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empty baggie posted:I had that same idea. Like later on in the series, another person shows up that ends up being a vision of his dad in his head, but because he's forgotten what he looks like, the audience is presented a completely different person to reflect what's in eliots head. Haha, I honestly hope they do this. If they could pull it off, it'd be some next level  -ery.
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LabyaMynora posted:Elliot is Tyrell, but doesn't work for E-Corp. Tyrell is just Elliiot's imagination of what kind of person works at E-Corp - a murderous psychopath. All the Tyrell scenes without Elliot are just what Elliot imagines Tyrell's life is like and to give the Tyrell personality motivation. Tyrell is real, you weirdos. You honestly think that Tyrell, his wife, his baby, his boss, the new CTO, the CTO's strangled wife, and the police investigating the murder are all in Elliot's head? And Elliot's boss who met Tyrell at his EvilCorp office is also in his head? And the rest of FSociety is in his head too? Because they all reacted to the news that Elliot knew Tyrell. So, in your mind almost every character in the show is in Elliot's head? Mr. Robot being in Elliot's head was teased from the beginning of the show and all of those interactions happened, just with Elliot acting as Mr. Robot. Also, it served as character development, showing how damaged and delusional Elliot is, while also giving insight into his pain and guilt over his dad's death. In contrast, Tyrell being fake hasn't really been teased at all, would mean that a ton of time was spent on scenes that didn't happen at all, and wouldn't really add anything to character development. So, no.
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Look, when TVIV latches onto a ridiculous theory like some kind of desperate lamprey, you just gotta ride that wave until it washes out.
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Aug 23, 2015 03:55
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BrianWilly posted:Look, when TVIV latches onto a ridiculous theory like some kind of desperate lamprey, you just gotta ride that wave until it washes out. See also: The Rick and Morty thread.
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Aug 23, 2015 04:05
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Seriously, the way Tyrell just magically shows up as soon as Darlene goes to the pharmacist, followed by the way they talk to each other at the fun house, it doesn't make sense unless they're the same person. It's also the only way Mr. Robot and Tyrell meeting in the car outside makes sense. I'm pretty sure Terry Colby never directly interacted with Tyrell. He was always just a part of the entourage. The new CTO is just part of Elliot's elaborate delusion, as is the strangled wife. Tyrell's Lady MacBeth wife and baby is just there to give the Tyrell personality motivation to go along with Elliot's hack with the intention of swooping in to save E Corp and regain his glory. Elliot's about to pull off the greatest hack in history just to turn around and save E Corp - how is F-Society going to react to that? How are the Chinese hackers going to react to that? Either that, or Tyrell is real and Elliot is his delusion. 
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LabyaMynora posted:Seriously, the way Tyrell just magically shows up as soon as Darlene goes to the pharmacist, followed by the way they talk to each other at the fun house, it doesn't make sense unless they're the same person. It's also the only way Mr. Robot and Tyrell meeting in the car outside makes sense. I'm hoping you are right for no other reason than to be able to say "told ya so" to all those in this thread that profess to know all.
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LabyaMynora posted:Seriously, the way Tyrell just magically shows up as soon as Darlene goes to the pharmacist, followed by the way they talk to each other at the fun house, it doesn't make sense unless they're the same person. It's also the only way Mr. Robot and Tyrell meeting in the car outside makes sense. He doesn't magically show up. He specifically says he waited until Darlene left. Also, he knows where Elliot lives because his goons dropped him off in the limo. Their interactions make plenty of sense. This is the order of events: Tyrell meets Elliot at work and is interested in him. Later, at the meeting involving the hack, he sees Elliot switch folders, which he finds suspicious and this folder leads to Colby's arrest. Based on this suspicion, he looks into Elliot and finds out about his dad and the EvilCorp connection and figures out that Elliot probably framed Colby. Later he runs into Elliot at Steel Mountain and tells him this, while also saying he has no proof, because he doesn't. He also doesn't care because it benefits him. Later, he has the conversation with Elliot's boss about the honeypot and realizes there's more going on. He looks up the servers and sees something in the code. I'm a little foggy on what exactly he saw, but he realized there was more to Elliot's plan than simple revenge. Based on this, he confronts Elliot in the car and as a last bit of desperation, threatens to reveal that Elliot framed Colby. Elliot, as Mr. Robot laughs him off and so Tyrell goes home to his wife properly freaked out. Then, after getting fired, he now doesn't care about EvilCorp and either wants revenge or thinks he can use this to his advantage. He then more or less threatens Elliot to get him to reveal the whole plan, because he only has a very limited idea of it. Elliot reveals the plan at the arcade. That's it. And I didn't mean his boss Terry Colby. I meant the higher up boss who fires him.
