I'm just getting caught up on the last few episo

# ¿ Aug 28, 2015 00:07

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# ¿ Dec 5, 2025 17:19

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

mortons stork posted:

Of course Hannibal had to win again. ugh. I feel sorry for Jack, honestly, he's spent 3 seasons being played like Hannibal's personal harpsichord and now even by Will + the guy they're supposed to catch. I sincerely hoped that the Hannibal punch-out clockwork orange style would be a metaphor for the season, seeing him slowly beaten down and his fa�ade of invincibility demolished, but nope, showrunners really have a hard-on for their mary sue invincible cannibal killer.

Don't get me wrong: it's phenomenal television that I enjoyed watching start to finish, it's a pretty good ending, but I guess they went exactly the opposite direction than I'd liked them to, thematically speaking.

My pet theory is that Thomas Harris based Hannibal on Doc Savage, the pulp hero from the 1930s. The resemblance is too perfect, right down to strangely-coloured eyes and an unbelievably-honed sense of smell and taste, traits Savage also exhibited.

Hannibal is essentially a supervillain who is impossibly good at stuff. Especially in the novels, where he is depicted as a man in his 60s who has spent years in prison, but who nonetheless is as dangerous as a wild beast with his bare hands.

codo27 posted:

I agree the song was weak.

Steve Yun posted:

What is wrong with you people the song was awesome, it was a very Apocalypse Now moment

They picked the wrong Siouxsie song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1KCJo3Ty-0

Someones in cold storage
Seeking Heinz main-courses
Craving for a raw love
He'll hide you from the cleaver
He'll hang with you forever
Longing for a fresh meat

By hook or by crook
You'll be 1st in his book
For an impaled affair
By hook or by crook
You'll be last in his book
Of flesh oh so rare

Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love
Be a carcass, be a dead pork
Be limblessly in love, be limblessly in love
Be limblessly in love, limblessly in love

# ¿ Aug 29, 2015 02:48

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Okay, there is one aspect of this show I am a big dumb ignorant stupidface about : why does Hannibal want to kill and eat Bedelia? What did she do to offend his sense of ~~morality~~ morale?

Ekusukariba posted:

Does Bedelia even have any surgical skill? was that something ever brought up? because if not then I doubt she'd be able to remove her own leg

Although I sympathize with your point of view, I don't think that "What skills could this person believably have?" is a question to ask of any Hannibal related characters (and that goes for the books too). It's wall-to-wall serial killers turning victims into science projects and installation art.

XboxPants posted:

Yeah, they've made it pretty clear from the beginning that the reason Will empathizes so much with serial killers is because he is one tiny step away from being one himself. And he knows it, and is terrified of it, and hates that part of himself. But it's still a part of him, a constant temptation that he can't deny. Which is why he has the temptation/repulsion relationship with Hannibal - it's the same temptation/repulsion relationship he has with himself.

I don't see Will exhibiting a shred of desire to kill people when left to his own devices. Without the proximity to serial killers and their crimes he does nothing more heinous than killing and gutting fish.

Wiggy Marie posted:

- Hannibal's call to get Will's new address is pretty similar to the book. He basically flirts it out of the secretary. The difference is, Hannibal still despises Will. He gets the address because he feels Will was rude to him during their interaction, and he wants to punish him. One of Hannibal's first thoughts after getting the address is to send Will a colonoscomy bag, for old time's sake.

Incidents like this one illustrate why I had mixed feelings about Hannibal the novel, and refused to read Hannibal Rising. I've heard that Thomas Harris was laughing all the way to the bank when he wrote Hannibal, having abandoned an original plan to make the series about Crawford confronting Lecter first through proxies, then finally doing it himself. Hannibal Rising goes all the way into making Lecter a sympathetic antihero who kills Nazis for being evil or degenerates for being "rude." I wondered if I was the only reader who remembered Hannibal as quite a "rude" person himself--not only evil, but quite petty and bitter.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2015 20:43

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Sleeveless posted:

Red Dragon is the only adaptation that brought up Dollarhyde's sexual abuse as a child and actually brought his internal conflict to the forefront, Fiennes may not have been as imposing or memorable but he was the most sympathetic. And I liked how that factored into the ending where Will uses his knowledge of that abuse to taunt Dollarhyde, disarm him, and ultimately bring him down.

Having read the whole Hannibal series except for Hannibal Rising, I can only wonder how the false teeth and some other elements of Dolarhyde's character come across to people who don't know his backstory.

One of my favourite passages from Red Dragon, which was left out of every adaptation, described how he wears homemade asbestos earplugs when he's in a darkroom environment--because he's afraid that his coworkers might find him out if they see the light shining out of his brain. (I believe Mads makes a reference to the danger of others "seeing his radiance" or somesuch.) I think the show has done more than any of the other adaptations to convey just how deeply deluded Dolarhyde is, but that bit is missing.

