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MMM Whatchya Say posted:

This is the Steppe Wolf we've always dreamed of

But when do we get our magic carpet ride?

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Eric the Mauve posted:

Erwin the Magnificent Bastard?

Not "the Inglorious Bastard", 2/10.

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Eric the Mauve posted:

And if no one but him knows the awful truth, he probably doesn't want to bring any accusations against his wife without some kind of caught-in-the-act-by-several-eyewitnesses proof, lest he have to explain to the court how he can be sure he isn't the father.

Yeah, it puts me in mind of David Gemmell's Troy trilogy. In that Hector was castrated by a battle injury and the only person who knows is Priam, who had the surgeon killed to keep it secret. Then Andromache finds this out after getting pregnant from a fling with Helikaon and has to sleep with Priam to cover it up. The net result is her ending up with a child that nobody knows who the real father is except Andromache and the person believed by everyone to be the father knows it isn't his.

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Eric the Mauve posted:

:aaaaa:



I didn't even know if it was possible to kill the son of a bitch.

It probably wasn't before this patch.

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So, is this DLC worth paying full whack for, or should I wait for a sale?

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Another Person posted:

I did a beautiful thing.



All bow down to the Wolf.

And what is it that you did?

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Tomn posted:

So I finally got around to trying Crisis of the Confederation yesterday.

As of when I quit, the Terran Confederation is an unstable, constantly-revolting mess of Neo-Socialists ruled over initially by Terran Federalists before the last democratically-elected President was overthrown in a coup by an obscure Cyberneticist military officer who has reformed the state from a corporate republic into a military republic, presumably one based around the virtues of robots. The most powerful man in the Confederation is myself, Fleet Admiral Tao Luo, who managed to single-handedly promote himself up from Counter-Admiral by pouncing on weak, independent rebel states and turning them into liberated territories run under martial law in highly illegal military campaigns that were nevertheless countenanced by the President since I was retaking Confederate territory, despite the furious protests of the Grand Admiral of Confederate Space Command. The second-most powerful person in the Confederation is the aforementioned Grand Admiral Amita Afolayan, who is in fact the clone daughter of Lorrane Afolayan, the former Grand Admiral, who was herself daughter of Morgan Afolayan, the President of the Confederation during the Crisis who had appointed Lorrane to the post of Grand Admiral after my own father, the first Grand Admiral, kicked the bucket. We loathe each other.

Also, somewhere in all the chaos of the above, Mars somehow managed to slip the leash of the Confederation. The former headquarters of Confederate Space Command is now the personal and independent fiefdom of Lord John of Mars, who I can only imagine is surnamed "Carter."

Mod owns.

You're going to love Stellaris.

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Eric the Mauve posted:

Playing as nomads is a very different way to play, and it's Easy Mode.

Would you mind explaining how to nomad? Because I have no idea. I can't hold territory, I can't raise levies, I can't make money and I can't win wars.

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Bloodly posted:

You use and abuse your Horde-effectively a retinue/merc force all of your own, controlled from the Retinue page. You start with 500 dudes, mostly cavalry. Buy up cheap forces to bulk yourself up(There are initial choices that cost Prestige in both cost and maintenance rather than Gold). Use that to raid and take land(Remember you have things like County Conquest, so there's always SOMETHING to take). Use the Population and thus Manpower you get from taking such land to bulk the horde further. Start with weak tribes. You really don't need levies much, if at all. The hardest part is the start, because you have so little.

Yeah, but I can't buy any forces, Prestige or otherwise, because I don't have the manpower, and I can't conquer any land because everyone around me is on equal terms and attacking anyone gets the rest to jump me. I'm sure it's a great snowball, but it's not possible to get it moving.

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Elias_Maluco posted:

Where and when do you started? Keep in mind that your 100% cavalry horde troops are far superior than regular troops, you can take armies bigger than yours easily.

769. Is that non-viable?

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Elias_Maluco posted:

Totally viable, Ive started on 769 too, and my game was very easy.