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Overdrift posted:If anyone is interested, here is the Pixies cover from last night's episode. My heart skipped a bit when the first chord rang out. I loving love this rendition so much I nearly backflipped out of my chair when it was used. Really fitting, too. Looking forward to the finally - this show is just good as hell.
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Aug 23, 2015 04:30
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Overdrift posted:If anyone is interested, here is the Pixies cover from last night's episode. Aaaannnd I just spent the last hour listening to "Where is my mind?" covers.
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Aug 23, 2015 05:33
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we're actually all figments of christian slater's imagination. how else do you explain a show with christian slater that hasn't gotten canceled???
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Waynebo posted:we're actually all figments of christian slater's imagination. how else do you explain a show with christian slater that hasn't gotten canceled??? Archer has Slater as a recurring character, and has not yet been canceled. Unless...Slater in Archer is actually Rami Malek??
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The thing about Tyrell that's so loving weird is that we start off thinking he's this personally highly motivated Patrick Bateman, but at this point he might as well be just any other hacker dude except for the fact that he's being controlled by his wife. Like, in the beginning of the series you think when they talk about a plan you think she's being the supportive wife reminding him he can do this and what his goals are. Now? These are her goals for him. And also Tyrell putting gloves on scared the poo poo out of me. Is that why Elliott was so eager to tell him mostly the truth?
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:Archer has Slater as a recurring character, and has not yet been canceled. Archer has been moved off FX to the equivalent of ESPN 'The Ocho.' It likely is in its last season. I blame Slater, he's like Ted McGinley.
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Doctor Butts posted:And also Tyrell putting gloves on scared the poo poo out of me. Is that why Elliott was so eager to tell him mostly the truth? I think that in the psychological state Elliot was in, he was in a sort of "gently caress everything" mindset. Here you go, weird-rear end murderer - this is everything. What are you going to do to me that I haven't already done to myself?
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I think Elliot originally took Tyrell to the arcade just to save himself from being strangled or beaten to death, but that meaningful look he gave the popcorn machine heralds the emergence of Mr. Robot to take care of business. We won't find out about it until the end of the episode next week-- Tyrell will just be gone and Elliot won't remember what happened to him until he gets a flashback of shooting him and hiding the body. I think Elliot fully giving into Mr. Robot and committing at least one murder in the name of revolution would be a pretty great place to end the season. Sort of the anti-Durden ending-- instead of killing his alternate self, Elliot embraces him as a necessary evil.
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Tyrell is the product of Elliot's domineering mother. That's why his imaginary wife is so cold and controlling. Elliot can only base his delusions off past experiences.
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I can't see a way that Tyrell is not real, if we're going to talk about this can someone please help me understand :-)
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SpaceAceJase posted:Those Nintendos wouldn't be yellowed in 1994. And what's with the picture of Mr. Robot with the PS2 controller in the foreground? There's gotta be some kind of significance to that, right?!  (Probably not, but I want to believe)
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That episode was amazing. All hell is breaking loose at Allsafe and we see this when Gideon is looking through his Sent emails.