Steve Yun posted:

I am totally on board with sexier, younger Hannibal. I am totally down with the portrayal of Hannibal as evil semi-supernatural genius instead of insane genius. But man, gently caress those abrasive plaid suits.

I think they're great, but in every scene it looks like the suit, shirt, and tie were specifically selected to be worn together. A real person can't build a wardrobe that way.

A Steampunk Gent posted:

Jack really seemed to blow his narrative load in his fight with Hannibal, I don't think he did anything good or interesting past that

I just rewatched this and wanted to point out a couple things.

1. Hannibal got a straight-up one-sided yell down war hell ride from a guy in a sweater vest. That's got to be embarrassing.

2. This was probably said when that episode first aired, but on the off-chance I'm the only one who noticed--there's no way that the musical choice wasn't a bit of a tribute to A Clockwork Orange.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Sep 1, 2015

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 05:12

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

I was actually pretty surprised when it was made clear he wanted to eat her, given that his fascination with her seemed warm and somewhat paternalistic. Perhaps that sounds like an impossibility for Hannibal, but haven't caged tigers been known to cuddle stuffed animals?

I considered the possibility that she reminds him of his sister. At any rate, it's not a coincidence that he bathes her in a copper tub.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 19:39

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Steve Yun posted:

Haha, holy poo poo season 1 is so different.

Everything seems so grounded in reality (relatively speaking).

There is color.

There is light.

There was subtlety.

You could actually see the corners of Hannibal's office

People were concerned about things like the right method of therapy for somebody, or survivor guilt, or the fact that they just kissed a woman

I admit that my wife and I rolled our eyes a bit at the imaginary/dream sequences and similar monkeyshines at the beginning of Season 3. I suppose it was a bit of a declaration that well, nobody is going to start watching the show now, we can do what we want for the fans.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 13:59

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

A silly realism question, I know, but was there ever a reference to Hannibal's source of income? He doesn't seem to see very many patients.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 19:15

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

I've read the series (except Rising) myself, but I just assumed he had made enough money as a psychiatrist to live comfortably. Perhaps he supplemented his income with skulduggery, but Hannthony Hopter lived a relatively quiet life. Whereas Maddibal Lectersen is an ex-doctor and therapist who barely practices, lives affluently well beyond what's required to patronize the opera, and pals around with FBI agents who don't look askance at his lifestyle.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 20:03

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Wiggy Marie posted:

I believe this is correct. The show never mentioned it though, I think it was safe to assume he was just rich as hell. Much like how Will's dogs are merely understood to be taken care of when Will's not around/goes off on random forays. As a dog owner, that waw one thing that always annoyed me. You can't just go haring off whenever you want to, Will! You have like 18 dogs!

I'm sure Hannibal came by and fed them for him.

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In regards to Dolarhyde's crimes, we only actually saw one of two crime scenes, and there were no bodies still present. The show really downplayed his actual, physical crimes and focused more on his manifested crazy, and so it's easy to see it as nothing much when we've seen much worse on display.

Yeah, Corpse Totem Pole Guy and Corpse Hello God, It's Me Margaret Guy notwithstanding, I emphatically do not think the show would have been better if they had devoted less time to illustrating Dolarhyde's delusions and more time establishing him having murdered dozens and dozens of people to put mirrors in their eyes.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 20:37

Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

I can't imagine what I would think of the Dolarhyde arc if I hadn't already read the book and seen both previous adaptations.

It's easy to forget now that Buffalo Bill became the basis for a lot of lousy rip-offs--and some degree of parody, after people got tired of the rash of movies where a serial killer murders people in some ridiculously elaborate way, and then a detective psychoanalyzes ("profiles") the killer based on this ridiculous method. I can't find it, but does anybody else remember that Far Side cartoon where detectives are pondering over a body that's been hung upside-down from the ceiling, dressed in a suit of armor and flippers, with its head in a fishbowl?

H.P. Shivcraft posted:

More specifically, in the dreadful Hannibal Rising, the orphaned Hannibal is raised in France by his uncle Robert and his aunt, Lady Murasaki. The latter teaches him to be a samurai,

I can't get over how stupid this is.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 18:33

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Halloween Jack: Sep 11, 2003; La morte non ha sesso

Apropos of nothing, I'd like to add how much I love the fight scenes in this show. I'm a sucker for a good fight scene that suits the style of the surrounding show/film.

n3wt posted:

What a man! Shame he's soo soo damaged over his parents dying and his little sister being killed to be eaten by starving soldiers that he's developped a violent streak, don't you just want to give him a hug, maybe wubwub will save him?

Yeesh. He turned Hannibal Lecter into Draco Malfoy out of spite.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 21:13

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