I dont know here you are, I choose as a vassal Khan in the Uyghur Kahaganate. At the start, there are all those buddhist counties to the south, you can pretty much conquer one after the other without much trouble. You should be able to take then even with inferior numbers, your troops are a lot superior.

Tried that. Half my "superior" troops got killed in a Pyrrhic victory against an equivalent sized force, then the Buddhists called in allies outnumbering me three to one.

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Esroc posted:

So, I guess there's a possibility that the GoT mod might be dead? Apparently post HL updates broke major systems the mod relies on, but they are systems Vanilla doesn't use the way the mod does so Vanilla is unaffected by the changes. And since Vanilla is unaffected, Paradox has taken a "not our problem" approach. The mod devs allegedly can't just find a new way to implement the broken systems.

Might just be overreacting on the part of mod fans, but things like this have happened before with mods for other games.

Typical, isn't it? Paradox implement a way to play as the Dothraki, the mod promptly goes tits up.

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Fun, fun, fun. Been getting back into the game after time out with a Haesteinn Stomps Ireland game. Took Ulster, gave it to a Godi, then turned Catholic and later got her to convert. She promptly became an Archpriestess and, as my only Bishop-ranked religious personage, my candidate for the College. Which she got into. So, I'm just about 30 years into the game and I already have a female Papal candidate who got there without any kind of shenanigans.

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CrazyLoon posted:

If you were willing to go a bit ahistorical (and make up some stuff about the secret, hidden history of those places and use unconfirmed sources), this could be interesting.

Especially if the Greenland map gets extended just a little bit westward to include Oak Island and an event is made for the Templar Money Pit.

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All I want to do is usurp Andalusia. Why can this goddamn Caliph not ever be at peace? I've been waiting for more than ten loving years and I need to get the kingdom to reduce my vassals to a safe level.

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Why is it impossible to create the Kingdom of Leon?

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Looks like you either don't have the cash or the prestige.

I know, but I didn't get the pop-up icon telling me I could create it if I did either.

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Shnooks posted:

I spent like an hour trying to Usurp a title, except the guy was never at peace, and then I don't know someone died and I couldn't usurp it anymore :( Stop playin' games with me, CK2

Consider yourself lucky. Remember that guy I was waiting to finish all his wars so I could usurp Andalusia? He got to 99% on his last war, I was ready and waiting, then I loving died and my heir was a 2-year old with zero Piety.

Yes, I reloaded. No, I'm not ashamed.

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Congratulations, you had a son. Why are you telling us about it?

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Torrannor posted:

It's the old Charlemagne start. When 1066 was the earliest start date, that guy he's playing was the last member of Charlemagne's dynasty. If I recall correctly, you start married to the daughter or sister of a duke, while you yourself are only a lowly count. Stabbing until your wife inherits was one of the most important acts at the start of your game then. He was just successful in getting his heir to inherit a bunch of duchies, which warrants a screenshot.

Ah, right. He could have made it more obvious, though. The map's in Duchy mode so the realms aren't named, Karlings are everywhere if you start on any date before 1066, and he's showing off his son so it's not readily apparent who he's currently playing.

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Skellybones posted:

I'm not entirely sure how many have actually been given events to make them appear but the total overseas cultures are British, Hawaiian, Brazilian, Singaporean, Yuehai (Cantonese), Edokko (Japanese), Novorusskiy (Russian), Ozlander (Aboriginal Australian), Kinh (Vietnamese), Tagalog (Filipino), and... Nigerian.

A Paradox game mod with real Nigerian Princes. :allears:

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Eric the Mauve posted:

* If you're Catholic, if the pope likes you and hates him the pope might give you a claim on his poo poo. Then you can revoke with no tyranny penalty.

I thought the Pope only gave you claims on people who had more territory than you. How do you get a claim on a vassal?

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CrazyLoon posted:

It might be an option, if war was not imminent. But like how he described it? Way too unreliable I think, especially since the whole insta-murder for hundreds of gold option got removed. Even if you get 100-200% plot power on the Abbasid Caliph (very hard most likely), sometimes the RNG just makes it so that it doesn't trigger for 2 or 3 years. Even if a child takes over by then, I dunno...very dicey.