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dhrusis posted:I can't see a way that Tyrell is not real, if we're going to talk about this can someone please help me understand :-) It only works if literally every Wellick interaction is hallucinated by Elliott. This is a theory that should be put out to pasture, I think.
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hey guys I think Bill isn't real because Elliot talked to Bill.
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Elliott isn't real, and neither are any of the characters he interacts with or his effects on the world. Discarding the unreliable narrator, this show is really about the daily goings-on of a large corporation and the small one they contract to handle security.
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:hey guys I think Bill isn't real because Elliot talked to Bill. Poor Bill 
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Doctor Butts posted:The thing about Tyrell that's so loving weird is that we start off thinking he's this personally highly motivated Patrick Bateman, but at this point he might as well be just any other hacker dude except for the fact that he's being controlled by his wife. I find it interesting that they are using a trope that is normally reserved for politician characters. At first we are led to believe that he is a powerful character but then we come to find out he is a trophy husband who has achieved what he has because he knows if he doesn't he will lose whatever semblance of a normal life he thinks he has. You see this quite a bit when he cautions taking a step back and rethinking the situation but she continues to push him forward with threats. I think the thing to take away from their story is that Tyrell isn't so much a sociopath as he is a submissive partner to his wife. His interaction with the current CFO and him being completely blown out of the water verbally during their confrontation in his office shows his true nature, that of a disobeying dog not knowing what to do without the guidance of his master's hand. When he is at home, it's her rules. His career is guided by her hand and we see him break away from this by paying homeless people to let him beat them up. It's his way of having some form of control over a part of his life. They really stepped out of the box with that trope because when it's normally used the husband normally butts heads with the wife over control of the relationship and where both of their lives are going, in this case Tyrell is more than willing to give up control and follow his wife's plans.
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BrianWilly posted:Look, when TVIV latches onto a ridiculous theory like some kind of desperate lamprey, you just gotta ride that wave until it washes out. Some threads never recover: 
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smg77 posted:Some threads never recover: Uh, what?
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Xoidanor posted:Uh, what? A kid in True Detective had some issues. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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Xoidanor posted:Uh, what? True Detective season one derail that destroyed the thread.
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Xoidanor posted:Uh, what? That was a scene that caused a lot of stupid discussion in True Detective season 1. There were claims that since one of the main character's daughters did that she was being abused as part of a secret pedophile ring.
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Binary Logic posted:That episode was amazing. All hell is breaking loose at Allsafe and we see this when Gideon is looking through his Sent emails. Can you buy more paper towels.
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violetdragon posted:Can you buy more paper towels. This drives me crazy with work emails. If you're asking a question then use a question mark! Anyway, finally caught up today after getting derailed around episode 5 and this show has been amazing. I was still on the fence regarding Ghost Dad's physical existence after the Romero and Tyrell-in-SUV conversations, but the reveal was still so good. I don't watch much TV and gave up on Breaking Bad after the first season because it didn't really grip me, but this show has its hooks in me no doubt. Rami Malek is absolutely killing it and I love every second of his delusions.
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Yeah, I'd never even heard of Rami Malek before watching this show but I'm a huge fan of his now and would probably watch anything he does in the future just based on how good he's been in this. Dude has more of a range in bug-eyes alone than a lot of other tv actors' whole repertoire
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Where exactly is the Pixies cover in episode 8? I rewatched the last scenes and it wasn't there.
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Lampsacus posted:Where exactly is the Pixies cover in episode 8? I rewatched the last scenes and it wasn't there.
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Sober posted:It's all instrumental in the very last scene.
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Lampsacus posted:Where exactly is the Pixies cover in episode 8? I rewatched the last scenes and it wasn't there.
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Waynebo posted:we're actually all figments of christian slater's imagination. how else do you explain a show with christian slater that hasn't gotten canceled??? the first season hasn't finished yet so theres still time
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DaveKap posted:Um.... episode 9. And it's a piano.
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