There's a bug where a plot can fail to pop no matter how much power you have. I had one sitting at something like 700% for five years without a single attempt on the guy. I cancelled it and restarted, and he was dead within two months.

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Eric the Mauve posted:

I'm in Europe so there is no HRE. :getin:

How are you cracking the Karling nut these days? I find them ridiculously stable; no independence revolts and almost no peasant revolts, even under a child emperor.

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Anyone got any advice on how to be Zoroastrian in Tabriz 769?

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Excelzior posted:

Going to assume it's meant in the French sense of the Assemblée des notables - meaning women can be part of your council, even if the land isn't under Absolute Cognatic succession (which would be Full status)

I would assume it was that not unknown for women to hold positions of significance in the court, but it was really noteworthy for some jobs - steward or chancellor, for example - to be held by a woman. So it would be:

Traditional - barefoot and pregnant in ye kitchen. Can't hold any position.
Marginal - can tutor children and that's about it.
Significant - can hold some positions of relevance (Spymaster etc) and honorary titles that don't completely lack power.
Notable - Odds wounds, the Count de Bourgeois allows mere women to govern his finances! Can hold any non-military title.
Full - women can hold any position including Marshal and Commander.

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Groogy posted:

Could potentially add it in but a bit more difficult but I'll see after it. The "you are part of the council" flag on a title supports any title, landed, minor, religious or job. So you can potentially mark every duchy in the HRE as a voter title making them legible to vote on council matters. Can also make the Keeper of the Swans a important role on the council if you so wish. The system was made to be extremely flexible.

I'm foreseeing a game where someone makes their entire council comprise a eunuch, a dwarf and the Jester.

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Nobody Interesting posted:

CK bugs get you a homosexual inbred possessed dwarf lady stomping up and down the middle of Europe with 30000 men, attempting to kill herself and falling in love with the Pope. XCOM bugs kill your favourite marine, Chad, after you've bonded with him for 30 hours.

Er, okay and I guess CK has more CTDs than XCOM probably will...

More STDs as well.

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Deceitful Penguin posted:

there's never a jew around when you need one

New thread title for Conclave?

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LemonAIDS posted:



I don't think Jesus realized my daughter is the Antichrist :v:

Jesus likes a level playing field.

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Darkrenown posted:

Probably going to, I know Doomdark and all the scripty people have it preordered. RIP productivity :xcom:

I just developed an overwhelming yearning to have Paradox make Eye of the Moon.

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Some youtuber called Kailvin is showing early access Conclave.

Except he plays as an Absolute realm so he doesn't show off the Council mechanics at all :lol: Thrill as he gathers a war chest!

How can I get a CB against this guy so I can invade and take his titles?

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MMM Whatchya Say posted:

additional point: can you bang a horse?

Crusader Kings 2: Friendship Is Magic

Note also that magic is the work of the deviI, so we should burn all bronies at the stake.

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Honky Dong Country posted:

I got the same from one of the other patricians in my current Venice game. Didn't really seem out of whack to me though, the guy was vying to be the next doge so I assumed he was using the hell out of carousing to raise his prestige. No traits from it though. Also keep in mind that carousing can result in friendships, so that may also be a goal of the party animal in question.

I went to a carouse with one of my strongest vassals and ended up getting into a fight with him and becoming rivals. This did not stop him inviting me to carouse with him again every six months.

Still, it's nice that the AI is at least now trying to spend time with me, instead of with my wife.

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Infirm no longer seems to be the sooner-than-instant-death sentence it once was. I was mucking around with Offa of Mercia and he became Infirm at age 47. I was praying I'd last out long enough to not need a regency, especially as I'd just switched focus, but he went on to live to 74 before becoming Incapable and another two years after that.

Something odd has come up in that game. I got a claim on Gloucester, but when I tried to press it I was told I had no valid CB.

Things I have noticed:

The reduced opinion swing from the Papal cocksucking mission has made it all but impossible to get a loan, claim or divorce from the Pope.

Alliances seem strong. The King of Denmark came for me and my two Duchies with a prepared invasion force mustering three times my full levies, only to run into half again his own force in allies because I'd got an alliance with the Pictish king and had Sussex and most of Wales as tributaries. Then just to rub it in pretty much everyone in Britain who wasn't already on board volunteered to sign up and suddenly he was outnumbered three to one. This would be a little better if it weren't for the fact that the Pictish king had already dissolved an alliance with me twice in the space of five years - once for not turning up to his war (he called it just as I was wrapping up two wars of my own and my nobles were PO'd) and once for not taking the blame for a dickhead noble. There should really be a malus or outright block on making alliances with someone you think has broken the terms.

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My Offa game continues. Offa himself died after 35 years in which he expanded Mercia by a whole county, so he got to be known as Offa the Old.

His son Ecfrith was much more accomplished; he finished off his father's lingering wars, turned Mercia into a kingdom in its own right and generally kept the treasury overflowing with cash when he wasn't engaged in large scale building works. For this 30 year reign of prosperity and (internal) peace, he became known as Ecfrith the Ill-Ruler.

Offa's grandson Beornthelm was mightier still. During a 40-year reign he brought every duchy of England under the Mercian banner, turned the entire of Wales into tributaries, made deep inroads into Scotland, repelled heathen invaders and was well liked even by his political enemies. Beornthelm the Drunkard died while planning the annexation of Deheubarth that would have allowed him to form a new empire, thanking Christ that a few years before he had passed out before he could rape his ten year old granddaughter. :stonk:

The new ruler, Aelfsige, is a Strong Genius Brilliant Strategist with three Genius kids who has already crushed a major revolt and made further gains in Wales and Scotland with an option on starting the conquest of Ireland. He will almost certainly unify Brittania in his lifetime. I fully expect him to acquire the sobriquet Aelfsige the Complete oval office and die choking to death on his horse's prick while sodomising his youngest son's corpse. It's just the way this game is going.

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The Cheshire Cat posted:

Europe in the 769 start can go one of two ways; either Charlie holds on long enough to form Francia (or the HRE, very rarely), and then it more or less stays a giant blue blob forever, or he kicks the bucket early, the whole continent splits up into three kingdoms, which themselves fall into chaos, and everything goes to hell like in the east. In my current game it was the latter - in fact he died off so early that Carloman actually ended up as king of West Francia for a while because Karl died before the event fired that kills Carloman off.

I don't think it's possible to form the HRE any more. One of the Francias or Germany will infest the continent, gain massive infamy as a result and be stomped by a Coalition of Everyone. And players can't do it because the reputation changes make it basically impossible to reach 100 with the Pope.

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The Cheshire Cat posted:

Apparently they're going to address the huge infamy from the Charlemagne events in the next patch, but the Pope requirement will probably always be an issue for the AI now.

The AI doesn't have the Papal relations requirement.

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I broke my string of badly renowned kings, finally. The second Aelfsige (I forgot Aelfsige the Lewd, probably because he was fairly unremarkable) actually got a moniker worthy of him - although calling a warrior king who spent most of his reign stomping on everyone in Britain "the Wise" is a bit odd.

I also set a new personal record for ruler age. I managed to create the custom Empire of Mercia after acquiring the crown of Wales aged 71 then hurriedly waging tributary Wars on most of Ireland to get the remaining 1800 prestige. I thought I was screwed when it formed as Gavelkind and my dog died while the heir I wanted was behind his inferior older brother, but ended up living long enough to change the inheritance laws and to revoke all the powers my council had screwed out of past rulers. I finished off going full Enrico Dandolo, leading troops in battle aged 91 (and still with 26 Martial) before passing away quietly the next year. It was a ride.

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My daughter gave birth before her 17th birthday despite being a nun. No father known. That Christ bloke gets around.

Does anyone know of a reason why I wouldn't be able to declare a tributary war on a noble with a single county or duchy? It's happened to me twice in Ireland.

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